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8/31-9/2 Red Sox vs. Braves Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 2, 2020 21:15:37 GMT -5
Maybe in the off-season Chaim moves Chavis. it's looking like he should've moved him last offseason; that may end up the peak of his value. He appears totally overmatched out there.
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Post by cutz on Sept 2, 2020 21:17:21 GMT -5
Man, I thought JBJ looked safe on the 2 replays they showed.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 2, 2020 21:18:24 GMT -5
Man, I thought JBJ looked safe on the 2 replays they showed. you'd think Roenicke would've challenged it regardless, it's the 8th inning wth are you saving it for if not that?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 2, 2020 21:31:48 GMT -5
Man, I thought JBJ looked safe on the 2 replays they showed. you'd think Roenicke would've challenged it regardless, it's the 8th inning wth are you saving it for if not that? Maybe he'd review if he were safe? Going for the sweet, sweet sweep.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 2, 2020 21:32:36 GMT -5
Yeah, wasn't sure what the QO range would be. I think he'll end up with about 8, although contracts are likely to be down after no revenue this year. Supposedly, JBJ wants out? I heard something on Adam Jones? Could be wrong but I think Duran winds up their CF next year. Or LF if they trade Benintendi. It's kind boggling why he didn't move JBJ. Eat 90% of his contract if you have to, who cares? It's 30 days of salary.
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 2, 2020 21:45:08 GMT -5
Great loss!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 2, 2020 21:50:58 GMT -5
Clutch. I was worried the boys might blow it and win it, but this team has heart equivalent to '18.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 2, 2020 21:52:50 GMT -5
Good work boys! Hopefully Evoladi stays on the IL as long as we need him there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 2, 2020 21:57:15 GMT -5
Could be wrong but I think Duran winds up their CF next year. Or LF if they trade Benintendi. It's kind boggling why he didn't move JBJ. Eat 90% of his contract if you have to, who cares? It's 30 days of salary. You assume there was some interest greater than the publicity situation. JBJ is a fairly popular player.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 2, 2020 22:18:17 GMT -5
Maybe in the off-season Chaim moves Chavis. it's looking like he should've moved him last offseason; that may end up the peak of his value. He appears totally overmatched out there. Or if he’s learned and moves Dalbec this offseason
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 2, 2020 22:22:57 GMT -5
It's kind boggling why he didn't move JBJ. Eat 90% of his contract if you have to, who cares? It's 30 days of salary. You assume there was some interest greater than the publicity situation. JBJ is a fairly popular player. I can't see how a team in contention couldn't use him as either a 4OFer or to replace another struggling bat. They got something for Osich. I feel like they could have gotten something for JBJ.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 2, 2020 22:25:43 GMT -5
You assume there was some interest greater than the publicity situation. JBJ is a fairly popular player. I can't see how a team in contention couldn't use him as either a 4OFer or to replace another struggling bat. They got something for Osich. I feel like they could have gotten something for JBJ. Something yes but that's not the question, how much something and is it worth trading a popular player in a dismal year. ADD: I will bet that the return for Osich wouldn't have been enough to move JBJ but the return for Pilar likely would have been.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 3, 2020 8:09:32 GMT -5
Given that JBJ has absolutely no value to the 2020 RS - an, in fact, could do a lot of damage by going on one of his hot streaks - the bar for trading him should have been low. It's hard to imagine they couldn't have gotten even just a small amount of int. signing money for him. Take $100K and shake hands on the deal.
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Post by cdj on Sept 3, 2020 8:20:02 GMT -5
If we are speaking about Bradley’s value on the field then yes he has no value to the 2020 Red Sox. I think they value him in the clubhouse
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2020 8:57:46 GMT -5
prediction:
Friday will be twice the fun.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 9:13:19 GMT -5
Given that JBJ has absolutely no value to the 2020 RS - an, in fact, could do a lot of damage by going on one of his hot streaks - the bar for trading him should have been low. It's hard to imagine they couldn't have gotten even just a small amount of int. signing money for him. Take $100K and shake hands on the deal. I’m all for a teardown, but “no value in 2020” applies to everyone now, technically. They wouldn’t stink much worse if they packaged Devers, X, and JDM. The bigger question is value going forward. JBJ is a FA, but if they can keep him cheap, they probably will. Trade him, I doubt they get him back. Further, I suspect it is not a great morale move to dump a popular home-grown veteran for little value. Not unrelated: has anyone ever done a study on FA to see if there is a hidden “come to Boston” tax? I mean... how many players view this as a bad landing spot culturally?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2020 9:40:53 GMT -5
I think the Sox should have dealt JBJ. They didn't do him any favors keeping him. He could have been on a contender, which he (in my opinion) deserves to be on.
JBJ gave the Sox plenty of value over the past six plus years, but it's now time to cut the chord. I bet JBJ feels that way as well.
Why would he want to come back to a team in need of a serious rebuild? Why should the Red Sox bring back a guy who's not going to be on the next seriously contending Red Sox team?
I could see JBJ going to the Indians or Cubs for a year or two.
The Red Sox could have gotten something for him, even if it was international money.
I do get the clubhouse culture thing - I think he's an asset in that regard to any team he plays on, but on a last place team which has been dead since the 2nd game of the season, how much does that really matter?
Going forward the Sox need to look at playing guys who are the future of the club.
Really, there's isn't anything else to play for - except the first pick of the draft - if Manfred allows it.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2020 9:41:31 GMT -5
Given that JBJ has absolutely no value to the 2020 RS - an, in fact, could do a lot of damage by going on one of his hot streaks - the bar for trading him should have been low. It's hard to imagine they couldn't have gotten even just a small amount of int. signing money for him. Take $100K and shake hands on the deal. I’m all for a teardown, but “no value in 2020” applies to everyone now, technically. They wouldn’t stink much worse if they packaged Devers, X, and JDM. The bigger question is value going forward. JBJ is a FA, but if they can keep him cheap, they probably will. Trade him, I doubt they get him back. Further, I suspect it is not a great morale move to dump a popular home-grown veteran for little value. Not unrelated: has anyone ever done a study on FA to see if there is a hidden “come to Boston” tax? I mean... how many players view this as a bad landing spot culturally? I don't know, but you definitely hear about some guys who like the Fenway environment and playing in a good baseball town, and I'm sure there are lots of players who'd rather play there than, say, Tampa or Seattle. But it would be depressing if black players in particular are dissuaded from coming to Boston because of its notorious reputation for racism.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 10:10:11 GMT -5
I’m all for a teardown, but “no value in 2020” applies to everyone now, technically. They wouldn’t stink much worse if they packaged Devers, X, and JDM. The bigger question is value going forward. JBJ is a FA, but if they can keep him cheap, they probably will. Trade him, I doubt they get him back. Further, I suspect it is not a great morale move to dump a popular home-grown veteran for little value. Not unrelated: has anyone ever done a study on FA to see if there is a hidden “come to Boston” tax? I mean... how many players view this as a bad landing spot culturally? I don't know, but you definitely hear about some guys who like the Fenway environment and playing in a good baseball town, and I'm sure there are lots of players who'd rather play there than, say, Tampa or Seattle. But it would be depressing if black players in particular are dissuaded from coming to Boston because of its notorious reputation for racism. That is one factor that I mean, but even broadly the idea that it is an especially tough crowd or that it is an organization that doesn’t treat its players as well as some of the other premiere orgs (and I’m not saying that is true — I am asking if there is that perception).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2020 10:18:07 GMT -5
I don't know, but you definitely hear about some guys who like the Fenway environment and playing in a good baseball town, and I'm sure there are lots of players who'd rather play there than, say, Tampa or Seattle. But it would be depressing if black players in particular are dissuaded from coming to Boston because of its notorious reputation for racism. That is one factor that I mean, but even broadly the idea that it is an especially tough crowd or that it is an organization that doesn’t treat its players as well as some of the other premiere orgs (and I’m not saying that is true — I am asking if there is that perception). The things you always seem to see in the last 15 years or so, always seem to be fan oriented not organizational issues.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 10:32:51 GMT -5
That is one factor that I mean, but even broadly the idea that it is an especially tough crowd or that it is an organization that doesn’t treat its players as well as some of the other premiere orgs (and I’m not saying that is true — I am asking if there is that perception). The things you always seem to see in the last 15 years or so, always seem to be fan oriented not organizational issues. And I want to make clear: this is not tendentious. I am really just asking in an open-ended way. For example, I cannot think of a FA who passed on Boston explicitly for cultural reasons.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2020 11:13:01 GMT -5
The things you always seem to see in the last 15 years or so, always seem to be fan oriented not organizational issues. And I want to make clear: this is not tendentious. I am really just asking in an open-ended way. For example, I cannot think of a FA who passed on Boston explicitly for cultural reasons. No but Tori Hunter, Jim rice, Reggie Smith & David Price have all recently commented on racist treatment by fans.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2020 11:18:20 GMT -5
ADD: I don't think at all that it is limited to Boston but that said, Boston has somewhat of a reputation of being one of the most racist cities in the country. Also that said, reputations and reality aren't always the same.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 11:22:11 GMT -5
And I want to make clear: this is not tendentious. I am really just asking in an open-ended way. For example, I cannot think of a FA who passed on Boston explicitly for cultural reasons. No but Tori Hunter, Jim rice, Reggie Smith & David Price have all recently commented on racist treatment by fans. Price is a guy I wonder about. His contract was so huge, I wonder if part of that was the “tax” I’m asking about.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2020 11:46:08 GMT -5
I really don't see organizational at all. I only hear good things about how the team treats it's players.That said, I can't think of any comments by a black athlete just whites but that doesn't mean they don't feel that way.
Looking at other sports, Bill Russell was always vocal but pretty much vocal about fans. As far as town reputations go, it took quite a while for Celtic black players to become popular as humans vs white players.
The Celtics have an interesting history. They were the first team to draft a black player and the first team to floor an all black lineup. On the other side, they were the last team to floor an all white lineup and they did that several times over several years during the Cowens/Walton years.
ADD Thinking about it, I view Jim Rice as having positive views towards the organization.
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