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8/4-8/5 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by cutz on Aug 5, 2020 20:26:58 GMT -5
Can't remember the last time Barnes threw under 10 pitches to get 3 outs.
Good job !
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2020 20:30:54 GMT -5
This Beeks guy looks pretty good. Why can't we get guys like this ?
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 5, 2020 20:37:22 GMT -5
Beeks is striking out everyone to start the season
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 5, 2020 20:47:36 GMT -5
Best game of the year.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2020 21:52:10 GMT -5
Great win! 30 more and we’re all set.
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Post by kjkramer on Aug 5, 2020 22:02:26 GMT -5
First game I couldn't watch this year and they played well. Maybe I am the jinx? Lol. I will watch the complete game now
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Post by cheers on Aug 5, 2020 22:10:43 GMT -5
This is fun for me. Was away doing other stuff during the game, and read the thread from the start of the game (even though I knew the outcome) to the end. Fact: At the end of the game, Chavis is a league average hitter at 1B. SSS at the start of the game, SSS at the end.
SELL HIGH, TRADE HIM TODAY!!!
I'm sure he is a nice kid, and I really really want him to succeed, but he definitely is now in the "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" class.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 5, 2020 22:18:02 GMT -5
This is fun for me. Was away doing other stuff during the game, and read the thread from the start of the game (even though I knew the outcome) to the end. Fact: At the end of the game, Chavis is a league average hitter at 1B. SSS at the start of the game, SSS at the end. SELL HIGH, TRADE HIM TODAY!!! I'm sure he is a nice kid, and I really really want him to succeed, but he definitely is now in the "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" class. Hmmm. What class does that put Beni and JBJ in?
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Post by cheers on Aug 5, 2020 22:29:16 GMT -5
This is fun for me. Was away doing other stuff during the game, and read the thread from the start of the game (even though I knew the outcome) to the end. Fact: At the end of the game, Chavis is a league average hitter at 1B. SSS at the start of the game, SSS at the end. SELL HIGH, TRADE HIM TODAY!!! I'm sure he is a nice kid, and I really really want him to succeed, but he definitely is now in the "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" class. Hmmm. What class does that put Beni and JBJ in? I dunno. Something with sparkly things? I'm only capable of one fact per day.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2020 0:12:05 GMT -5
I'm kinda over people doing that because month by month tells a much different story. His injury in August tanked his numbers. Everyone wants to take away his hot streak, yet act like him playing injured didn't tank his August numbers. 1.061 OPS, .788, .730, .786 and .456 OPS in August. The only month he didn't hit enough for 2B is August while injured. 1B is a different story, yet given Peraza I don't get that. That guy is going to struggle to even have a .730 OPS for a month. So I agree he's not ready for 1B, but he did prove he can hit enough for 2B, it wasn't just one hot streak and then he sucked. The guy they need to move is Moreland. I get why they signed him, yet we aren't going anywhere and he's 34 years old. Time to get ready for next year. Chavis hurt his shoulder diving on Tuesday, August 6 in the 8th inning. He played 4 more games, going 0-for-12 with a walk. He also made an out in an at-bat on the 6th after getting hurt, so it was 0-for-13. May 23-August 6, 8th inning: 245 PA, .254/.306/.404, 36.3% K rate 2019 MLB 2B as a whole: .256/.320/.417, 19.9% K rate As we have been telling you since August, it wasn't the injury. Even if you want to take out his slump at the beginning of August that has nothing to do with an injury, from May 23 to July 31, it's .253/.305/.402 with a 36.9% K rate. He was an averagish-at-best hitter with worrisome strikeout numbers portending further issues from May 23 onward. There's always a flaw to playing the arbitrary endpoints game and I'll give you that. But defending Chavis like the problem was an injury is nuts. He was striking out at a 36 percent clip! That's not sustainable. What? After July 31st game Chavis has an OPS of .797, before the game he gets injured it's .794. Then it drops to .766 over the next five games. Yet his August struggles aren't from the injury? How in the world does that work? Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true! Why in the world are you using May 23? The guy hits .730 and .786 OPS for June and July, yet some how you total .707 OPS. If those numbers are even correct, you're just cherry picking numbers by adding a bad week. I worry about the strikeouts, yet don't give me he didn't show he could hit at 2B. Nevermind this crap about acting like a hot streak shouldn't count. It's what he does, like a Bradley. Do we need to look at Bradley's numbers that takeout his hot streaks? You'd make a darn good case that he should be at high A ball.
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Post by patford on Aug 6, 2020 8:38:17 GMT -5
As bad as the Sox have been if they win today they have the same record as the Rays.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2020 8:45:31 GMT -5
Chavis hurt his shoulder diving on Tuesday, August 6 in the 8th inning. He played 4 more games, going 0-for-12 with a walk. He also made an out in an at-bat on the 6th after getting hurt, so it was 0-for-13. May 23-August 6, 8th inning: 245 PA, .254/.306/.404, 36.3% K rate 2019 MLB 2B as a whole: .256/.320/.417, 19.9% K rate As we have been telling you since August, it wasn't the injury. Even if you want to take out his slump at the beginning of August that has nothing to do with an injury, from May 23 to July 31, it's .253/.305/.402 with a 36.9% K rate. He was an averagish-at-best hitter with worrisome strikeout numbers portending further issues from May 23 onward. There's always a flaw to playing the arbitrary endpoints game and I'll give you that. But defending Chavis like the problem was an injury is nuts. He was striking out at a 36 percent clip! That's not sustainable. What? After July 31st game Chavis has an OPS of .797, before the game he gets injured it's .794. Then it drops to .766 over the next five games. Yet his August struggles aren't from the injury? How in the world does that work? Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true! Why in the world are you using May 23? The guy hits .730 and .786 OPS for June and July, yet some how you total .707 OPS. If those numbers are even correct, you're just cherry picking numbers by adding a bad week. I worry about the strikeouts, yet don't give me he didn't show he could hit at 2B. Nevermind this crap about acting like a hot streak shouldn't count. It's what he does, like a Bradley. Do we need to look at Bradley's numbers that takeout his hot streaks? You'd make a darn good case that he should be at high A ball. I was kind of ready to throw in the towel with Chavis, so I think I did a reverse-whammy on him. Michael Chavis might now hit like Ted Williams for the rest of the season. I still have hopes that he's an above average hitting 2b and can hold his own as the short end of a platoon at 1b, but I have a feeling he could wind up being a guy who's more likely to be dealt away by Bloom.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 8:48:55 GMT -5
As bad as the Sox have been if they win today they have the same record as the Rays. They won't lose today. Book it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2020 8:58:49 GMT -5
As bad as the Sox have been if they win today they have the same record as the Rays. They won't lose today. Book it. I bet you can 100% guarantee it
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Post by patford on Aug 6, 2020 8:59:27 GMT -5
As bad as the Sox have been if they win today they have the same record as the Rays. They won't lose today. Book it. You mean the Sox won't ?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 6, 2020 8:59:44 GMT -5
Chavis hurt his shoulder diving on Tuesday, August 6 in the 8th inning. He played 4 more games, going 0-for-12 with a walk. He also made an out in an at-bat on the 6th after getting hurt, so it was 0-for-13. May 23-August 6, 8th inning: 245 PA, .254/.306/.404, 36.3% K rate 2019 MLB 2B as a whole: .256/.320/.417, 19.9% K rate As we have been telling you since August, it wasn't the injury. Even if you want to take out his slump at the beginning of August that has nothing to do with an injury, from May 23 to July 31, it's .253/.305/.402 with a 36.9% K rate. He was an averagish-at-best hitter with worrisome strikeout numbers portending further issues from May 23 onward. There's always a flaw to playing the arbitrary endpoints game and I'll give you that. But defending Chavis like the problem was an injury is nuts. He was striking out at a 36 percent clip! That's not sustainable. What? After July 31st game Chavis has an OPS of .797, before the game he gets injured it's .794. Then it drops to .766 over the next five games. Yet his August struggles aren't from the injury? How in the world does that work? Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true! Why in the world are you using May 23? The guy hits .730 and .786 OPS for June and July, yet some how you total .707 OPS. If those numbers are even correct, you're just cherry picking numbers by adding a bad week. I worry about the strikeouts, yet don't give me he didn't show he could hit at 2B. Nevermind this crap about acting like a hot streak shouldn't count. It's what he does, like a Bradley. Do we need to look at Bradley's numbers that takeout his hot streaks? You'd make a darn good case that he should be at high A ball. Because it's a well-documented phenomenon that when players first come up, opposing clubs' scouting reports on those players aren't nearly as robust as when they've been up for a while and scouted. Keep in mind that when players are scouted in the minors, it's usually more from a talent evaluation/potential trade target perspective, whereas MLB scouting is more from a how to attack/beat the player perspective. With Chavis, the book getting out on him is even more well documented than most players - hell, even we all know that he can't catch up with elevated velocity at this point. May 23 is fairly arbitrary. I readily admit that! I picked that because the 22nd was the day he hit his 10th home run in 28 games, and he then doesn't hit any home runs in his next 20, striking out 43 times in his next 73 plate appearances. It's guesswork, but it seems pretty clear that's when the league caught up to him. The Astros series on the 24th is the first time he sees a team for the second time since he saw the Rays twice in the first couple weeks after he came up, so that also seems to indicate it'd be a likely time for a team to have a better plan of attack for him. But there's also the narrative of adjusting to the adjustments, so let's take that 20-game slump out as well. He went deep on consecutive games on June 13 and 14, so let's start on the 13th. June 13 - August 6, 8th inning: 167 PA, .280/.323/.472, 32.3% strikeout rate And again, for reference, league avg 2b: .256/.320/.417, 19.9% K rate So he did hit for a good amount more power than MLB 2Bs, and had a similar OBP. So with that in mind, it probably does make sense to get him some more run at 2B, but I am still concerned by two things: 1) The strikeout rate. MLB hitters just don't survive striking out that much. There were 2 MLB hitters who struck out more than 30% of the time last year who qualified for the batting title, Domingo Santana and Rougned Odor. The latter, at least, was told in September he needed to change his approach at the plate or he'd be out of a job. Expanding it to 350 PA, there were 12, and Chavis had the 4th-highest K rate on the list. Unsurprisingly, every player hit at least 15 HR, and the good players are the power hitters you'd expect: Sano, Judge, Teoscar Hernandez, Hunter Renfroe. 2) Injuries. I believe he has suffered at least one injury that has cost him some significant amount of time (or at least would have) in every season since he signed, save maybe for 2015 (a year he played a lot of DH because he and Devers were on the same legendary Drive roster). In 2016 he hurt his thumb, came back, and immediately broke his finger. In 2017 he had an elbow injury that limited him for about 2 months. 2018 oblique injury in camp before he had the 80-game suspension, then missed the AFL because of a sore wrist. Last year his season ended early because of the shoulder injury. Could certainly be bad luck, but 4 years in a row is at least the start of a trend, if not one already. But anyway, it would seem that getting Peraza a rest wouldn't be the worst thing. Given that Chavis hasn't played 2B at all yet, you wonder if it's that they don't like him there defensively? I don't know. It's interesting though.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2020 9:14:03 GMT -5
The Red Sox optioned Chris Mazza and Matt Hall. Kind of surprised Springs stayed up while Mazza went down.
That's good news for Lin who remains a Red Sox at least for now and particularly for Jonathan Arauz who should remain on the roster all year if he's healthy allowing him to remain in the organization.
I should add that if/when Taylor and Hernandez come back that Springs will most likely be optioned and Lin could become a casualty. I really do think the plan is to keep Arauz who at this point has a heckuva lot more upside than Lin.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2020 9:17:57 GMT -5
Beeks is striking out everyone to start the season Redsox always struggle vs players they trade. Scrubs or otherwise.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 6, 2020 9:28:59 GMT -5
Beeks hasn't looked like a scrub against anyone this year for sure.
I was certainly glad to see Verdugo go yard altho it fell short of a moon shot....some 350 foot Yankee Stadium type homer with only 92.5 exit velo. With his hands held low and almost in front of him (clearly not behind like most hitters), I wonder if this significantly saps his load and power potential...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 9:33:13 GMT -5
The Red Sox optioned Chris Mazza and Matt Hall. Kind of surprised Springs stayed up while Mazza went down. That's good news for Lin who remains a Red Sox at least for now and particularly for Jonathan Arauz who should remain on the roster all year if he's healthy allowing him to remain in the organization. I should add that if/when Taylor and Hernandez come back that Springs will most likely be optioned and Lin could become a casualty. I really do think the plan is to keep Arauz who at this point has a heckuva lot more upside than Lin. I hope they keep Arauz and either trade Lin or hope he slips past waivers. Bradford's view: weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/a-roster-rarity-unfolding-with-red-sox-after-latest-movesADD: According to this, the roster will stay at 28 rather than down to 26. So, maybe we can keep Lin, who I like, as well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 9:51:21 GMT -5
Here it is:
MLB Communications @mlb_PR · 12h Following agreement with @mlb_PLAYERS and approval by @mlb Clubs, 28-player rosters will remain in place from tomorrow through end of 2020 season, including the Postseason. Doubleheaders will allow a 29th player, and taxi squads may increase from 3 to 5.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 6, 2020 9:56:43 GMT -5
RedSox(years)Champs was referring to when Taylor and Hernandez come back.
I think they just replace Springs and Osich. We need to keep in mind as well, however, that the 40-man is at 39 without them. The first one can come back for free, but the second will require someone to be removed (ERod is already off as well).
I still think they try to keep Lin though, now that they're not going to have to go down to 26. He'll have value next year when Arauz would (ideally) be back down in Worcester or Portland playing every day.
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2020 10:13:01 GMT -5
Speaker of Taylor: that was a really nice little trade , getting him for Marrero. I’d love to see the Sox focus on those sort of littler trades this season and next to see if they can fill out some pieces on the roster. For example, could a guy like Chatham land a good 7th inning reliever?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 10:17:49 GMT -5
I would think that Hall or Springs would be DFAed on the second one with Lin likely staying put. They will need to do something with the 60 man for both.
ADD: It's also a possibility that Bloom will be looking for useful DFAs today.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 10:39:24 GMT -5
IF THE SEASON IS DOOMED, I would love to see them stretch out Darwinzon to start, especially in light of the uncertainty that is 2021.
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