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8/20-8/23 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 20, 2020 20:30:06 GMT -5
I’m digging some Nate Eovaldi tonight!
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 20:52:19 GMT -5
Bloom pretty much said yesterday Xander and Devers are considered cornerstones. With Devers, Verdugo, Vazquez, Downs and Bogaerts the Sox have a really strong base to build on. Add to that the possibilities of Duran, Dalbec, Casas and a revived Benintendi, a better than he's been in years Sale, a top draft pick and a reset cap and I think the Sox can be right back in the thick of things in 2022. Maybe I'm overrating Downs but by all accounts he's at least a MLB regular 2B. Man that is optimistic. Downs as part of a foundation? Has he played at AAA yet? And Vazquez has been above 100 OPS+ once and turns 30 tomorrow. Basically, we have to hope Devers is, in fact, the superduperstar he looked like last year. I don’t mean this can’t be the case, but for a foundation there are more questions than answers. But there seems little doubt that they need at least one more premiere offensive player and a few well-above average pitchers.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 21:14:46 GMT -5
With Devers, Verdugo, Vazquez, Downs and Bogaerts the Sox have a really strong base to build on. Add to that the possibilities of Duran, Dalbec, Casas and a revived Benintendi, a better than he's been in years Sale, a top draft pick and a reset cap and I think the Sox can be right back in the thick of things in 2022. Maybe I'm overrating Downs but by all accounts he's at least a MLB regular 2B. Man that is optimistic. Downs as part of a foundation? Has he played at AAA yet? And Vazquez has been above 100 OPS+ once and turns 30 tomorrow. Basically, we have to hope Devers is, in fact, the superduperstar he looked like last year. I don’t mean this can’t be the case, but for a foundation there are more questions than answers. But there seems little doubt that they need at least one more premiere offensive player and a few well-above average pitchers. He also didn't mention ERod. I don't think most share your extreme pessimistic viewpoint, he said 2022. I'll go with this millennium's history here. . . . Tom Caron @tomcaron · 10m For the first time this season a Red Sox starting pitcher has come back out for the 7th inning.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 20, 2020 21:16:10 GMT -5
Perfect timing by Eovaldi to pitch a good game
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 21:28:30 GMT -5
Braisier ? Hope it works but....
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 21:31:48 GMT -5
Waiting to see if Verdugo extends his 7 game streak with an XBH. Not bad for a guy that only hits grounders.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 21:56:07 GMT -5
Man that is optimistic. Downs as part of a foundation? Has he played at AAA yet? And Vazquez has been above 100 OPS+ once and turns 30 tomorrow. Basically, we have to hope Devers is, in fact, the superduperstar he looked like last year. I don’t mean this can’t be the case, but for a foundation there are more questions than answers. But there seems little doubt that they need at least one more premiere offensive player and a few well-above average pitchers. He also didn't mention ERod. I don't think most share your extreme pessimistic viewpoint, he said 2022. I'll go with this millennium's history here. . . . Tom Caron @tomcaron · 10m For the first time this season a Red Sox starting pitcher has come back out for the 7th inning. I just count on what I know. We’ve seen Devers and Xander bludgeon major league pitching into submission. Guys who project distantly in the future are dreams not foundations. ERod I accept. If JDM stays and doesn’t age suddenly could be a foundation for 2022. I don’t think it is pessimism so much as caution. How can I assume Casas is a foundation and not Lars Anderson? I prefer simply to set him aside and say “wouldn’t it be wonderful?”
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 22:07:38 GMT -5
Ugh. The Sox are now behind Pittsburgh and Seattle, and the Angels are nipping at their heels.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 22:16:30 GMT -5
Ugh. The Sox are now behind Pittsburgh and Seattle, and the Angels are nipping at their heels. The trade deadline is likely to change the entire picture. Moreland is now OPSing 1.288
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 22:19:54 GMT -5
For the Angels/SF series I want SF to win. They are likelier sellers than the Angels.
At this point I am rooting for what's best at the trade deadline. I'll worry about the draft in September.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 20, 2020 22:33:15 GMT -5
Waiting to see if Verdugo extends his 7 game streak with an XBH. Not bad for a guy that only hits grounders. That's what we're pretty much stuck with this year.. Looking for small, personal accomplishments with such a rotten MLB product on the field. In earlier seasons this decade when the on field product was poor, many of us could take heart by watching the sox(and other) miLB kids as they advanced and got better, only this season it's just this awful team and as you posted. Hoping for small streaks, waiting for the 1 decent starter (Eovaldi) to get his turn on the hill etc.. This is worse than years before MiLB tv came around since local teams also down as is obvious and no outlet there. Maybe the worst in years from a long time fan of Boston and the game in general.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 22:41:50 GMT -5
We don't want to see these teams become sellers:
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale · 37m Those feel-good stories of #Marlins, #Tigers, #Orioles and #Rockies, who were defying our imagination just a week ago, have now lost 23 games in a row. #reality
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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2020 22:42:24 GMT -5
Winning streak, here we go!
Season goals are simple:
1. Trade for prospects at deadline. 2. Sneak into the playoffs. 3. Knock the Yankees out in the first round. 4. Draft a Tatis-level talent with the 15th pick or whatever.
See some of you are rooting for losses, but I'm gonna have my cake and eat it too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 22:59:13 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo · 39m Colten Brewer will start tomm.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 23:03:10 GMT -5
Some contrast.
Winning streak here we come!
Colton Brewer starts tomorrow!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 23:09:56 GMT -5
Some contrast. Winning streak here we come! Colton Brewer starts tomorrow! Not really, he's been pretty consistent and the relievers got a break today. Plus the Orioles are still bad.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 21, 2020 1:38:14 GMT -5
Some contrast. Winning streak here we come! Colton Brewer starts tomorrow! Not really, he's been pretty consistent and the relievers got a break today. Plus the Orioles are still bad. As of late, he's been tremendously consistent. His last four outings have xwOBA of .470, .427, .413, and .427.
This would appear to be another bullpen game. I suspect and hope we'll see Darwinzon after him.
History of this spot in the rotation:
Osich + (a bit later) Godley Brice + Hall (Godley and Hall having swapped as 4th starter) Brasier + Brewer (3 IP)
Brewer (6th rotation spot; 2.2 IP, bullpen game)
Mazza + Weber (3 IP each)
In none of these was a reliever who pitched 2 inning or less followed immediately by a bulk guy who went more than 3. So they really have not used the opener strategy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 21, 2020 2:27:14 GMT -5
Not really, he's been pretty consistent and the relievers got a break today. Plus the Orioles are still bad. As of late, he's been tremendously consistent. His last four outings have xwOBA of .470, .427, .413, and .427. This would appear to be another bullpen game. I suspect and hope we'll see Darwinzon after him.
History of this spot in the rotation: Osich + (a bit later) Godley Brice + Hall (Godley and Hall having swapped as 4th starter) Brasier + Brewer (3 IP)
Brewer (6th rotation spot; 2.2 IP, bullpen game)
Mazza + Weber (3 IP each)
In none of these was a reliever who pitched 2 inning or less followed immediately by a bulk guy who went more than 3. So they really have not used the opener strategy.
They had Brewer stretched to 3 innings in summer camp, Darwinzon to 3 innings at the alt. site.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2020 9:09:56 GMT -5
Great win. If they are serious about being competitive next year, Bloom will keep Eovaldi unless he gets a substantial return with at least one near MLB-ready every day talent or #2-3 starters - the later of which is highly doubtful. There is opportunity with both Springer and Realmuto on the block in the off-season, but retaining good pitching will be the key. No one knows how Sale will be which leaves you with ERod, Eovaldi and...nothing.
There is no near-MLB-ready starter in the minors who is projected to be much more than a #5 - and as we've seen, even the relievers they have are mostly dreck. I'm not sure there is a pitcher out there on the free-agent market this winter who is worth a 3-year deal except maybe Odorizzi, and he'll want a minimum of 5. Unless Bauer actually sticks to his statements about wanting to go forward on one-year deals, I don't think there's a guy out there who will be better than a healthy Eovaldi. I know, "healthy," but they're pitchers. They all seem to go down.
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 9:23:45 GMT -5
Great win. If they are serious about being competitive next year, Bloom will keep Eovaldi unless he gets a substantial return with at least one near MLB-ready every day talent or #2-3 starters - the later of which is highly doubtful. There is opportunity with both Springer and Realmuto on the block in the off-season, but retaining good pitching will be the key. No one knows how Sale will be which leaves you with ERod, Eovaldi and...nothing. There is no near-MLB-ready starter in the minors who is projected to be much more than a #5 - and as we've seen, even the relievers they have are mostly dreck. I'm not sure there is a pitcher out there on the free-agent market this winter who is worth a 3-year deal except maybe Odorizzi, and he'll want a minimum of 5. Unless Bauer actually sticks to his statements about wanting to go forward on one-year deals, I don't think there's a guy out there who will be better than a healthy Eovaldi. I know, "healthy," but they're pitchers. They all seem to go down. I’m fin with keeping Eovaldi. He’s signed, and at this point, he’s probably a small bargain. The scenario of Springer, Realmuto, and Odorizzi would be the final part of my waking nightmare of the Mookie dump. Take the “savings” of not paying him and turn around to get guys who will clearly get contracts longer than their primes and set up, what, not keeping Casas down the line or something? It would just continue the cycle of poorly apportioning funds.
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Post by patford on Aug 21, 2020 10:03:31 GMT -5
With Devers, Verdugo, Vazquez, Downs and Bogaerts the Sox have a really strong base to build on. Add to that the possibilities of Duran, Dalbec, Casas and a revived Benintendi, a better than he's been in years Sale, a top draft pick and a reset cap and I think the Sox can be right back in the thick of things in 2022. Maybe I'm overrating Downs but by all accounts he's at least a MLB regular 2B. Man that is optimistic. Downs as part of a foundation? Has he played at AAA yet? And Vazquez has been above 100 OPS+ once and turns 30 tomorrow. Basically, we have to hope Devers is, in fact, the superduperstar he looked like last year. I don’t mean this can’t be the case, but for a foundation there are more questions than answers. But there seems little doubt that they need at least one more premiere offensive player and a few well-above average pitchers. I rate Downs and Vazquez highly because of the positions they play. Catcher and 2B are not positions where a lot of offense is expected. I assume Downs will be the regular 2B for the Sox by next year. The Sox certainly need at least one more bat in the OF which at this time is the teams weakest positional area and one where historically teams look to get a lot of offense from. I think most Sox fans assumed Benintendi's best season so far was going to turn out to be just a step in an upward path. Instead he's gotten worse and looks lost at this time. JBJ is JBJ. Verdugo looks like a cornerstone. He's just damn good at everything and I love his energy. One thing the team lacks at the moment is swagger and leadership. Maybe he can be the guy. I think it was less important with Cora as the manager because he brought that.
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Post by station13 on Aug 21, 2020 11:01:56 GMT -5
Verdugo is growing on me. He looks like he is having fun playing baseball.
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 11:09:05 GMT -5
Verdugo is growing on me. He looks like he is having fun playing baseball. There are certain guys who fall in my #never camp. I might hate them, or I might tolerate them: JD Drew, Adrien Gonzalez, Beckett, even JDM. They wear the jersey, but they seem like temps, guys brought in as mercenaries. You don’t necessarily have to be a Lifelong Sox to feel home grown... cf. Big Papi. Hell, Manny felt like he was made for this club. I put Verdugo in the JD Drew camp. He’ll never escape how he got here in my mind. If they win with him, I’ll tolerate him, just as I tolerated Drew and appreciated his contributions. But I had no affection. Purely transactional.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 21, 2020 12:16:03 GMT -5
Pass on Bauer. Can’t listen to him for a year. If he's even 75% of how good he's pitching this year I'll put up with it. I actually don't even think he's that bad. He's super outspoken and can be a little grating but more often than not he's in the right, and to be honest baseball needs more people that aren't afraid to speak up on stuff. Granted, extreme UCLA bias from me but still.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2020 12:44:10 GMT -5
Verdugo is growing on me. He looks like he is having fun playing baseball. There are certain guys who fall in my #never camp. I might hate them, or I might tolerate them: JD Drew, Adrien Gonzalez, Beckett, even JDM. They wear the jersey, but they seem like temps, guys brought in as mercenaries. You don’t necessarily have to be a Lifelong Sox to feel home grown... cf. Big Papi. Hell, Manny felt like he was made for this club. I put Verdugo in the JD Drew camp. He’ll never escape how he got here in my mind. If they win with him, I’ll tolerate him, just as I tolerated Drew and appreciated his contributions. But I had no affection. Purely transactional. Certainly entitled to your opinion on the bold. I guess I just don't understand the logic. It's not like Verdugo went to Andrew Friedman and demanded a trade to the Red Sox. It's not like he begged to be the "carrot" to lure Betts from Boston to LA. Baseball-wise, Verdugo has nothing to be guilty of. It's not like he took the highest $ to get to the Red Sox. So he's no mercenary. On the field, he strikes me as an immature kid who will do dumb stuff on the basepaths, but has a damn good hit tool with developing power and a rocket arm, who really, really enjoys playing baseball and is quite happy to be with the Red Sox. Obviously he idolized David Ortiz. You can't fake that kind of enthusiasm. He also strikes me as a guy, who - if he develops as hoped - will become an above average regular who'll make an all-star game or two - AND - will be quite receptive to staying with the Red Sox beyond his free agency. I'm uneasy about what happened off the field in LA. On the field, Alex Verdugo will be an asset and a joy to watch and you can see his joy in what he does. That's very likeable. His worst fault on the field is that he's not Mookie Betts (who is?!) - but that is NOT his fault.
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