SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
7/24-7/26 Red Sox vs. Orioles Series Thread
TearsIn04
Veteran
Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
Posts: 2,810
|
Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 26, 2020 20:33:09 GMT -5
Since this is a day to express dark thoughts about the future, I'll note that Sale's 2018 health concerns were related to his shoulder. His TJ recovery, even if it goes perfectly, won't fix that.
We don't know yet what the longterm effects of covid-19 are on the respiratory system and heart. E-Rod is a young dude who had the virus and couldn't make it through a BP. That's not encouraging. E-Rod will have to show some durability before it makes sense for the RS to invest in a longterm contract for him this coming off-season.
CB has to bring some young P into this organization or things could be pretty grim for a few years.
|
|
|
Post by dirtdog on Jul 26, 2020 20:51:14 GMT -5
Interesting avatar choice. You haven’t forgiven them yet? That was a little bit before my time but it doesn't take away from what he did in a Red Sox uni. Yep. The Babe is still one of my all time favorite Red Sox players (not his fault Frazee sold him down the river). His pitching numbers are still amongst the best of any to ever wear the Sox uni. 89 wins in 6 years regular season, 3 and 0 in the WS with a .97 ERA and 3 rings by the age of 24. Mind boggling really.
|
|
|
Post by wildsox on Jul 26, 2020 20:54:39 GMT -5
Just watching Chacin pitch for the Braves. Why didn’t we bring him back?
|
|
|
Post by dirtdog on Jul 26, 2020 20:56:14 GMT -5
I would have preferred Sale get the TJ surgery last season but it sure doesnt look like he is gonna miss much over the next couple months.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2020 21:51:24 GMT -5
I like Jackie, but you have a center fielder of his caliber in Pillar. I'd trade Bradley and keep Pillar long term. That said, I'd also re-sign Bradley for Pillar type money and keep them both. I honestly don’t get the Pillar love around here. Dude has never had a OPS+ in triple digits. JBJ is a year younger, is less consistent offensively but overall a tick better, and remains a brilliant OFer. I get that JBJ is going to expect to get paid, but Pillar is a free agent, too. If I am choosing between them, I take JBJ. But as I’ve said before, an outfield featuring both is a pretty brutal offensive outfield. JBJ and Pillar work best as a platoon. Somebody else mentioned having Pillar long-term. No thanks. He's quite mediocre. Both are short-timers around here anyways. I suspect the CF before too long will be Duran. If he looks he can't be a long-term solution, perhaps they bring in Springer. Either way I don't anticipate Pillar or JBJ in 2021. If I were a betting man, which I'm not, I think the CF before long will be Duran.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2020 21:56:59 GMT -5
Well, I said the Red Sox basically beat up on the Bad News Bears on Opening Day. So...if they did that, that means they lost two out of three to the Bad News Bears?
Yeesh...this team could be worse than the Orioles. I don't think that's the case, but man is this pitching staff bad.
And the offense is merely only adequate. I don't think good offensive teams lead off with hackers like Peraza or feature Pillar in the middle of the order. And the bullpen is only adequate as well. The point is neither are good enough to offset this nightmarish starting rotation which will put the Red Sox in a hole just about every game.
I don't think expanded playoffs will matter much to the 2020 Red Sox. I think they could lose 35 or more games this season. I thought they might be around the margins of the final playoff spot, but I'm not so sure about that.
If the Sox do get any good surprise pitchers this season, I'll guess it's Hall and Gonsalves, but who knows? What a mess.
So sad how quickly the greatest Red Sox team of all time disintegrated. Still, having baseball beats having no baseball. I just hope that if the Sox are as bad as they look, they can pick high in the draft. Don't know if they're keeping the same order as this year's draft or if maybe they combine the 2019 - 2020 records or if they go just off the 2020 season record. Hope it's the last option.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2020 22:29:31 GMT -5
I believe that it's too late to change the draft order. I know that there was a last minute rush to change the playoff format because they had to do it before the season started. I can't see how this would be different than that.
We are about to have the next 16 of 19 games against teams noticeably better than ours. Mets (we won't see Porcello), Yankees, Rays and Phillies. The Sox could easily be the first team to bail out. LOL, 1-1 would be perfect.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 26, 2020 23:10:51 GMT -5
Further reported that Osich is an opener for Godley (i.e., will throw one-ish inning), whereas Hall is more of a bullpen day/piggyback situation in which they're hoping to get something like 4 or 5 from him. I presume Springs will follow and they'll hope to get one starter's length from the two.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 26, 2020 23:13:10 GMT -5
I believe that it's too late to change the draft order. I know that there was a last minute rush to change the playoff format because they had to do it before the season started. I can't see how this would be different than that. Don't agree. If the season gets called after, say, three weeks, it'd be completely reasonable for MLB to say it doesn't make sense to base draft order on that kind of sample size. If they get through the trade deadline, then yeah, definitely use standings order, but I don't think anyone can reasonably argue "we purposefully sucked and now we're getting screwed out of our reward!" It's always been kind of an open secret, but one never acknowledged, when a team is tanking.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2020 23:25:02 GMT -5
I believe that it's too late to change the draft order. I know that there was a last minute rush to change the playoff format because they had to do it before the season started. I can't see how this would be different than that. Don't agree. If the season gets called after, say, three weeks, it'd be completely reasonable for MLB to say it doesn't make sense to base draft order on that kind of sample size. If they get through the trade deadline, then yeah, definitely use standings order, but I don't think anyone can reasonably argue "we purposefully sucked and now we're getting screwed out of our reward!" It's always been kind of an open secret, but one never acknowledged, when a team is tanking. In general, I am usually referring to a completed season and the 19 game stretch I mentioned ends 12 days before the trade deadline.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2020 23:35:37 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats · 42m Sox GM Brian O'Halloran was on @wbz sports final tonight. Says even with 60 games you don't want to overact, but knows one losing streak could submarine your chances. Team open to any claims or trades. Team may use creative approaches for starting games.
|
|
|
Post by dirtdog on Jul 26, 2020 23:44:49 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats · 42m Sox GM Brian O'Halloran was on @wbz sports final tonight. Says even with 60 games you don't want to overact, but knows one losing streak could submarine your chances. Team open to any claims or trades. Team may use creative approaches for starting games. Yep, its as bad as it looks. Cant fault O'Halloran for his eye sight.
|
|
|
Post by wildsox on Jul 27, 2020 0:25:55 GMT -5
I really hope they re-visit the Padres rumoured deal. If it means taking on Myers to land Luchessi/Quantrill I’m all for it. We can’t have 3 of 5 of our rotation pieces being Weber/TBD. Even Remy and Eck said on the broadcast they’ve never seen 2 TBD’s in the first 5 games of the season before
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2020 4:30:18 GMT -5
I really hope they re-visit the Padres rumoured deal. If it means taking on Myers to land Luchessi/Quantrill I’m all for it. We can’t have 3 of 5 of our rotation pieces being Weber/TBD. Even Remy and Eck said on the broadcast they’ve never seen 2 TBD’s in the first 5 games of the season before I don't see the logic of a rebuilding team taking on an albatross contract for a player who is averaging 1 fWAR over the past 3 years. He's signed through 2022 so it's almost 3 years. A Quantrill is not worth that.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2020 7:56:54 GMT -5
I really hope they re-visit the Padres rumoured deal. If it means taking on Myers to land Luchessi/Quantrill I’m all for it. We can’t have 3 of 5 of our rotation pieces being Weber/TBD. Even Remy and Eck said on the broadcast they’ve never seen 2 TBD’s in the first 5 games of the season before Me, too, but it was the Padres who scuttled it, not the Red Sox. It would have been probably too much talent to lose just to squeeze out of a contract, but who knows? Maybe they'll revisit it now given what's gone on since. I believe had they taken on Myers, they would have gotten Quantrill and the catching prospect Campusano, who I think would have been a helluva prize to get, especially considering the lack of potential full-time major league catching in the system. At this point Myers wouldn't be that much of an albatross. We're talking this year which is a lost year most likely, next year, and the odds are there is no 2022 season so by time baseball re-emerges they'd be freed of that contract, but still have the talent.
|
|
TearsIn04
Veteran
Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
Posts: 2,810
|
Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 27, 2020 9:34:11 GMT -5
My recollection is that the discussions were about the RS paying some, but not all, of the remaining Myers money. If those press reports were accurate, it would mean there's still room to negotiate. The RS can just offer to pay more.
Myers might be a bounce-back candidate and it's precisely the kind of deal the RS should be looking to make at a time when many small market teams face an economic crisis.
Other than stockpiling top 100 prospects, I don't see how they turn this ship around by 2022, maybe even 2023. The payroll constraints are just too great. Sale, Price and Pedroia = $54M in AAV next year. And after next season, only Pedroia comes off. It's ugly.
|
|
|
Post by fenwaydouble on Jul 27, 2020 9:49:05 GMT -5
My recollection is that the discussions were about the RS paying some, but not all, of the remaining Myers money. If those press reports were accurate, it would mean there's still room to negotiate. The RS can just offer to pay more. Myers might be a bounce-back candidate and it's precisely the kind of deal the RS should be looking to make at a time when many small market teams face an economic crisis. Other than stockpiling top 100 prospects, I don't see how they turn this ship around by 2022, maybe even 2023. The payroll constraints are just too great. Sale, Price and Pedroia = $54M in AAV next year. And after next season, only Pedroia comes off. It's ugly. Well, the hope is that Sale is good again by then. That's obviously a huge what-if, but if it pans out then the 2022 payroll doesn't look nearly so bleak.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2020 11:16:25 GMT -5
My recollection is that the discussions were about the RS paying some, but not all, of the remaining Myers money. If those press reports were accurate, it would mean there's still room to negotiate. The RS can just offer to pay more. Myers might be a bounce-back candidate and it's precisely the kind of deal the RS should be looking to make at a time when many small market teams face an economic crisis. Other than stockpiling top 100 prospects, I don't see how they turn this ship around by 2022, maybe even 2023. The payroll constraints are just too great. Sale, Price and Pedroia = $54M in AAV next year. And after next season, only Pedroia comes off. It's ugly. Well, the hope is that Sale is good again by then. That's obviously a huge what-if, but if it pans out then the 2022 payroll doesn't look nearly so bleak. That's if they even play then. We saw how screwed up it was just to get the season to start. The players and owners couldn't agree on anything and Manfred had to unilaterally impose the season. The owners will be talking about diminished revenue and the players aren't going to want to take less. I have trouble seeing how the 2022 season doesn't get wiped out and I can see it spilling into 2023. I'm not 100% sure they get through this season and next season could have its issues as well. Honestly we might not see baseball the way we're used to seeing it until perhaps 2024. By then the Sox payroll should be in great shape but who knows what the Red Sox or baseball look like by then?
|
|
|
Post by bluechip on Jul 27, 2020 12:33:07 GMT -5
I believe that it's too late to change the draft order. I know that there was a last minute rush to change the playoff format because they had to do it before the season started. I can't see how this would be different than that. Don't agree. If the season gets called after, say, three weeks, it'd be completely reasonable for MLB to say it doesn't make sense to base draft order on that kind of sample size. If they get through the trade deadline, then yeah, definitely use standings order, but I don't think anyone can reasonably argue "we purposefully sucked and now we're getting screwed out of our reward!" It's always been kind of an open secret, but one never acknowledged, when a team is tanking. How about three games? If this season were stopped now, one must assume they’d just do a lottery, or something, right?
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2020 12:38:29 GMT -5
I really hope they re-visit the Padres rumoured deal. If it means taking on Myers to land Luchessi/Quantrill I’m all for it. We can’t have 3 of 5 of our rotation pieces being Weber/TBD. Even Remy and Eck said on the broadcast they’ve never seen 2 TBD’s in the first 5 games of the season before I don't see the logic of a rebuilding team taking on an albatross contract for a player who is averaging 1 fWAR over the past 3 years. He's signed through 2022 so it's almost 3 years. A Quantrill is not worth that. Considering what was talked about before, how you can easily get his AAV below 10 million it certainly can make sense if you believe in Quantrill. If you feel he's even a 1-2 bwar pitcher it makes sense and it's likely not just him. Yet six years of control on a guy that had a really good stretch last year. The money is nothing to a team that paid Castillo and Craig for years to play in the minors. Frankly shouldn't that be what they do? Take on bad contracts to get prospects. The key being the Padres paying just enough to lower his AAV.
|
|
TearsIn04
Veteran
Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
Posts: 2,810
|
Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 27, 2020 12:50:27 GMT -5
I don't see the logic of a rebuilding team taking on an albatross contract for a player who is averaging 1 fWAR over the past 3 years. He's signed through 2022 so it's almost 3 years. A Quantrill is not worth that. Considering what was talked about before, how you can easily get his AAV below 10 million it certainly can make sense if you believe in Quantrill. If you feel he's even a 1-2 bwar pitcher it makes sense and it's likely not just him. Yet six years of control on a guy that had a really good stretch last year. The money is nothing to a team that paid Castillo and Craig for years to play in the minors. Frankly shouldn't that be what they do? Take on bad contracts to get prospects. The key being the Padres paying just enough to lower his AAV. Correct, based on the media reporting the RS had room to increase the amount they'd pay without taking on a big luxury tax threshhold hit. I'd pay the whole thing if it maximizes the prospect return. I'd love to snag the young C, the Pads' CB pick, and whatever else we can grab. During an economic downturn, bloodless, wealthy speculators come in like vultures and buy properties, business units and companies the impoverished owners can't afford to keep. The RS need to be sharks like that.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2020 12:53:47 GMT -5
I don't see the logic of a rebuilding team taking on an albatross contract for a player who is averaging 1 fWAR over the past 3 years. He's signed through 2022 so it's almost 3 years. A Quantrill is not worth that. Considering what was talked about before, how you can easily get his AAV below 10 million it certainly can make sense if you believe in Quantrill. If you feel he's even a 1-2 bwar pitcher it makes sense and it's likely not just him. Yet six years of control on a guy that had a really good stretch last year. The money is nothing to a team that paid Castillo and Craig for years to play in the minors. Frankly shouldn't that be what they do? Take on bad contracts to get prospects. The key being the Padres paying just enough to lower his AAV. Yeah, we've been through all this already. Myers' AAV is much less than what he's actually getting paid. His salary for the next three years is $22.5M, but his AAV is just $13,833,333 because the contract includes arb years they bought out. If the Padres kicked in $10m/year to get rid of him (less than half of his real salary, the thing the Padres actually would want to get rid of in this hypothetical trade), his AAV would be less than $4M.
|
|
|