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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by ramireja on May 21, 2021 11:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 21, 2021 12:41:17 GMT -5
From Keith Law's chat today: I wonder if that means they'd prefer college over any high school - as in they'd take any of those three over both Mayer and Lawlar - or if it just means they'd take any of those three over any of the HS guys that aren't universally regarded as top-4 picks. Yeah, I was thinking there are two ways to read into this: either he thinks Lawlar and Mayer are off the board at #4 and that Boston will go college (seems very likely if that's the case), or that they'd prefer Lawlar and Mayer to be off the board and that one of the top two college players will be there.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 21, 2021 14:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on May 21, 2021 15:29:24 GMT -5
Sounds like a possible 2nd/3rd rounder?
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Post by ramireja on May 21, 2021 15:33:56 GMT -5
Sounds like a possible 2nd/3rd rounder? No, he's more a Day 3 type, unless they were enamored with him in which case a Round 5-10 pick at best. This is a guy with 95 collegiate at-bats and a .649 OPS over those appearances. He's truly a 'sleeper' not a 2nd our 3rd rounder which is typically an industry top 100 guy.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 21, 2021 17:09:23 GMT -5
Sounds like a possible 2nd/3rd rounder? No, he's more a Day 3 type, unless they were enamored with him in which case a Round 5-10 pick at best. This is a guy with 95 collegiate at-bats and a .649 OPS over those appearances. He's truly a 'sleeper' not a 2nd our 3rd rounder which is typically an industry top 100 guy. Definitely appreciate the info. That makes sense when you lay it out like that for sure.
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Post by tyler3 on May 21, 2021 17:22:11 GMT -5
Prospectslive guys have him like right around 40…I like him as well.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 21, 2021 22:14:53 GMT -5
Jack Leiter
6 IP, 3H, 2ER, 2 BB, 8Ks
He gave up a HR. He has given up quite a bit of HRs.
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Post by radiohix on May 22, 2021 13:05:29 GMT -5
I'm totally OK with the idea of cutting an under slot deal* with Sal Frelick and spreading the wealth later. Kid's makeup is off the charts (I see a lot of Pedroia/Bregman in him) and he's a damn good baseball player too.
*I'm assuming Mayer won't be available when we pick
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Post by kingstephanos on May 22, 2021 16:08:33 GMT -5
I'm totally OK with the idea of cutting an under slot deal* with Sal Frelick and spreading the wealth later. Kid's makeup is off the charts (I see a lot of Pedroia/Bregman in him) and he's a damn good baseball player too. *I'm assuming Mayer won't be available when we pick I get the logic behind this thinking. I just feel it's too far afield from getting the best player available at that spot in the draft. A top 5 pick could be a perennial all-star (or possibly a generational talent). And with the funds that Boston has at its disposal, there's less need to play the monetary minutiae game with draft picks as they can re-sign homegrown superstar talent (sorry Mookie fans) unlike the Milwaukees and Clevelands of the world. Going chalk with what the talent evaluators think is the best player at #4 would be the most prudent process - even though it is a crap shoot at the end of the day.
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Post by tyler3 on May 22, 2021 16:45:58 GMT -5
Another mock. House to Sox again on this one. This guy’s always a good read though in full disclosure, he thinks Revenge of the Sith is the best of the Star Wars franchise so be warned.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 22, 2021 17:21:54 GMT -5
Another mock. House to Sox again on this one. This guy’s always a good read though in full disclosure, he thinks Revenge of the Sith is the best of the Star Wars franchise so be warned. Revenge of the sith best star wars movie that's inexcusable!
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Post by tyler3 on May 22, 2021 18:07:52 GMT -5
It’s best not to get into it with him.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 22, 2021 21:37:15 GMT -5
Interesting that’s second mock having house to Red Sox. AND they mention being in on high school position players potentially also. ( as compared to the statement by another that they would probably go college). Another interesting point- sounds like rockers ask for $$$ might be excessively high, which if true well we shall see where he lands.
Also interesting to hear tigers were in on position players, but then mocked to take pitcher.
Here is where the draft rumors from some will have a lot more material to them that might be able to make some level of predictions on.
Still no serious Red Sox rumors though. I’m guessing bloom is going to run a pretty air tight ship! Which I believe is a good thing
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 23, 2021 12:00:42 GMT -5
I think he has worked himself back into first round consideration but not top 10. College hitters with his track record of swing and miss are hard to take, I know he has made adjustments but picking that high its way too risky even with a discount. Yup. I'm definitely coming around on him now that he's put in a good little run here. I think the early swing and miss will still scare teams off, especially in the top 10, but wouldn't really be shocked if a team in the middle of the 1st wants to chase the upside. I really doubt he'll be around in the second round. To follow up on Fabian, looks like he's back to his old ways. Against Arkansas this weekend: 1-11 with 9 Ks. What a weird year for college hitters.
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Post by stevedillard on May 23, 2021 12:15:22 GMT -5
Beware of Bryce Cox magic -- "he had a mechanical issue we fixed and he's great now."
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 24, 2021 8:17:35 GMT -5
New BA mock: 1. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Dallas Jesuit HS - mostly in on HS shortstops at this point 2. Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake HS - Lawlar's floor, Lawlar and Mayer aren't getting out of the top three 3. Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow HS - more in on hitters than pitchers 4. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt 5. Henry Davis, C, Louisville 6. Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest HS 7. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt 8. Sal Frelick, OF Boston College 9. Matt McLain, SS, UCLA 10. Ty Madden, RHP, Texas www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/mlb-mock-draft/
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Post by voiceofreason on May 24, 2021 8:45:55 GMT -5
I'll take Davis if he is there and Mayer and Lawler are gone. Just seems like the safest bet in the whole draft and also comes with a high ceiling. Isn't having a really good all around catcher a hard thing to find? Seems so to me as there isn't many of them. The combination of his pitch recognition, plate discipline and power adds up to a high OPS guy behind the plate. And the timing with C Vazquez is inline. Safe with plenty of upside to me.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2021 9:38:45 GMT -5
New BA mock: 1. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Dallas Jesuit HS - mostly in on HS shortstops at this point 2. Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake HS - Lawlar's floor, Lawlar and Mayer aren't getting out of the top three3. Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow HS - more in on hitters than pitchers 4. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt 5. Henry Davis, C, Louisville 6. Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest HS 7. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt 8. Sal Frelick, OF Boston College 9. Matt McLain, SS, UCLA 10. Ty Madden, RHP, Texas www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/mlb-mock-draft/Bolded and underlined the most useful tidbit in the new BA mock. Sounds about right, honestly. That the Red Sox are "interested in" the six guys they should be interested in is to be expected.
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Post by jimoh on May 24, 2021 9:48:30 GMT -5
Sobering thought: Alex Bohm, who was poor on offense and defense for the Phillies over the weekend, was the #3 pick in 2018. He moved through the system fast and had a fine 2020, but has struggled this year. My Phillies friend says he lets his struggles on offense affect his defense, and his struggles of offense affect his defense. Might have to move off third. Still a valuable guy for now. Maybe we can trade Workman and a UTIL for him later in the year?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2021 9:53:50 GMT -5
Sobering thought: Alex Bohm, who was poor on offense and defense for the Phillies over the weekend, was the #3 pick in 2018. He moved through the system fast and had a fine 2020, but has struggled this year. My Phillies friend says he lets his struggles on offense affect his defense, and his struggles of offense affect his defense. Might have to move off third. Still a valuable guy for now. Maybe we can trade Workman and a UTIL for him later in the year? He was never supposed to be good on defense, so this isn't really surprising. I recall talking to a scout about him when he was still in AA and he thought there was no way he'd stick at 3B.
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Post by incandenza on May 24, 2021 10:10:23 GMT -5
Feels like the top of the draft is getting less sorted as time goes on. Insofar as that's because a couple guys (Davis, House) have pushed into the top tier, rather than the top guys falling back, that seems good for the Red Sox.
Does it seem like there's less of a gap than usual between the 1st and 4th picks?
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Post by marrcus on May 24, 2021 10:51:39 GMT -5
Does either Vandy P go top-5. Right now it doesn't look like it. So do the RS get a crack at a SS they really want? Probably not. So they have a shot at House and more likely Davis.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2021 10:59:29 GMT -5
Feels like the top of the draft is getting less sorted as time goes on. Insofar as that's because a couple guys (Davis, House) have pushed into the top tier, rather than the top guys falling back, that seems good for the Red Sox. Does it seem like there's less of a gap than usual between the 1st and 4th picks?
I think in the sense that there's no clear top guy. For example, the 2019 draft was way better at the top (Ruschmann, Witt, Vaughn, Bleday, Riley Greene, Abrams), but also had a relatively clear 1-1 guy in Ruschmann. I don't think anyone in this year's draft enters the top 20 immediately the way he did. That's why I think you see a lot of shuffling still. A lot of that is probably due to a relatively weak college hitter class. Consider also that everything is pushed back a month this year, so we're not as close to the draft yet as typical. That could also be playing into the shuffling.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 24, 2021 11:18:41 GMT -5
New BA mock: 1. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Dallas Jesuit HS - mostly in on HS shortstops at this point 2. Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake HS - Lawlar's floor, Lawlar and Mayer aren't getting out of the top three 3. Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow HS - more in on hitters than pitchers 4. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt 5. Henry Davis, C, Louisville 6. Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest HS 7. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt 8. Sal Frelick, OF Boston College 9. Matt McLain, SS, UCLA 10. Ty Madden, RHP, Texas www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/mlb-mock-draft/2 notes... 1). This would not shock me one bit to see it fall this way 2). Sometimes. Sometimes sometimes when new strangers put out some gossip that’s heard. Sometimes it actually is true and not just blowing smoke. ( Ie note on tigers pick). I don’t care who it is ... it should be ok to talk without getting jumped on as we all enjoy baseball and prospects and you never know when interesting facts will come out
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