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Post by kman22 on Sept 15, 2020 12:54:47 GMT -5
Hopefully it would be well in the rear view by October, but somewhat surprising they picked California locations with all of the wildfires. At the same time, I guess those teams are still hosting home games, so maybe a non-factor.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 15, 2020 13:00:51 GMT -5
So in typical MLB fashion, the league wants to make a bubble but somehow include fans, even though the games will be held at neutral parks. I honestly don't know. Doesn't football have fans ? I assume it's still full contact.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 15, 2020 14:13:12 GMT -5
So in typical MLB fashion, the league wants to make a bubble but somehow include fans, even though the games will be held at neutral parks. Haha, they're basically encourage people to travel to CA and Texas to watch their teams in the playoffs. How do they manage that situation? Football at least has the local fans (and even then only select teams are letting fans in).
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Post by beasleyrockah on Sept 15, 2020 14:44:43 GMT -5
So in typical MLB fashion, the league wants to make a bubble but somehow include fans, even though the games will be held at neutral parks. I honestly don't know. Doesn't football have fans ? I assume it's still full contact. Only a few NFL stadiums are allowing fans, but the issue is the sites of these games. These tickets will likely be quite expensive, and they'll naturally attract fans from other states flooding the area to watch their teams play. The MLB switched to this neutral site plan because they worried regular travel (like they've being doing this whole season) would jeopardize the legitimacy and/or completion of the postseason. It'd be a weird move to introduce fans when teams won't be playing in their home market. If they don't trust teams to travel safely during the postseason they shouldn't encourage die hard fans to travel to the neutral sites either.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 18, 2020 20:57:12 GMT -5
The White Sox are promoting Garrett Crochet. That was QUICK.
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Post by manfred on Sept 19, 2020 12:15:33 GMT -5
TJ for Verlander. That is such a shame. He is one of my favorites. I hope he can come back and have a few more great years.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 21, 2020 23:12:57 GMT -5
Just like in real life, it's all going to come out. This pretty much says the Yankees can't find a competent lawyer to argue their appeal. Your take may vary.
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Post by manfred on Sept 22, 2020 13:23:29 GMT -5
Just like in real life, it's all going to come out. This pretty much says the Yankees can't find a competent lawyer to argue their appeal. Your take may vary. A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.
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Post by dd on Sept 24, 2020 14:18:19 GMT -5
Just like in real life, it's all going to come out. This pretty much says the Yankees can't find a competent lawyer to argue their appeal. Your take may vary. A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. I don't subscribe to the Athletic. Is there any indication of the hearing date?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 24, 2020 20:10:45 GMT -5
A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. I don't subscribe to the Athletic. Is there any indication of the hearing date? "A response from the plaintiffs is due in October. Oral arguments could start in December, but may be more likely to begin in 2021, with no resolution likely until next year. The court has agreed to expedite the case."
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2020 1:17:09 GMT -5
There are 1600 different scenarios in play in the NL, in terms of the results of each of the five series. It's possible that there will be 32 in play going into the last day of the season, I think.
If the Brewers win 3 of 4 from the Cardinals in St. Louis (with one game as the home team), the Reds lose 2 of 3 in Minnesota, the Marlins lose 2 out of 3 to the Mets in NY, the Giants split 4 with the Padres at home (with 1 game with the Padres as home team), and the Phillies win 2 of 3 in Tampa ... it's a 6-way tie for the 5th through 8th seeds, with everyone at .500.
You start with 5th and 6th seeds, the runners-up in the East and Central. In the East, the Marlins went 12-8 against the Phillies, so they're in.
In the Central, the Cardinals went 6-4 against the Reds, and the Reds went 6-4 against the Brewers. In this scenario, the Brewers end up 6-4 against the Cards, so the first tiebreaker is a three way tie at .500.
But the Cardinals and Reds would be 21-19 within the division while the Brewers would be 20-20. The Reds are 12-8 in their last 20 within the division and the Cards would be 10-10, so the Reds are the Central runner-up.
Who has the 5 seed and who has the 6? The Marlins are also 21-19 in their division, and they're also 12-8 in their last 20. Am I going to go back to both team's last 21, 22, etc., until this tie is broken? No, I'm not.
Now there are four teams left, and since they're from different divisions, you look at division records, where the Phillies join the Cards at 21-19, the Brewers are 20-20, and the Giants would be 19-21. You go to the 3rd tiebreaker, last 20 games in the division, where the Cards would be 10-10, and the Phillies are 8-12, so they would be the 7 and 8 seeds.
I'm not doing any of other 1599.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 25, 2020 8:30:55 GMT -5
There are 1600 different scenarios in play in the NL, in terms of the results of each of the five series. It's possible that there will be 32 in play going into the last day of the season, I think. If the Brewers win 3 of 4 from the Cardinals in St. Louis (with one game as the home team), the Reds lose 2 of 3 in Minnesota, the Marlins lose 2 out of 3 to the Mets in NY, the Giants split 4 with the Padres at home (with 1 game with the Padres as home team), and the Phillies win 2 of 3 in Tampa ... it's a 6-way tie for the 5th through 8th seeds, with everyone at .500. You start with 5th and 6th seeds, the runners-up in the East and Central. In the East, the Marlins went 12-8 against the Phillies, so they're in.
In the Central, the Cardinals went 6-4 against the Reds, and the Reds went 6-4 against the Brewers. In this scenario, the Brewers end up 6-4 against the Cards, so the first tiebreaker is a three way tie at .500. But the Cardinals and Reds would be 21-19 within the division while the Brewers would be 20-20. The Reds are 12-8 in their last 20 within the division and the Cards would be 10-10, so the Reds are the Central runner-up.
Who has the 5 seed and who has the 6? The Marlins are also 21-19 in their division, and they're also 12-8 in their last 20. Am I going to go back to both team's last 21, 22, etc., until this tie is broken? No, I'm not.
Now there are four teams left, and since they're from different divisions, you look at division records, where the Phillies join the Cards at 21-19, the Brewers are 20-20, and the Giants would be 19-21. You go to the 3rd tiebreaker, last 20 games in the division, where the Cards would be 10-10, and the Phillies are 8-12, so they would be the 7 and 8 seeds.
I'm not doing any of other 1599. It is time again for the most classic take on playoff tiebreakers.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 26, 2020 13:17:33 GMT -5
MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors · 8m Giants Place Jeff Samardzija On Release Waivers
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 27, 2020 17:08:16 GMT -5
Billy Eppler just got fired, Dombrowski probably gonna replace him, just a feeling
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Post by orion09 on Sept 29, 2020 15:04:20 GMT -5
Billy Eppler just got fired, Dombrowski probably gonna replace him, just a feeling I hope so, I think he would be a great fit for them. I'd love to see the "all chips in" approach applied to the Angels - God knows they need it.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 29, 2020 15:46:59 GMT -5
Billy Eppler just got fired, Dombrowski probably gonna replace him, just a feeling I hope so, I think he would be a great fit for them. I'd love to see the "all chips in" approach applied to the Angels - God knows they need it. Hasn't that been their problem these last several years - going after big name free agents (Pujols, Hamilton) while failing to build the farm system and add the complementary pieces around the stars? Seems like Dombrowski would be the worst possible fit for them.
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Post by orion09 on Oct 1, 2020 5:23:07 GMT -5
I hope so, I think he would be a great fit for them. I'd love to see the "all chips in" approach applied to the Angels - God knows they need it. Hasn't that been their problem these last several years - going after big name free agents (Pujols, Hamilton) while failing to build the farm system and add the complementary pieces around the stars? Seems like Dombrowski would be the worst possible fit for them. Yeah, you might be right. The Angels seemingly have a strong core, so I guess my surface level thought was that Dombrowski might be able to bring in the missing pieces. But they also have a barren farm, so not much for him to work with. And then their history of poor contract decisions and underperforming makes you wonder whether there's something larger wrong with the organization - owner interference, a culture issue, not enough $$ spent on analytics, etc.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2020 11:20:53 GMT -5
Has Dombrowski been connected to them at all? Not that I disagree with the fit, but he's been involved in the group trying to bring a team to Nashville, and it seems like it'd be weird for him to bail on that now (although if something were to tempt me if I were Dombrowski, building a team around the best player in this generation would do it).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 1, 2020 11:25:51 GMT -5
Has Dombrowski been connected to them at all? Not that I disagree with the fit, but he's been involved in the group trying to bring a team to Nashville, and it seems like it'd be weird for him to bail on that now (although if something were to tempt me if I were Dombrowski, building a team around the best player in this generation would do it).
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2020 11:46:37 GMT -5
Has Dombrowski been connected to them at all? Not that I disagree with the fit, but he's been involved in the group trying to bring a team to Nashville, and it seems like it'd be weird for him to bail on that now (although if something were to tempt me if I were Dombrowski, building a team around the best player in this generation would do it). Best player... again. Since by bWAR since Mookie has been full time he is almost identical to Trout.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2020 14:32:50 GMT -5
Has Dombrowski been connected to them at all? Not that I disagree with the fit, but he's been involved in the group trying to bring a team to Nashville, and it seems like it'd be weird for him to bail on that now (although if something were to tempt me if I were Dombrowski, building a team around the best player in this generation would do it). Best player... again. Since by bWAR since Mookie has been full time he is almost identical to Trout. Nah. Betts, 2015-2020: 797 g, .301/.374/.526, 42.9 bWAR, 38.4 fWAR (2nd), 37.7 BP WARP (roughly on this one- adding for each season) Trout, 2015-2020: 759 g, .303/.432/.605, 46.7 bWAR, 46.8 fWAR (1st), 42.5 BP WARP And this is, of course, removing three seasons from Trout's career during which he was either first or second in the MVP voting. You can easily argue Betts is the second-best player in baseball, but there is zero argument that he's better than Trout that doesn't involve a healthy amount of bias toward the player who is in the banner at the top of this page. Hell, at 29 years old, Trout is already 81st on the career bWAR list. He's basically two healthy years from reaching the top 50. I mean your argument is basically "he's almost as good (but isn't actually as good) as Trout based on one measurement," which isn't really even true given the nearly 4-win difference over a six-year period (not insignificant, if not enormous either, especially considering one of the seasons was shortened, so its really a 5.37-year sample) despite Betts having played 38 more games. And keep in mind Trout is just 14 months older. If we look at one year and Player A was 1 WAR better than Player B, I would not conclude that Player A is consistently a 1-WAR better player. Over a 5.37-year sample, if Player A is an 8.7 bWAR/162 player and Player B is a 10.0 bWAR/162 player, that tells me that Player B is clearly better.
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2020 14:44:36 GMT -5
Best player... again. Since by bWAR since Mookie has been full time he is almost identical to Trout. Nah. Betts, 2015-2020: 797 g, .301/.374/.526, 42.9 bWAR, 38.4 fWAR (2nd), 37.7 BP WARP (roughly on this one- adding for each season) Trout, 2015-2020: 759 g, .303/.432/.605, 46.7 bWAR, 46.8 fWAR (1st), 42.5 BP WARP And this is, of course, removing three seasons from Trout's career during which he was either first or second in the MVP voting. You can easily argue Betts is the second-best player in baseball, but there is zero argument that he's better than Trout that doesn't involve a healthy amount of bias toward the player who is in the banner at the top of this page. Hell, at 29 years old, Trout is already 81st on the career bWAR list. He's basically two healthy years from reaching the top 50. I mean your argument is literally "he's almost as good as Trout based on one measurement (which he isn't given the nearly 4-win difference despite Betts having played 38 more games). And keep in mind Trout is just 14 months older. There are other measures. Mookie been better in post-season, for one! Mookie also #1 in jersey sales. (To he fair: you say Mookie has played 38 more games in a span (because he stays healthy) but also factor in seasons Mookie was a teenager.) Anyway, I know the Mike Trout-is-the-greatest brigade are the quickest fingers on the internet. Of course he is the best player. But in this context Dombrowski has already had the chance to join a team with a young first-ballot HOFer. So this would be a repeat. I wonder if the chance of building an entire franchise is not far away more interesting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2020 14:54:46 GMT -5
Oh I think building a franchise is probably more interesting at this point for him. That's my point. But at this point, "get Mike Trout a team he deserves" is the MLB's dream GM scenario now that the Red Sox and Cubs have won World Series, right?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 1, 2020 16:26:59 GMT -5
Nah. Betts, 2015-2020: 797 g, .301/.374/.526, 42.9 bWAR, 38.4 fWAR (2nd), 37.7 BP WARP (roughly on this one- adding for each season) Trout, 2015-2020: 759 g, .303/.432/.605, 46.7 bWAR, 46.8 fWAR (1st), 42.5 BP WARP And this is, of course, removing three seasons from Trout's career during which he was either first or second in the MVP voting. You can easily argue Betts is the second-best player in baseball, but there is zero argument that he's better than Trout that doesn't involve a healthy amount of bias toward the player who is in the banner at the top of this page. Hell, at 29 years old, Trout is already 81st on the career bWAR list. He's basically two healthy years from reaching the top 50. I mean your argument is literally "he's almost as good as Trout based on one measurement (which he isn't given the nearly 4-win difference despite Betts having played 38 more games). And keep in mind Trout is just 14 months older. There are other measures. Mookie been better in post-season, for one! Mookie also #1 in jersey sales. (To he fair: you say Mookie has played 38 more games in a span (because he stays healthy) but also factor in seasons Mookie was a teenager.) Anyway, I know the Mike Trout-is-the-greatest brigade are the quickest fingers on the internet. Of course he is the best player. But in this context Dombrowski has already had the chance to join a team with a young first-ballot HOFer. So this would be a repeat. I wonder if the chance of building an entire franchise is not far away more interesting. I think not wanting to sign Betts to a long term mega deal has a lot to do with his body type and the scare of what decreased bat speed as he ages will do to him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 1, 2020 16:28:00 GMT -5
Also, if people want to look at why people are turning on baseball, look no further than 9 pitchers thru 4 innings for the White Sox and As... it’s a 4-3 game... my god
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