shagworthy
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 23, 2020 16:00:37 GMT -5
How long of a leash does he get before we start looking at other options? Play him everyday once mitch gets shipped out. Give him a captains hat and make him the tank commander
I haven't seen a major league hitter so pathetic against fastballs since their union leader Tony Clark plied his trade in Boston. Until he closes that hole in his swing against ANY fastball he shouldn't sniff the major leagues again this year. Except for that hot streak he had about a week ago, he is pretty much a guaranteed out right now.
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Post by juanfatj on Aug 23, 2020 17:01:55 GMT -5
Roenicke killing Verdugo's hitting streak in a meaningless game I'm not quite sure why he wasn't in the lineup today with the off day tomorrow. Makes no sense. kid is 24, and you know he wanted to be in the game. One positive is if he was we probably win the game the way he has been raking.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 23, 2020 17:11:20 GMT -5
Chavis now rocking a 3% BB rate and a 42% K rate this year. yikes! can't trade him for much at this point, but his profile is so unlikely to be productive going forward without huge changes. Chavis has no trade value. I guess they could keep him around in AAA to see if he can figure out how to hit a decent fastball. He's pretty much a closed book at the moment. I don't see any point in giving him MLB playing time. Update from Pawtucket:Chavis went 3-15 against the batting tee, with 8 K's
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 23, 2020 17:47:33 GMT -5
Roenicke killing Verdugo's hitting streak in a meaningless game I'm not quite sure why he wasn't in the lineup today with the off day tomorrow. Makes no sense. kid is 24, and you know he wanted to be in the game. One positive is if he was we probably win the game the way he has been raking. The walk saves the hitting streak for another day. A sacrifice or sacrifice fly I believe would have ended it but not a walk.
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Post by manfred on Aug 23, 2020 17:58:25 GMT -5
I like kicking a guy when he is down as much as the next guy, but the joke is kind on us. It was just over a year ago Chavis was the #1 prospect on the team. That might be a good indication of how much work Bloom has on his hands. And it is why (besides the fact that he is a kid and he actually seems to be a hard worker) I hope Chavis can snap out.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 23, 2020 19:14:42 GMT -5
I like kicking a guy when he is down as much as the next guy, but the joke is kind on us. It was just over a year ago Chavis was the #1 prospect on the team. That might be a good indication of how much work Bloom has on his hands. And it is why (besides the fact that he is a kid and he actually seems to be a hard worker) I hope Chavis can snap out. It's not even kicking a guy when he's down, this is who and what he is. He had 1 standout minor league season, and then got suspended. Dude's a dead asset
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 23, 2020 20:27:20 GMT -5
To me, a shame, I like Dalbec over Chavis but I was hoping we could package him in a trade. I'm not sure why they don't just option him and hope he can figure it out. We've got 2B adequately covered with or without him.
If we call up Dalbec or any other first timer, we are past super two time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 23, 2020 20:43:58 GMT -5
I was not a fan of Perez before the season, but he’s looked good. If they have an option, I’d still shop him but with a higher price. I don’t know what he’d look like over a full season (he declined last year... I know, not a perfect arc, more up and down), but if he has a strong first half, he’d pair well with Sale. Anyway, a relatively cheap bird in the hand is better than, er, something in the bush? If they let him go, they’ll need to find someone much like him. ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, 1/2Sale, maybe Mata and/or Pivetta + TBA between trades and signings is not a championship rotation, but it is more competitive than this year. It is also far more interesting to watch. I 100% agree that we shouldn't just give Perez away. You can count on him to throw strikes, and he has looked really good to me. Add in his cheap contract and unless blown away on an offer for him he should stay. Perez is pretty clearly well within the range of returning a top 100 prospect. Add money and a lesser chip and we could come away with 2 top 100's.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 23, 2020 21:03:42 GMT -5
I 100% agree that we shouldn't just give Perez away. You can count on him to throw strikes, and he has looked really good to me. Add in his cheap contract and unless blown away on an offer for him he should stay. Perez is pretty clearly well within the range of returning a top 100 prospect. Add money and a lesser chip and we could come away with 2 top 100's. Lmao, Martin Perez is more likely to return you a top 100 prospect from 2002 than 2020
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Post by patford on Aug 24, 2020 7:40:39 GMT -5
With Chavis the reason he was highly ranked is he hit for average and power. What is weird to me is a hole that big hadn't been obvious before he got to MLB. No doubt MLB has more advanced analysis but there are a lot of experienced and highly regarded scouts who watch the minor leagues and Chavis' inability to hit a high fastball should have been observable.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2020 8:49:19 GMT -5
With Chavis the reason he was highly ranked is he hit for average and power. What is weird to me is a hole that big hadn't been obvious before he got to MLB. No doubt MLB has more advanced analysis but there are a lot of experienced and highly regarded scouts who watch the minor leagues and Chavis' inability to hit a high fastball should have been observable. 1) MLB scouting is light years ahead of minor league scouting. Minor league scouts are evaluating talent, not necessarily looking for ways to beat a guy. That shifts somewhat when a guy gets to, say, AAA, but consider that Chavis got all of 29 games in Pawtucket. 2) MLB pitchers are better able to understand, incorporate and execute game plans. Chavis vs. 4-seam fastballs this year. Keep it up and away from him and he's dead.
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Post by patford on Aug 24, 2020 9:04:25 GMT -5
With Chavis the reason he was highly ranked is he hit for average and power. What is weird to me is a hole that big hadn't been obvious before he got to MLB. No doubt MLB has more advanced analysis but there are a lot of experienced and highly regarded scouts who watch the minor leagues and Chavis' inability to hit a high fastball should have been observable. 1) MLB scouting is light years ahead of minor league scouting. Minor league scouts are evaluating talent, not necessarily looking for ways to beat a guy. That shifts somewhat when a guy gets to, say, AAA, but consider that Chavis got all of 29 games in Pawtucket. 2) MLB pitchers are better able to understand, incorporate and execute game plans. Chavis vs. 4-seam fastballs this year. Keep it up and away from him and he's dead. Interesting that he seems capable high and tight. That might indicate it's more of swing path issue than his reflexes just not being quick enough to catch up with a FB. As far as the scouting goes, I'm aware but in this case the hole is so glaring that I'd have thought someone like Ian would have noticed this if they saw him a half dozen times.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 24, 2020 9:11:21 GMT -5
With Chavis the reason he was highly ranked is he hit for average and power. What is weird to me is a hole that big hadn't been obvious before he got to MLB. No doubt MLB has more advanced analysis but there are a lot of experienced and highly regarded scouts who watch the minor leagues and Chavis' inability to hit a high fastball should have been observable. 1) MLB scouting is light years ahead of minor league scouting. Minor league scouts are evaluating talent, not necessarily looking for ways to beat a guy. That shifts somewhat when a guy gets to, say, AAA, but consider that Chavis got all of 29 games in Pawtucket. 2) MLB pitchers are better able to understand, incorporate and execute game plans. Chavis vs. 4-seam fastballs this year. Keep it up and away from him and he's dead. New walk up song for him?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2020 10:52:10 GMT -5
1) MLB scouting is light years ahead of minor league scouting. Minor league scouts are evaluating talent, not necessarily looking for ways to beat a guy. That shifts somewhat when a guy gets to, say, AAA, but consider that Chavis got all of 29 games in Pawtucket. 2) MLB pitchers are better able to understand, incorporate and execute game plans. Chavis vs. 4-seam fastballs this year. Keep it up and away from him and he's dead. Interesting that he seems capable high and tight. That might indicate it's more of swing path issue than his reflexes just not being quick enough to catch up with a FB. As far as the scouting goes, I'm aware but in this case the hole is so glaring that I'd have thought someone like Ian would have noticed this if they saw him a half dozen times. Fair, but it could also be that MLB-quality velo up is what he can't handle as opposed to AA-quality velo up.
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Post by patford on Aug 24, 2020 11:43:50 GMT -5
Interesting that he seems capable high and tight. That might indicate it's more of swing path issue than his reflexes just not being quick enough to catch up with a FB. As far as the scouting goes, I'm aware but in this case the hole is so glaring that I'd have thought someone like Ian would have noticed this if they saw him a half dozen times. Fair, but it could also be that MLB-quality velo up is what he can't handle as opposed to AA-quality velo up. There's a weird L shape to his success. Isn't "up and in" generally where batters really show a weakness against velocity? And yet he handles that quite well. It's up and away that he can't hit and I've always thought there is a little more reaction time away as opposed to in. Anyhow it looks like the problem might be mechanical, curable, rather than him just not being fast twitchy enough to catch up with velocity, which isn't curable.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 24, 2020 19:36:27 GMT -5
He is literally 1 for 1 in the spot you're talking about. I don't think there's anything you can take away from that other than him getting a hit once.
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Post by Coreno on Aug 24, 2020 20:59:53 GMT -5
He is literally 1 for 1 in the spot you're talking about. I don't think there's anything you can take away from that other than him getting a hit once. That's high and away, outside the zone, no?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 24, 2020 21:08:05 GMT -5
He is literally 1 for 1 in the spot you're talking about. I don't think there's anything you can take away from that other than him getting a hit once. That's high and away, outside the zone, no? Middle middle is a bit odd.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2020 21:58:41 GMT -5
He is literally 1 for 1 in the spot you're talking about. I don't think there's anything you can take away from that other than him getting a hit once. That's high and away, outside the zone, no? Yup. James, that's catcher's point of view. He's talking about up-and-in in the zone.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 25, 2020 7:33:42 GMT -5
Ah, gotcha.
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Post by patford on Aug 25, 2020 8:07:47 GMT -5
Yeah the 1 for 1 high and outside is the very definition of a small sample size. It's easily dismissed when you look at everything around it.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 25, 2020 8:19:41 GMT -5
Yeah the 1 for 1 high and outside is the very definition of a small sample size. It's easily dismissed when you look at everything around it. What's worse is he's hitting a robust .118 when the ball is right down the middle of the plate.
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