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8/10-8/13 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 10, 2020 22:41:31 GMT -5
Trade Moreland and let Chavis play everyday Trade Jbj/pillar let Duran play if you think he’s ready Let Houck start In a season like this what do you have to lose? Add. Trade Workman give Darwinzon the closer role Dalbec is ready. |
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 10, 2020 22:41:47 GMT -5
Nice job covey let’s walk this off please
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 10, 2020 22:55:04 GMT -5
Why no Moreland?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 10, 2020 22:55:59 GMT -5
Tom Caron @tomcaron · 8m We're preparing a graphic showing what the price of gas, the number-one song, and the top-grossing film in America were when this game began. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 10, 2020 22:58:37 GMT -5
I want to see Arauz start at 2B tomorrow.
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Post by cutz on Aug 10, 2020 22:59:25 GMT -5
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Post by pedroiaesque on Aug 10, 2020 23:04:01 GMT -5
It really felt like Roenicke wasn’t trying to win this game. I know the pen had put up some innings recently, but there was no sense of urgency. And not PH’ing Moreland or Devers for Chavis? Banged up or not, scheduled day off or not, either of those two should’ve been champing at the bit to get in there.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 10, 2020 23:08:49 GMT -5
Chavis now has the worst whiff percentage of anyone with 50+ swings this season. Can't be whiffing on meatballs like this...
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 10, 2020 23:18:19 GMT -5
you don't officially suck until Fangraphs thinks you're less likely than the Tigers to make the playoffs
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 10, 2020 23:56:05 GMT -5
In the tank trophy category, the Sox have moved back into 3rd place.
The two ahead of them, the Angels who have been playing better recently and the Pirates who look like they intend to sew this up early.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 0:14:14 GMT -5
Methinks I've seen enough of Peraza to know there's no future there. I'd like to see the Sox release him, give Chavis the bulk of his 2B time and call up Dalbec to platoon with Moreland.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 0:22:46 GMT -5
Ty Buttrey is throwing 97-98 MPH 4 seam strikes for the Angels. Why can't we get guys like that ?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 11, 2020 1:05:25 GMT -5
Ty Buttrey is throwing 97-98 MPH 4 seam strikes for the Angels. Why can't we get guys like that ? Jewel of the 2012 draft and looked like it then, just took him how many years to realize the potential? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2020 1:23:33 GMT -5
I get going after guys and hoping they improve. I don't get Peraza playing full-time like he's some high upside guy. He's a platoon infielder and he's not even a good utility guy because his D isn't that good at many positions.
It's time to sell off guys if you can and start playing the young guys.
Time for player development and getting a top five pick.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 11, 2020 3:22:27 GMT -5
I get going after guys and hoping they improve. I don't get Peraza playing full-time like he's some high upside guy. He's a platoon infielder and he's not even a good utility guy because his D isn't that good at many positions. It's time to sell off guys if you can and start playing the young guys. Time for player development and getting a top five pick. Who does that entail exactly tho? Let Chavis play, along with Dalbec, then Mata and Houck as pitchers? Who else is ready? Doubts on Mata being so as it is and think Duran needs more time pre MLB. Not sure Shawarayn is a MLB pitcher. Who exactly can they give chances to? Am of thought that cleaning out current crop of mid relievers and replacing several with a Leyer, Shawarayn wouldn't hurt. Even Tapaia. better than some we've been seeing get hammered on every appearance basis of late. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2020 3:52:42 GMT -5
It really felt like Roenicke wasn’t trying to win this game. I know the pen had put up some innings recently, but there was no sense of urgency. And not PH’ing Moreland or Devers for Chavis? Banged up or not, scheduled day off or not, either of those two should’ve been champing at the bit to get in there. Pinch-hitting is hard.
And Mitch Moreland is unbelievably good at it. Overall career 767 OPS, but 848 as a PH (112 PA). And he wasn't any good at it early in his career.
What else?
In the first two months of the seasons, in his Red Sox career, he's been a top 20 or 25 hitter in MLB against RHP.
He's 4th in MLB in Win Probability Added, and appears to be leading it in WPA / PA by a huge margin. He's a career +3 wins in FanGraph's "Clutch" metric.
What else? Oh, yeah, we're playing the team directly ahead of is the standings, which makes it doubly important, and every game this year is already worth 2.7x, so the game Leverage Index is 5.4 and, and the situation was 3.8, so the overall LI there was 20.5.
Moreland doesn't even play regularly. Not hitting him here was, I think, less defensible than anything Farrell ever did.
I had been unimpressed so far by Roenicke, but this ... OMFG.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 11, 2020 7:18:58 GMT -5
They honestly didn't play that bad last night. The offense is solid. But they should really look into trading JBJ Moreland JD and probably Vazquez and seeing what they have in the minors. Target young pitching and upper minor league OFers. They aren't going to get Jo Adell or anyone crazy for any of their chips. But maybe someone on the tier below for say JD. I'd like to see Wong get burn before the end of the season.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 7:58:36 GMT -5
Wong coming up is way too aggressive.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2020 8:23:04 GMT -5
Officially on team tank until this team can get to .500. Each game is worth a little more than 2 games. There's not a lot of time to make up ground. It's good to see most of the team starting to hit. The only 2 people I care about watching this year is Verdugo (for Mookie return) and Moreland (can he win an MVP in a 60 game season?)
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 11, 2020 8:42:04 GMT -5
Wong coming up is way too aggressive. I understand its apples and oranges but Arauz would be at the same spot as Wong if he wasn't selected in the Rule 5 draft. I wouldn't see the harm in bringing him up as the backup catcher if the return was really good for Vazquez. Guys that should go include Workman, JBJ, JD, Vazquez, Barnes, Moreland and Pillar. Get what you can for them and give others a shot and reload in the offseason. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2020 8:46:38 GMT -5
Wong coming up is way too aggressive. I understand its apples and oranges but Arauz would be at the same spot as Wong if he wasn't selected in the Rule 5 draft. I wouldn't see the harm in bringing him up as the backup catcher if the return was really good for Vazquez. Guys that should go include Workman, JBJ, JD, Vazquez, Barnes, Moreland and Pillar. Get what you can for them and give others a shot and reload in the offseason. Vazquez is two years running of being about an .800 OPS catcher who is great behind the plate. He is 29 though. I'm not sure if I would trade him if I'm trying to compete in 2021. Anyone can be moved for the right price though. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 9:03:08 GMT -5
Wong coming up is way too aggressive. I understand its apples and oranges but Arauz would be at the same spot as Wong if he wasn't selected in the Rule 5 draft. I wouldn't see the harm in bringing him up as the backup catcher if the return was really good for Vazquez. Guys that should go include Workman, JBJ, JD, Vazquez, Barnes, Moreland and Pillar. Get what you can for them and give others a shot and reload in the offseason. Re: Arouz and Wong. If Arouz was major league ready as a 22 year old, he wouldn't have been available in the Rule 5 draft. One good game doesn't make him major league ready, we know nothing about how pitchers will adjust. The only reason he is here is because of Rule 5. He likely wouldn't have made the 60 man otherwise. He's unlikely to be in Boston next season, Portland is more likely. For both Arauz and Wong, they are far better off getting everyday playing time than being the 28th man in the majors. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2020 9:15:16 GMT -5
What a bad season it is to lose someone to the Rule 5 draft.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 9:20:14 GMT -5
It really felt like Roenicke wasn’t trying to win this game. I know the pen had put up some innings recently, but there was no sense of urgency. And not PH’ing Moreland or Devers for Chavis? Banged up or not, scheduled day off or not, either of those two should’ve been champing at the bit to get in there. Pinch-hitting is hard. And Mitch Moreland is unbelievably good at it. Overall career 767 OPS, but 848 as a PH (112 PA). And he wasn't any good at it early in his career.
What else? In the first two months of the seasons, in his Red Sox career, he's been a top 20 or 25 hitter in MLB against RHP. He's 4th in MLB in Win Probability Added, and appears to be leading it in WPA / PA by a huge margin. He's a career +3 wins in FanGraph's "Clutch" metric.
What else? Oh, yeah, we're playing the team directly ahead of is the standings, which makes it doubly important, and every game this year is already worth 2.7x, so the game Leverage Index is 5.4 and, and the situation was 3.8, so the overall LI there was 20.5.
Moreland doesn't even play regularly. Not hitting him here was, I think, less defensible than anything Farrell ever did. I had been unimpressed so far by Roenicke, but this ... OMFG.
“Mitch wasn’t available tonight,” Roenicke told reporters during his postgame Zoom press conference. “He came in, his knee was bugging him after that day game yesterday. … I knew the whole way I wasn’t going to use him today.” Read more at: nesn.com/2020/08/red-sox-notes-mitch-moreland-rafael-devers-both-unavailable-in-loss/?utm_source=NESN&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=bottom |
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 11, 2020 9:44:38 GMT -5
I understand its apples and oranges but Arauz would be at the same spot as Wong if he wasn't selected in the Rule 5 draft. I wouldn't see the harm in bringing him up as the backup catcher if the return was really good for Vazquez. Guys that should go include Workman, JBJ, JD, Vazquez, Barnes, Moreland and Pillar. Get what you can for them and give others a shot and reload in the offseason. Re: Arouz and Wong. If Arouz was major league ready as a 22 year old, he wouldn't have been available in the Rule 5 draft. One good game doesn't make him major league ready, we know nothing about how pitchers will adjust. The only reason he is here is because of Rule 5. He likely wouldn't have made the 60 man otherwise. He's unlikely to be in Boston next season, Portland is more likely. For both Arauz and Wong, they are far better off getting everyday playing time than being the 28th man in the majors. =========================================================== Disagree partially. All minor leaguers are essentially loosing a year of development this year, so sitting as the 28th man is still better than sitting at home. While the results haven't been there for Arouz (except for yesterday) at the plate, what I have seen is a kid who doesn't look out of place on either side of the ball, solid defender, giving good professional at bats. I do think we should start trading some or all of the above. I do like Moreland, but I never understood why we re-upped him with so many 1B/3B types in our pipeline. I also can't abide by the move Chavis to 2B comments up in the thread, in my mind Chavis needs to be optioned to the travel squad, every time I see him in the lineup, I can permanent marker K's in his four at bats. He's looking more and more like Will Middlebrooks, had a great introduction and then became an also ran. I'd much prefer to see Arouz at 2B in a rotation will Lin, Peraza etc. If it were me, I trade JBJ, JD, Workman, Barnes for what you can get, and give Duran a shot for the remainder of the year to audition for that CF role, I keep Pillar as a solid veteran influence in that OF, and Moreland for the same reason on the clay, bring up Dalbec and see what he could do. Now, if you want to get real wild and speculative, and it's something I've debated internally, would anyone trade Bogey (Team Friendly Contract) to the highest bidder in the offseason and make a significant run at Lindor in FA. Or would you make a significant run at Lindor in FA anyways and try to move Bogey off SS? |
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