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Post by Addam603 on Aug 1, 2020 15:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 1, 2020 15:51:24 GMT -5
Is mike timlin available?
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 1, 2020 16:01:18 GMT -5
Not only that but kiss his extension goodby. For now.
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Post by manfred on Aug 1, 2020 16:34:20 GMT -5
That is awful. I don’t mean in a baseball way... I mean that poor guy’s health should be a real concern to us, and this is why playing is still likely a bad idea. I hope he recovers completely.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 1, 2020 16:46:29 GMT -5
Been a bad season in so many ways. Get well Eduardo.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 1, 2020 17:06:29 GMT -5
Makes me grumpy as a baseball fan. As a regular human, get well soon Eduardo.
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Post by kjkramer on Aug 1, 2020 17:11:59 GMT -5
Get well Erod!! See you next year I think this makes us 100% sellers
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 1, 2020 17:27:53 GMT -5
I don't think ERod will ever be the same. I'm not a doctor so I could be way off base here. But this falls on MLB. MLB might have cost him millions because they simply would not stay the f**k home. Or at least do what the NBA and NHL are doing. This thing has been an absolute cluster and the season needs to be shut down asap. Coronavirus is deadly and if the season keeps up we're going to find this out the hard way.
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Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2020 17:35:03 GMT -5
I don't think ERod will ever be the same. I'm not a doctor so I could be way off base here. But this falls on MLB. MLB might have cost him millions because they simply would not stay the f**k home. Or at least do what the NBA and NHL are doing. This thing has been an absolute cluster and the season needs to be shut down asap. Coronavirus is deadly and if the season keeps up we're going to find this out the hard way. What on earth makes you even say that? No athletes have shown any lasting effects whatsoever
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 1, 2020 17:45:34 GMT -5
I don't think ERod will ever be the same. I'm not a doctor so I could be way off base here. But this falls on MLB. MLB might have cost him millions because they simply would not stay the f**k home. Or at least do what the NBA and NHL are doing. This thing has been an absolute cluster and the season needs to be shut down asap. Coronavirus is deadly and if the season keeps up we're going to find this out the hard way. What on earth makes you even say that? No athletes have shown any lasting effects whatsoever Except perhaps for ERod. There have been reports of younger persons who are not deathly ill having a variety of ongoing side effects. Whether chronic/permanent or not, we probably just have to let time go by to find out. But that is an issue that is talked about very little -- death isn't the only tragically bad outcome of this disease. It's like with vehicle accidents; people are most concerned about the death toll, but there is an enormous injury/disability and property damage toll as well that gets very little press. All the pieces are falling into place. Time to throw in the towel, tank the season, hope baseball is stupid and stubborn enough to keep on playing, and get the salary cap structure reset and the first draft choice next June. Really, this could turn out, whether accidentally or not, to be a brilliant move on the part of the Sox. If there was ever a season to tank, this is the one. No one is going to give a rat's tooshie about the outcome of this season starting about 10 minutes after it is over.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 1, 2020 18:04:27 GMT -5
I don't think ERod will ever be the same. I'm not a doctor so I could be way off base here. But this falls on MLB. MLB might have cost him millions because they simply would not stay the f**k home. Or at least do what the NBA and NHL are doing. This thing has been an absolute cluster and the season needs to be shut down asap. Coronavirus is deadly and if the season keeps up we're going to find this out the hard way. What on earth makes you even say that? No athletes have shown any lasting effects whatsoever I don't think it's possible to say one way or another. This is new. Other people have different experiences with this virus. There's links to strokes, blood clots and scar tissue damage to the lungs.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 1, 2020 18:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2020 18:36:12 GMT -5
I don't think ERod will ever be the same. I'm not a doctor so I could be way off base here. But this falls on MLB. MLB might have cost him millions because they simply would not stay the f**k home. Or at least do what the NBA and NHL are doing. This thing has been an absolute cluster and the season needs to be shut down asap. Coronavirus is deadly and if the season keeps up we're going to find this out the hard way. He already had it, he didn't get it because of the MLB. They didn't cost him anything.
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Post by manfred on Aug 1, 2020 19:03:02 GMT -5
This is another thing that must really suck the life out of the team. Your teammate and friend has these complications, and you have to hope you don’t get it while you play the role of the Washington Generals to the Yankees’ Globetrotters?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 1, 2020 19:45:50 GMT -5
I don't think ERod will ever be the same. I'm not a doctor so I could be way off base here. But this falls on MLB. MLB might have cost him millions because they simply would not stay the f**k home. Or at least do what the NBA and NHL are doing. This thing has been an absolute cluster and the season needs to be shut down asap. Coronavirus is deadly and if the season keeps up we're going to find this out the hard way. What on earth makes you even say that? No athletes have shown any lasting effects whatsoever Actually, there's a lot on this earth, right now, to justify that. The ancient one is correct that the long term effects are unknown, and that younger people can get it. When they do, some of them keep it, relapsing into a variety of symptoms. This was the best move for him and his future. He needs to get better.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 1, 2020 20:44:16 GMT -5
It's far from the most important element of the E-Rod situation, but there's a difficult BB/business question: Should the RS try to sign him longterm? I hoped this off-season would be about spending money to lock up him and Devers, not lock in future bad contracts by signing FAs.
But now? Would it be sensible to give him $120 million over six years? As Norm said, we don't know the long-term effects of this virus. People - particularly young people - are recovering and returning to normal lives. But they're not professional athletes who have to work out a ton to stay in competitive condition.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2020 22:03:13 GMT -5
Again, not the most important thing here but it wouldn't be difficult to word a contract with specific health issue wording.
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Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2020 22:19:08 GMT -5
What on earth makes you even say that? No athletes have shown any lasting effects whatsoever Except perhaps for ERod. There have been reports of younger persons who are not deathly ill having a variety of ongoing side effects. Whether chronic/permanent or not, we probably just have to let time go by to find out. But that is an issue that is talked about very little -- death isn't the only tragically bad outcome of this disease. It's like with vehicle accidents; people are most concerned about the death toll, but there is an enormous injury/disability and property damage toll as well that gets very little press. All the pieces are falling into place. Time to throw in the towel, tank the season, hope baseball is stupid and stubborn enough to keep on playing, and get the salary cap structure reset and the first draft choice next June. Really, this could turn out, whether accidentally or not, to be a brilliant move on the part of the Sox. If there was ever a season to tank, this is the one. No one is going to give a rat's tooshie about the outcome of this season starting about 10 minutes after it is over. Don’t disagree with that I just don’t see why we’re going to leap to say he’ll never be the same. I’ve never wanted to extend him anyway with his lack of durability FWIW
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 2, 2020 0:05:07 GMT -5
Get well soon ERod, he seems like a good dude and I hope he recovers from this.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2020 0:54:34 GMT -5
It's far from the most important element of the E-Rod situation, but there's a difficult BB/business question: Should the RS try to sign him longterm? I hoped this off-season would be about spending money to lock up him and Devers, not lock in future bad contracts by signing FAs. But now? Would it be sensible to give him $120 million over six years? As Norm said, we don't know the long-term effects of this virus. People - particularly young people - are recovering and returning to normal lives. But they're not professional athletes who have to work out a ton to stay in competitive condition. Umm I would peg his market at six years 150 million if he's good in 2021 and pitches a full season. So no I wouldn't give him 6 years 120 million right now. I fully expect him to heal up 100%. It's more do we get 30 plus starts 200 innings 2019 ERod or the guy before? I'd bet on him, yet for taking the risk I'm offering five years 85 million. I might move a little on that, but I just don't see the upside on six years 120 million unless you think he's 2019 ERod every year.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 2, 2020 0:55:50 GMT -5
Will this year count towards arbitration? Will he still be a FA after 2021?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 2, 2020 9:57:36 GMT -5
Again, not the most important thing here but it wouldn't be difficult to word a contract with specific health issue wording. I mean, if he misses time sure, but it'd be hard to account for risk of his being less effective or something. And while you're right you could account for his going on IL with a heart condition, my guess is he'd then be less inclined to sign said extension. Although I say all of that having no idea what the deal will be with his actual physical condition...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2020 10:23:15 GMT -5
Again, not the most important thing here but it wouldn't be difficult to word a contract with specific health issue wording. I mean, if he misses time sure, but it'd be hard to account for risk of his being less effective or something. And while you're right you could account for his going on IL with a heart condition, my guess is he'd then be less inclined to sign said extension. Although I say all of that having no idea what the deal will be with his actual physical condition... Purely my speculation but I'd assume that the medicals would be pretty clear one way or another.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 2, 2020 17:45:11 GMT -5
Will this year count towards arbitration? Will he still be a FA after 2021? Yes, per the agreement between the owners and the PA. Service time keeps accumulating this year, even during the shutdown that happened in the spring and the one that might happen between now and the end of the season.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 2, 2020 17:51:58 GMT -5
I mean, if he misses time sure, but it'd be hard to account for risk of his being less effective or something. And while you're right you could account for his going on IL with a heart condition, my guess is he'd then be less inclined to sign said extension. Although I say all of that having no idea what the deal will be with his actual physical condition... Purely my speculation but I'd assume that the medicals would be pretty clear one way or another. I'm not so sure about that, Phils. The medicals should show whether the muscles around the heart have returned to normal size. But they might not show a specific reason for a decline in stamina that makes it impossible for him to spend an hour on a treadmill, run foul-line to foul-line windsprints, or be a beast in the weight room. These are things professional athletes need to do to stay in the condition required to compete at the highest level. We just don't know what the long-term effects of this terrible virus are. Also, keep in mind that the effects vary so much from person to person. Marcus Smart is back playing a much more demanding sport (at least respiratory-wise). But E-Rod and D-Hern were gassed after throwing 20 pitches in the pen.
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