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Post by patford on Aug 19, 2020 11:04:30 GMT -5
He looked thinner at the end of last season. Will need to constantly be watching his body going forward. That said, he doesn't need to be Sale or anything. Just needs to maintain size to handle a starter's workload well without getting too big and losing athleticism. I'd rather see Sale be Groome. Sale should spend his whole time recuperating by drinking milkshakes.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 19, 2020 11:29:34 GMT -5
He looked thinner at the end of last season. Will need to constantly be watching his body going forward. That said, he doesn't need to be Sale or anything. Just needs to maintain size to handle a starter's workload well without getting too big and losing athleticism. I'd rather see Sale be Groome. Sale should spend his whole time recuperating by drinking milkshakes. Haha, Buchholz always drove me crazy that way. At least Sale looks healthy, Clay always looked like the grim reaper was looking over his shoulder waiting to pounce.
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Post by manfred on Aug 19, 2020 11:33:06 GMT -5
Some guys are musclers and some guys are whips. I know the idea is more weight would help Sale’s endurance, but there is also a point where you change the thing that makes him electric. Sometimes you just take the good with the bad. You could bulk Pedro up. His small size might have shortened his career — or Lincecum — but it made him what he was.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 19, 2020 11:34:24 GMT -5
I'd rather see Sale be Groome. Sale should spend his whole time recuperating by drinking milkshakes. Haha, Buchholz always drove me crazy that way. At least Sale looks healthy, Clay always looked like the grim reaper was looking over his shoulder waiting to pounce. Buchholz always looked like Gollum and Yul Brynner had an illicit tryst, and he was the product.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 19, 2020 11:44:54 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 20, 2020 5:53:06 GMT -5
I just read this and came to post it the “Player News and Links” thread. This is a great story. You want to see this guy succeed after reading.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 20, 2020 9:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2020 9:48:26 GMT -5
And a reminder that all of the sim games are streamed live on Twitter and Facebook!
I presume he won't play for a few days during intake.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 20, 2020 13:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 20, 2020 15:19:51 GMT -5
I don't see any reason that Groome can't face the minimum 3 batters at the bottom of the lineup. In Boston, in Sept. Then come back 3 days later to do it again. But I'm sure they will do the right thing.
Meanwhile, Duran & Downs don't belong near the 40-man roster until summer '21
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 20, 2020 17:29:32 GMT -5
I don't see any reason that Groome can't face the minimum 3 batters at the bottom of the lineup. In Boston, in Sept. Then come back 3 days later to do it again. But I'm sure they will do the right thing. Meanwhile, Duran & Downs don't belong near the 40-man roster until summer '21 Jarren Duran not being ready to play in the majors but Groome being ready is quite a take.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 20, 2020 19:29:46 GMT -5
I don't see any reason that Groome can't face the minimum 3 batters at the bottom of the lineup. In Boston, in Sept. Then come back 3 days later to do it again. But I'm sure they will do the right thing. Meanwhile, Duran & Downs don't belong near the 40-man roster until summer '21 Jarren Duran not being ready to play in the majors but Groome being ready is quite a take. soxprospects.com/rule5.htmI don't know if the Sox are ready to accelerate Duran's service time, etc.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 19:33:26 GMT -5
Jarren Duran not being ready to play in the majors but Groome being ready is quite a take. soxprospects.com/rule5.htmI don't know if the Sox are ready to accelerate Duran's service time, etc. That would accelerate Groome's service time.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2020 20:11:39 GMT -5
Yeah, DFA, don't confuse being Rule 5 eligible with service time. Two completely different things.
Duran is very clearly going to make his MLB debut before he's Rule 5 eligible. That's obvious at this point. And if he's ready and can help the team win, then use him.
Groome is not ready. He's potentially getting added to the 40 this offseason, yes, but then he's going to get optioned next year. Because he's not ready. And he won't be accumulating service time because he won't be in the majors.
You're trying to rush Groome to free agency because he's eligible for the Rule 5 Draft. They're two separate issues.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 20, 2020 21:40:07 GMT -5
Groome: Plan A ... added to 40 in Nov '20. Optioned. Doubtful on call-up in Sept '21. Plan B ... 2 weeks in Bos this Sept. (x 3 = 40 days service.) Doubtful on call-up in Sept '21.
What they do with him each Sept barely effects his service time. Maybe they'll give him the "cup of coffee".
Duran: Plan A ... add to 40 and call up Sept '21, in the mix for some roster time in '22. Plan B ... add to 40 and call up Sept '20. in the mix for some roster time in '21
On Plan B, Duran presumably would be used a bit next year because most 40-man players need to contribute. Groome, on the other hand, will be a "non-contributing" 40-man player in '21.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 21:50:40 GMT -5
Groome: Plan A ... added to 40 in Nov '20. Optioned. Doubtful on call-up in Sept '21. Plan B ... 2 weeks in Bos this Sept. (x 3 = 40 days service.) Doubtful on call-up in Sept '21. What they do with him each Sept barely effects his service time. Maybe the Duran: Plan A ... add to 40 and call up Sept '21, in the mix for some roster time in '22. Plan B ... add to 40 and call up Sept '20. in the mix for some roster time in '21 On Plan B, Duran presumably would be used a bit next year because most 40-man players need to contribute. Groome, on the other hand, will be a "non-contributing" 40-man player in '21. Assuming no change with the collective bargaining... For any player called up, the time is cumulative which delays how long a period a team would have to wait to calling him up when they might actually be of significance. Duran, for example. Groome is way too far out to think about and nowhere near ready for Boston. The odds of him gaining anything are far outweighted by the likelihood he's get shelled and suffer because of that.
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Post by mg050369 on Aug 20, 2020 21:51:47 GMT -5
Groome: Plan A ... added to 40 in Nov '20. Optioned. Doubtful on call-up in Sept '21. Plan B ... 2 weeks in Bos this Sept. (x 3 = 40 days service.) Doubtful on call-up in Sept '21. What they do with him each Sept barely effects his service time. Maybe they'll give him the "cup of coffee". In a season where the team is in the mix for the top draft pick, what is the benefit of bringing up a guy who has pitched 60 innings over 4 minor league seasons?
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Post by rismith on Aug 21, 2020 13:27:01 GMT -5
We hear about Duran hitting, and maybe Downs looking good at times...I have watched some of the Pawsox live feeds...haven't seen Dalbec do more than K and pop out. Anyone get any reports or see anything different on him? Obviously we have high hopes and like the hit potential for power but he is 25 and not getting younger. At some point do you give him a try on the bump if say in 18 months we are talking the same convo?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 21, 2020 14:52:55 GMT -5
We hear about Duran hitting, and maybe Downs looking good at times...I have watched some of the Pawsox live feeds...haven't seen Dalbec do more than K and pop out. Anyone get any reports or see anything different on him? Obviously we have high hopes and like the hit potential for power but he is 25 and not getting younger. At some point do you give him a try on the bump if say in 18 months we are talking the same convo? There's no statistics or full report to look at. I wouldn't assume just because you've heard one thing or another that therefore means everyone else is doing poorly. It is way, way too premature to talk about moving Dalbec to the mound. He's on the cusp of the major leagues as a hitter. Why would they even discuss it at this point?
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 15:22:32 GMT -5
We hear about Duran hitting, and maybe Downs looking good at times...I have watched some of the Pawsox live feeds...haven't seen Dalbec do more than K and pop out. Anyone get any reports or see anything different on him? Obviously we have high hopes and like the hit potential for power but he is 25 and not getting younger. At some point do you give him a try on the bump if say in 18 months we are talking the same convo? There's no statistics or full report to look at. I wouldn't assume just because you've heard one thing or another that therefore means everyone else is doing poorly. It is way, way too premature to talk about moving Dalbec to the mound. He's on the cusp of the major leagues as a hitter. Why would they even discuss it at this point? I am not on board a mound move but out of simple curiosity: was he regarded as a possible ML pitcher coming out of college?
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Post by rismith on Aug 21, 2020 15:26:20 GMT -5
Chris, thanks for the info. To be fair, I didnt say now and saif if "18 months we are talking the same". Rather than be dismissive to a poster who asked a simple question, maybe the response is he is having good at bats. I also said I didnt see anything but asked if others had.
Whatever maybe I reading into your ton similar to how you must have read into mine.
just a question...
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 15:34:51 GMT -5
I have to admit, I wonder if expectations for Dalbec are too high. My big concern is he is Chavis with a touch more power but an even worse hit tool. I see him ending up in the same limbo as Chavis has thus far. I still have hope that Chavis can work out, so that is not dismissing Dalbec either, but I think it is massively risky to be planning lineups with him in them in the next few years.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 21, 2020 15:46:53 GMT -5
There's no statistics or full report to look at. I wouldn't assume just because you've heard one thing or another that therefore means everyone else is doing poorly. It is way, way too premature to talk about moving Dalbec to the mound. He's on the cusp of the major leagues as a hitter. Why would they even discuss it at this point? I am not on board a mound move but out of simple curiosity: was he regarded as a possible ML pitcher coming out of college? Yes. He was likely a better pitcher his last year in College than hitter. He easily would have been drafted just based on his pitching.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 21, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -5
I have to admit, I wonder if expectations for Dalbec are too high. My big concern is he is Chavis with a touch more power but an even worse hit tool. I see him ending up in the same limbo as Chavis has thus far. I still have hope that Chavis can work out, so that is not dismissing Dalbec either, but I think it is massively risky to be planning lineups with him in them in the next few years. I'm surprised by his top 100 ranking given his age. Yet his ability to draw walks and play an average to above average 3B given him a good chance. Chavis needs to take more walks.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 21, 2020 16:49:59 GMT -5
I have to admit, I wonder if expectations for Dalbec are too high. My big concern is he is Chavis with a touch more power but an even worse hit tool. I see him ending up in the same limbo as Chavis has thus far. I still have hope that Chavis can work out, so that is not dismissing Dalbec either, but I think it is massively risky to be planning lineups with him in them in the next few years. I'm surprised by his top 100 ranking given his age. Yet his ability to draw walks and play an average to above average 3B given him a good chance. Chavis needs to take more walks. I hope you're right. From the outside C & D seem two peas from the same pod. Both have a lot of swing and miss. It appears that Chavis has to commit very early to catch up with gas...resulting in wild swings at not even faintly tantalizing pitches. "Hair" up totally escapes injury. If Dalbec can better lay off, maybe they aren't the same vegetable.
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