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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 2, 2020 19:34:53 GMT -5
I don't see why not let Houck, who is older and "probably" more mature as has been in college and faced AAA hitters have a shot at a couple 3-4 inning starts. Upside is anybody who can think knows this team hasn't got a chance at the title, should be no pressure from that standpoint and the 3-5 starter options are just horrid currently.
As long as they have kept him down long enough to keep under the full season of service time? Nothing lost, it's not like they would be doing another "Bobby Sprowl", where they threw him out there, as top pitching prospect in '78 vs the NYY in a pennant race and let him get massacred for his 1st start.. I was at fenway for that.. kid wasn't the same. THAT was pressure, this team is going nowhere and pressure free for both Houck and Mata, other than 1st start of hopefully long MLB careers.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2020 20:57:01 GMT -5
I don't see why not let Houck, who is older and "probably" more mature as has been in college and faced AAA hitters have a shot at a couple 3-4 inning starts. Upside is anybody who can think knows this team hasn't got a chance at the title, should be no pressure from that standpoint and the 3-5 starter options are just horrid currently. As long as they have kept him down long enough to keep under the full season of service time? Nothing lost, it's not like they would be doing another "Bobby Sprowl", where they threw him out there, as top pitching prospect in '78 vs the NYY in a pennant race and let him get massacred for his 1st start.. I was at fenway for that.. kid wasn't the same. THAT was pressure, this team is going nowhere and pressure free for both Houck and Mata, other than 1st start of hopefully long MLB careers. Yes, no full season now for first time callups. That's why there were a lot of rookies Thursday almost everywhere else except Boston. It actually seemed crazy for any team to have started rookies out of the gate but there were several.
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Post by costpet on Aug 3, 2020 7:11:50 GMT -5
Why not use this season as sort of a try out for the Major League. Give the rookies a taste of what it's all about. Then they can be ready for next year. That gives them a head start without the service time.
I'm still not confident the season will last. Too many games cancelled already. How are you going to make up those? 7 inning doubleheaders?
I think they're just trying to force it and it's not working very well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2020 8:54:01 GMT -5
I don't see why not let Houck, who is older and "probably" more mature as has been in college and faced AAA hitters have a shot at a couple 3-4 inning starts. Upside is anybody who can think knows this team hasn't got a chance at the title, should be no pressure from that standpoint and the 3-5 starter options are just horrid currently. As long as they have kept him down long enough to keep under the full season of service time? Nothing lost, it's not like they would be doing another "Bobby Sprowl", where they threw him out there, as top pitching prospect in '78 vs the NYY in a pennant race and let him get massacred for his 1st start.. I was at fenway for that.. kid wasn't the same. THAT was pressure, this team is going nowhere and pressure free for both Houck and Mata, other than 1st start of hopefully long MLB careers. One reason they haven't done that yet is the guys aren't stretched out like that yet. Remember, Houck wasn't at the MLB Summer Camp. I'd give any player who wasn't already stretched out at least 4 weeks in Pawtucket before thinking about calling them up. Why risk it? We're seeing all kinds of pitching injuries and the indications seem to be that the quick ramp-up didn't help that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 3, 2020 23:01:47 GMT -5
Jen McCaffrey @jcmccaffrey · 4h Jay Groome is on the schedule to throw in the sim game in Pawtucket tomorrow. He’s thrown a couple bullpens, but this is his first time facing live hitters while at the alternate site
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 4, 2020 10:39:31 GMT -5
Groome just pitched an inning of live BP. Looked pretty good. Command seemed a little off but he got some swings and misses and didn’t let anything out of the infield in the air. Broadcast crew was talking about him throwing a slider which isn’t something in his scouting report. I don’t know if that’s a new pitch or if they were just misidentifying his curveball.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 4, 2020 10:53:36 GMT -5
The delivery looked in control, and he seemed to have a good repitoire of curves and sliders. No hard contact, but he also didn't attack the zone. I didn't see a lot of control or velocity -- seemed in the low 90s on fastballs just from estimate. The curve seemed effective, in a David Wells sort of way.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 4, 2020 11:33:51 GMT -5
The one elevated fastball looked faster to me. Impressive composure considering the circumstances and his story. Josh Taylor looked like he didn't miss a beat. Strange considering that was his first inning pitched. I had never seen Alvarez. Quite the nasty repertoire but not so sure about the balls and strikes. He did get the batters chasing though.
Coincidental I'm sure but I have yet to see Marco Hernandez make an out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 4, 2020 15:14:35 GMT -5
The breaking ball is a curveball. Groome does not throw a slider.
Jim Cain tweeted after the workout he touched 94.
With Ray that Taylor looks close to ready, and Hernandez has been hitting very well.
Also, reported that Dalbec is with the MLB club in Florida. Words taxi squad weren't used but that's what it sounds like.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 4, 2020 20:08:05 GMT -5
Curiosity question for the stats guys.
I am curious if any study has been done to look for correlations between exit velocity/launch angle and BABIP. I ask because although Duran is starting his mechanics with lower hands, the results, sprayed line drives to all fields, looks similar to his time at Salem.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 4, 2020 22:23:13 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2020 23:19:29 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo @chriscotillo · 1h Red Sox optioned Chris Mazza and Matt Hall to Pawtucket.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 8, 2020 13:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Aug 8, 2020 13:25:05 GMT -5
I watched some of that. Houck hit 101 according to the announcers.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2020 14:22:44 GMT -5
I watched some of that. Houck hit 101 according to the announcers. I think it was Stock, not Houck. He doesn't throw 101.
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Post by manfred on Aug 8, 2020 14:48:58 GMT -5
I watched some of that. Houck hit 101 according to the announcers. I think it was Stock, not Houck. He doesn't throw 101. Damn. Didn’t think so. But I was about to revise my “up” prospects, that’s for sure.
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Post by patford on Aug 8, 2020 15:14:43 GMT -5
I watched some of that. Houck hit 101 according to the announcers. I think it was Stock, not Houck. He doesn't throw 101. I was pretty sure it was Houck. It was an inning where he struck out the last two batter the last of whom was Dalbec who was caught looking. If I recall the announcers said the reading came from "Alex Richardson" and they mentioned several times his arm was "electric." You must be right though. It wouldn't be logical for Houck to pick up five or six mph.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2020 22:00:07 GMT -5
If these are correct, I'm guessing Covey Tuesday, Johnson Wednesday for the big club. If it is Johnson, they will need to DFA 2 guys for Taylor and Darwinzon's return.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 9, 2020 11:52:17 GMT -5
I think it was Stock, not Houck. He doesn't throw 101. I was pretty sure it was Houck. It was an inning where he struck out the last two batter the last of whom was Dalbec who was caught looking. If I recall the announcers said the reading came from "Alex Richardson" and they mentioned several times his arm was "electric." You must be right though. It wouldn't be logical for Houck to pick up five or six mph. They have access to Trackman data in the booth (they've known HR distances within a minute or so at points) so they wouldn't be citing someone else for readings I don't think. If these are correct, I'm guessing Covey Tuesday, Johnson Wednesday for the big club. If it is Johnson, they will need to DFA 2 guys for Taylor and Darwinzon's return. Roenicke said Perez Tuesday. Sounds like your dude Brewer providing bulk tomorrow, potentially after an opener. Wednesday could be Johnson.
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Post by manfred on Aug 9, 2020 12:25:20 GMT -5
I missed something, I’m guessing, but why has Johnson not been starting? I mean, he is no great shakes, but he has been trusted enough to go in better years. Surely he is better than Weber et al? Was he hurt/sick?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 9, 2020 12:27:43 GMT -5
Mike Antonellis @theradiomike · 21m Impressive 2-run HR by Dalbec, goes right down the right-field line near the pole at McCoy. He’s having terrific at-bats.
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Post by beavertontim on Aug 9, 2020 14:16:34 GMT -5
I was pretty sure it was Houck. It was an inning where he struck out the last two batter the last of whom was Dalbec who was caught looking. If I recall the announcers said the reading came from "Alex Richardson" and they mentioned several times his arm was "electric." You must be right though. It wouldn't be logical for Houck to pick up five or six mph. They have access to Trackman data in the booth (they've known HR distances within a minute or so at points) so they wouldn't be citing someone else for readings I don't think. If these are correct, I'm guessing Covey Tuesday, Johnson Wednesday for the big club. If it is Johnson, they will need to DFA 2 guys for Taylor and Darwinzon's return. Roenicke said Perez Tuesday. Sounds like your dude Brewer providing bulk tomorrow, potentially after an opener. Wednesday could be Johnson. Instead of DFA'ing 2, could/should ERod be moved to the 60?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 9, 2020 14:42:53 GMT -5
This is cool. Play with the sound on:
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 9, 2020 14:44:24 GMT -5
They have access to Trackman data in the booth (they've known HR distances within a minute or so at points) so they wouldn't be citing someone else for readings I don't think. Roenicke said Perez Tuesday. Sounds like your dude Brewer providing bulk tomorrow, potentially after an opener. Wednesday could be Johnson. Instead of DFA'ing 2, could/should ERod be moved to the 60? ERod is already accounted for with the Covid IL.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 10, 2020 8:23:19 GMT -5
I missed something, I’m guessing, but why has Johnson not been starting? I mean, he is no great shakes, but he has been trusted enough to go in better years. Surely he is better than Weber et al? Was he hurt/sick? I'm going to guess it mostly has to do with his not being on the 40-man (in the sense that they didn't feel he was enough of an upgrade to add him). That said, He'll be on regular rest on Wednesday. I'll be a little surprised if he's not up.
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