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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2020 15:18:26 GMT -5
Why do you have to try & spin what I’ve posted into something that I didn’t say? This, I believe, is an accurate description of where the current teams make up of SP stands. Where the current players should slot into and what is missing. How did I spin it? You listed four acquisitions pitching in front of Rodriguez, Eovaldi and Perez. Literally the next post thought you said the same thing! I still have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. What four acquisitions would you like them to make such that Eovaldi goes to, I dunno, Worcester I guess? You're underestimating dmaineah's complete unreasonableness. What he's saying is, ERod has the talent of a #5 starter, and to field an adequate starting rotation the Red Sox would need to add 4 starters who are better than him (including both a #1 starter and an ace). The point is not to predict what they will do, it's to state what they are certain to fail to do. That way dmaineah's opinion of Bloom will be justified.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 16:15:57 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the place to discuss this, but what do people expect Bauer to get in free agency? Obviously he's been terrific this year, but prior to that he's really only had one season where I'd consider him to be #1 starter material. Maybe around what Lester got (6 years, $155 million plus a team option for a 7th year)? EDIT: Just realized that Bauer has claimed he'll only be signing 1 year deals in free agency moving forward. We'll see if he sticks with that once the big offers start coming his way, but if he actually does, that seems like an ideal scenario for the Red Sox. If the luxury tax resets and ownership doesn't care about how much money they spend, overpay for him for a year and see what you got! Bauer on a 1 year deal would be a nice pickup but if they are doing a long-term rebuild, I can imagine there would be at least 15 other teams knocking down his door willing to make a lucrative 1 year commitment. Unless the Sox give him $35 million for the year why would he want to go to a rebuilding situation in Boston when he can go to a team well into their contention window? If he's taking one year deals, it's all about the money right?
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Post by soxinnj on Aug 20, 2020 16:39:16 GMT -5
Ace - Acquisition #1 - Acquisition #2 - Acquisition #3 - Acquisition #4 - E. Rod #5 - Eovaldi #6 - Perez (if his option is picked up) Isn’t this a more accurate description of the state of the SP for the start of 2021? Last time I checked, your “Ace” would qualify as your “#1” So only 3 acquisitions needed? Still an absurd request
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 20, 2020 16:59:46 GMT -5
Isn't anyone going to list our number 3 prospect as a starter on next years team? If not in April, shortly after?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 17:20:20 GMT -5
Isn't anyone going to list our number 3 prospect as a starter on next years team? If not in April, shortly after? Ideally he's just depth when talking about 2021. Heck not even #6 starter because you want him to earn his promotion. Not be forced to rush him because of injuries. Yet that's just what I would do.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 17:21:37 GMT -5
Isn't anyone going to list our number 3 prospect as a starter on next years team? If not in April, shortly after? Ideally he's just depth when talking about 2021. Heck not even #6 starter because you want him to earn his promotion. Not be forced to rush him because of injuries. Yet that's just what I would do. Yeah, he threw about 100 innings last year, fewer this year. He’d have to he on a really tight innings watch.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 20, 2020 17:38:25 GMT -5
Bauer on a 1 year deal would be a nice pickup but if they are doing a long-term rebuild, I can imagine there would be at least 15 other teams knocking down his door willing to make a lucrative 1 year commitment. Unless the Sox give him $35 million for the year why would he want to go to a rebuilding situation in Boston when he can go to a team well into their contention window? Pass on Bauer. Can’t listen to him for a year. If he's even 75% of how good he's pitching this year I'll put up with it.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 17:43:58 GMT -5
Pass on Bauer. Can’t listen to him for a year. If he's even 75% of how good he's pitching this year I'll put up with it. He’d have to be about 275% for me to put up with it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2020 17:46:50 GMT -5
How did I spin it? You listed four acquisitions pitching in front of Rodriguez, Eovaldi and Perez. Literally the next post thought you said the same thing! I still have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. What four acquisitions would you like them to make such that Eovaldi goes to, I dunno, Worcester I guess? Well you know if Bloom can't unearth 3 aces to put in front of E-Rod (I think Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine are available!), then demainah will tell you that's a good reason to fire Bloom. He also needs to unearth them from the waiver wire. He can't spend any money. Get the next Pedro Martinez for a PTBNL or he should be fired.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 17:53:08 GMT -5
If he's even 75% of how good he's pitching this year I'll put up with it. He’d have to be about 275% for me to put up with it. It makes 100% for one year, even if it cost a ton. He 1 fits your biggest need and 2 if it doesn't workout next year could be a huge trade chip. It's still unlikely, but it's only one year. The bigger issue is getting guys to sign, one year contracts for Pitchers in Fenway isn't ideal for any pitcher. Yet DH in National League might help with that a little.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 17:53:31 GMT -5
Well you know if Bloom can't unearth 3 aces to put in front of E-Rod (I think Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine are available!), then demainah will tell you that's a good reason to fire Bloom. He also needs to unearth them from the waiver wire. He can't spend any money. Get the next Pedro Martinez for a PTBNL or he should be fired. I might take the last Pedro Martinez at this point!
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Post by juanfatj on Aug 20, 2020 18:34:10 GMT -5
1. Alex Verdugo LF 2. Rafael Devers 3B 3. JD Martinez DH 4. Xander Bogaerts SS 5. Mitch Moreland 1B 6. Christian Vázquez C 7. Kevin Pillar RF 8. Jackie Bradley Jr CF 9. Jose Peraza 2B SP. Nathan Eovaldi
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 19:01:29 GMT -5
Eovaldi’s hittableness never ceases to amaze me. Most of baseball history, a guy who easily threw 98 could just pump it by hitters. But he just so rarely seems capable of clean innings.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 19:11:02 GMT -5
Is it worth trying to resign Pillar if it is ~$5 million? I could live with him as CF if/when JBJ is gone.
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Post by patford on Aug 20, 2020 19:12:27 GMT -5
Eovaldi’s hittableness never ceases to amaze me. Most of baseball history, a guy who easily threw 98 could just pump it by hitters. But he just so rarely seems capable of clean innings. Trade him to the Yankees and it would be a totally different story. He, like all Sox pitchers, never get the key borderline calls. See Jordan Montgomery. Is there anyone here who thinks Jordan Montgomery's ERA would not balloon to 9.00 if he was pitching for the Sox ? The same goes for the hitters. It's the borderline calls in the key counts. Dumb "season" with moronic rules... but no electronic balls and strikes.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 19:17:12 GMT -5
Arauz has started one game since they said they would give him a shot.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2020 19:19:53 GMT -5
Your taxi squad for this trip is apparently IF CJ Chatham, LHP Jeffrey Springs, RHP Robert Stock, and C Jett Bandy
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2020 19:21:02 GMT -5
Arauz has started one game since they said they would give him a shot. They won a game and are looking to keep the streak alive.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 19:22:12 GMT -5
Eovaldi’s hittableness never ceases to amaze me. Most of baseball history, a guy who easily threw 98 could just pump it by hitters. But he just so rarely seems capable of clean innings. Trade him to the Yankees and it would be a totally different story. He, like all Sox pitchers, never get the key borderline calls. See Jordan Montgomery. Is there anyone here who thinks Jordan Montgomery's ERA would not balloon to 9.00 if he was pitching for the Sox ? The same goes for the hitters. It's the borderline calls in the key counts. Dumb "season" with moronic rules... but no electronic balls and strikes. I think it is more than that. I really think he does not have the variety of a legit starter. He lacks a pitch that mixes velocities enough to keep guys from keying in on his fastball, and his main pitches don’t change planes enough to get enough swings and misses. He can get bad contact, but that allows guys to stay alive or at least get balls in play. His lack of a reliable curve or changeup makes 98 more hittable than it should be. I feel like this Oriole junkballer is able to pump fastballs by guys better based on his mix. I’d love to see Eovaldi throw some show me curves, even bouncing them, to give guys a thought about something slower. Add: there it was! First pitch of the second. More more more!!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2020 19:24:43 GMT -5
Eovaldi’s hittableness never ceases to amaze me. Most of baseball history, a guy who easily threw 98 could just pump it by hitters. But he just so rarely seems capable of clean innings. Trade him to the Yankees and it would be a totally different story. He, like all Sox pitchers, never get the key borderline calls. See Jordan Montgomery. Is there anyone here who thinks Jordan Montgomery's ERA would not balloon to 9.00 if he was pitching for the Sox ? The same goes for the hitters. It's the borderline calls in the key counts. Dumb "season" with moronic rules... but no electronic balls and strikes. Are we forgetting the Eovaldi used to play for the Yankees?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 19:29:00 GMT -5
How often do you see consecutive bunts ? I wonder why.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 19:36:10 GMT -5
Bloom must not trade Xander.
I don’t want to have to repeat myself.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 19:41:45 GMT -5
Bloom must not trade Xander. I don’t want to have to repeat myself. Bloom pretty much said yesterday Xander and Devers are considered cornerstones.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 19:46:34 GMT -5
Bloom must not trade Xander. I don’t want to have to repeat myself. Bloom pretty much said yesterday Xander and Devers are considered cornerstones. Acceptable. I am glad I have his ear.
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Post by patford on Aug 20, 2020 20:17:12 GMT -5
Bloom must not trade Xander. I don’t want to have to repeat myself. Bloom pretty much said yesterday Xander and Devers are considered cornerstones. With Devers, Verdugo, Vazquez, Downs and Bogaerts the Sox have a really strong base to build on. Add to that the possibilities of Duran, Dalbec, Casas and a revived Benintendi, a better than he's been in years Sale, a top draft pick and a reset cap and I think the Sox can be right back in the thick of things in 2022. Maybe I'm overrating Downs but by all accounts he's at least a MLB regular 2B.
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