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9/3-9/6 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Sept 3, 2020 11:26:31 GMT -5
9/3 Red Sox (LHP Martin Perez, 2-4, 4.58, 35.1 IP, 24K:15BB) vs. Blue Jays (RHP Taijuan Walker, 3-2, 3.27, 33.0 IP, 29K:11BB) 7:30 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/4 (Game 1) Red Sox (RHP Zack Godley, 0-3, 7.71, 25.2 IP, 24K:13BB) @ Blue Jays (RHP Tanner Roark, 2-1, 27.0 IP, 22K:15BB) 4:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI*** 9/4 (Game 2) Red Sox (TBD) vs. Blue Jays (TBD) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/5 Red Sox (TBD) vs. Blue Jays (RHP Chase Anderson, 0-0, 3.20, 19.2 IP, 18K:4BB) 7:30 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/6 Red Sox (RHP Ryan Weber, 0-2, 5.79, 28.0 IP, 13K:11BB) vs. Blue Jays (TBD) 1:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI ***Makeup game to be played at Fenway Park MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2020: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 11:40:32 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2020 12:32:36 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. They can drop that first game. I have faith in them. I mean, Perez, even if he's good, isn't going 9? Right? They'd have to put the pen in at some point and with Barnes and Brasier as their best, I have no doubt that any lead could dissipate in an instant.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 12:45:46 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. They can drop that first game. I have faith in them. I mean, Perez, even if he's good, isn't going 9? Right? They'd have to put the pen in at some point and with Barnes and Brasier as their best, I have no doubt that any lead could dissipate in an instant. This is true. Just have to worry about which Walker shows up or if he continues to progress, but this team has shown a real knack for coming back from any lead. As a bonus the Sox can potentially help put the Yankees back into 3rd in the division.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 3, 2020 13:43:14 GMT -5
Four (4!) TBDs! This season is nuts, and I'm glad we knew from the beginning where this team stood so we didn't have to stress. Also 2018, and 2013, and 2007, and 2004 makes it easier.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2020 13:49:25 GMT -5
Four (4!) TBDs! This season is nuts, and I'm glad we knew from the beginning where this team stood so we didn't have to stress. Also 2018, and 2013, and 2007, and 2004 makes it easier. I guess this is what is was like for Red Sox fans in the 1920s? Lose their best player(s) and play through some hopelessy depressing seasons.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 3, 2020 15:13:34 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. I agree. We will probably lose game 1, but win the rest of the series. Question: Why is it you, and others, feel that having the #1 pick, in and of itself, is so important? Is there some data you could provide that shows you that having the #1 pick has a degree of importance so much, that it is a guarantee of future franchise health / success. Because where I am standing, we have the greatest example we will ever know in Mike Trout. He wasn't the #1 pick, is the greatest player we will likely see in out lifetime and he has......never been on the winning side of even 1 playoff game in what....9 years. IMO, this is gonna take care of itself with the pitching that the team has, we will likely have one of the top 3 picks, if not the 1st overall. I guess i just don't understand the logic of it.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2020 15:42:42 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. I agree. We will probably lose game 1, but win the rest of the series. Question: Why is it you, and others, feel that having the #1 pick, in and of itself, is so important? Is there some data you could provide that shows you that having the #1 pick has a degree of importance so much, that it is a guarantee of future franchise health / success. Because where I am standing, we have the greatest example we will ever know in Mike Trout. He wasn't the #1 pick, is the greatest player we will likely see in out lifetime and he has......never been on the winning side of even 1 playoff game in what....9 years. IMO, this is gonna take care of itself with the pitching that the team has, we will likely have one of the top 3 picks, if not the 1st overall. I guess i just don't understand the logic of it. I went through this in another thread at one point... #1 overall picks seem to turn into valuable major leaguers about 50% oof the time, so it's hardly a sure thing. But that's a lot higher than you get, say, in the middle of round 1. What I don't know is whether it's a lot higher than the #2 or 3 or 4 pick.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2020 15:50:10 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. I agree. We will probably lose game 1, but win the rest of the series. Question: Why is it you, and others, feel that having the #1 pick, in and of itself, is so important? Is there some data you could provide that shows you that having the #1 pick has a degree of importance so much, that it is a guarantee of future franchise health / success. Because where I am standing, we have the greatest example we will ever know in Mike Trout. He wasn't the #1 pick, is the greatest player we will likely see in out lifetime and he has......never been on the winning side of even 1 playoff game in what....9 years. IMO, this is gonna take care of itself with the pitching that the team has, we will likely have one of the top 3 picks, if not the 1st overall. I guess i just don't understand the logic of it. Washington turned their franchise around with two #1 picks when they got Harper and Strasburg. Houston got their key player in Correia. Gerrit Cole was a #1. If you pick right, you could get a franchise altering player. Say the Red Sox think Kumar Rocker is the best young pitcher and player in the draft, but whoops, they finished 18-42 instead of 17-43 and the Pirates get to pick him instead of the Red Sox. Was that one extra win really worth it? Or if they go 22-38 are we really going to celebrate that? At this point, who cares? Do whatever helps the team most in the long run when those wins matter the most. I mean, yeah, you could pick Trout 24th or Judge late in the first round or miss out on Piazza altogether, but first round picks could be crucial. I mean the Mariners might not be in Seattle if not for their pick of Griffey Jr - and yeah, they picked A-Rod later on as well #1. The Twins picked their franchise player Mauer #1. In a season as lost as this one, the meaningless wins are more of a hindrance than a help if it costs them the player they most want.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 15:58:58 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. I agree. We will probably lose game 1, but win the rest of the series. Question: Why is it you, and others, feel that having the #1 pick, in and of itself, is so important? Is there some data you could provide that shows you that having the #1 pick has a degree of importance so much, that it is a guarantee of future franchise health / success. Because where I am standing, we have the greatest example we will ever know in Mike Trout. He wasn't the #1 pick, is the greatest player we will likely see in out lifetime and he has......never been on the winning side of even 1 playoff game in what....9 years. IMO, this is gonna take care of itself with the pitching that the team has, we will likely have one of the top 3 picks, if not the 1st overall. I guess i just don't understand the logic of it. 2020 - Spencer Torkelson (7th ranked prospect in baseball) 2019 - Adley Rutschman (4th ranked prospect in baseball) 2018 - Casey Mize (8th ranked prospect in baseball) 2017 - Royce Lewis (10th ranked prospect in baseball) 2016 - Mickey Moniak (likely bust) 2015 - Dansby Swanson (a good, not great starter) 2014 - Brady Aiken (Health issues and didn't sign that year) 2013 - Mark Appel, bust 2012 - Carlos Correa 2011 - Gerrit Cole 2010 - Bryce Harper 2009 - Stephen Strasburg 2008 - Tim Beckman, bust 2007 - David Price Admittedly, before 2007 it's not a great list. By all accounts, this year there is a clear cut number 1 pick. It also gives them better picks in subsequent rounds and more draft money. It's also a bad, bad year so the only thing they can get from this terrible season is a better draft pick.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 3, 2020 16:08:15 GMT -5
I agree. We will probably lose game 1, but win the rest of the series. Question: Why is it you, and others, feel that having the #1 pick, in and of itself, is so important? Is there some data you could provide that shows you that having the #1 pick has a degree of importance so much, that it is a guarantee of future franchise health / success. Because where I am standing, we have the greatest example we will ever know in Mike Trout. He wasn't the #1 pick, is the greatest player we will likely see in out lifetime and he has......never been on the winning side of even 1 playoff game in what....9 years. IMO, this is gonna take care of itself with the pitching that the team has, we will likely have one of the top 3 picks, if not the 1st overall. I guess i just don't understand the logic of it. 2020 - Spencer Torkelson (7th ranked prospect in baseball) 2019 - Adley Rutschman (4th ranked prospect in baseball) 2018 - Casey Mize (8th ranked prospect in baseball) 2017 - Royce Lewis (10th ranked prospect in baseball) 2016 - Mickey Moniak (likely bust) 2015 - Dansby Swanson (a good, not great starter) 2014 - Brady Aiken (Health issues and didn't sign that year) 2013 - Mark Appel, bust 2012 - Carlos Correa 2011 - Gerrit Cole 2010 - Bryce Harper 2009 - Stephen Strasburg 2008 - Tim Beckman, bust 2007 - David Price Admittedly, before 2007 it's not a great list. By all accounts, this year there is a clear cut number 1 pick. It also gives them better picks in subsequent rounds and more draft money. It's also a bad, bad year so the only thing they can get from this terrible season is a better draft pick. But what does the list look like for #2s, #3s, and so on? Here's an interesting way of looking at it, though it's from 2009 so may be a bit dated: That's actually a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than I would've guessed.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 16:09:45 GMT -5
2020 - Spencer Torkelson (7th ranked prospect in baseball) 2019 - Adley Rutschman (4th ranked prospect in baseball) 2018 - Casey Mize (8th ranked prospect in baseball) 2017 - Royce Lewis (10th ranked prospect in baseball) 2016 - Mickey Moniak (likely bust) 2015 - Dansby Swanson (a good, not great starter) 2014 - Brady Aiken (Health issues and didn't sign that year) 2013 - Mark Appel, bust 2012 - Carlos Correa 2011 - Gerrit Cole 2010 - Bryce Harper 2009 - Stephen Strasburg 2008 - Tim Beckman, bust 2007 - David Price Admittedly, before 2007 it's not a great list. By all accounts, this year there is a clear cut number 1 pick. It also gives them better picks in subsequent rounds and more draft money. It's also a bad, bad year so the only thing they can get from this terrible season is a better draft pick. But what does the list look like for #2s, #3s, and so on? Here's an interesting way of looking at it, though it's from 2009 so may be a bit dated: That's actually a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than I would've guessed. The point about later picks is huge too. Getting the earliest possible picks in rounds 2,3,4 could yield significant value.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 3, 2020 16:44:58 GMT -5
2020 - Spencer Torkelson (7th ranked prospect in baseball) 2019 - Adley Rutschman (4th ranked prospect in baseball) 2018 - Casey Mize (8th ranked prospect in baseball) 2017 - Royce Lewis (10th ranked prospect in baseball) 2016 - Mickey Moniak (likely bust) 2015 - Dansby Swanson (a good, not great starter) 2014 - Brady Aiken (Health issues and didn't sign that year) 2013 - Mark Appel, bust 2012 - Carlos Correa 2011 - Gerrit Cole 2010 - Bryce Harper 2009 - Stephen Strasburg 2008 - Tim Beckman, bust 2007 - David Price Admittedly, before 2007 it's not a great list. By all accounts, this year there is a clear cut number 1 pick. It also gives them better picks in subsequent rounds and more draft money. It's also a bad, bad year so the only thing they can get from this terrible season is a better draft pick. But what does the list look like for #2s, #3s, and so on? Here's an interesting way of looking at it, though it's from 2009 so may be a bit dated: That's actually a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than I would've guessed. But what does the list look like for #2s, #3s, and so on? Here's an interesting way of looking at it, though it's from 2009 so may be a bit dated: That's actually a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than I would've guessed. The point about later picks is huge too. Getting the earliest possible picks in rounds 2,3,4 could yield significant value. I think those are good point, thank you. However, again, Mike Trout. Every major league team has good players. Having the #1 pick is not an indicator of really anything, as far as being a barometer of future team success.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2020 17:02:59 GMT -5
But what does the list look like for #2s, #3s, and so on? Here's an interesting way of looking at it, though it's from 2009 so may be a bit dated: That's actually a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than I would've guessed. The point about later picks is huge too. Getting the earliest possible picks in rounds 2,3,4 could yield significant value. I think those are good point, thank you. However, again, Mike Trout. Every major league team has good players. Having the #1 pick is not an indicator of really anything, as far as being a barometer of future team success. It's not a guarantee. Nothing is. But it stacks the deck in your favor. No, one player doesn't make a team, but you have to start somewhere. Say the Red Sox finish last and get to pick first and say they pick Kumar and he is what he is said to be - suddenly the Red Sox would have their best pitching prospect since Roger Clemens and you know how much impact he had on the team. When he pitched they had an excellent chance of winning. The Red Sox could use some impact like that - a potential top of the rotation starter. They don't have any of that in the system nor do they have the prospect currency to trade for one. I doubt they luck into the next Luis Tiant, who like David Ortiz before him, was a scrapheap pickup. Getting that future potential ace is most likely to be done in the draft. Picking first helps stack those odds in your favor. Yes, you could get the next Byran Bullington or Al Chambers (failed #1s) but like I said in other posts you can pick up franchise players/stars who are core members of the next great Red Sox team. I wouldn't count on getting the next Mike Trout. That's few and far between. Your odds are better when you pick first than to hope to get an Aaron Judge 31st or wherever the Yankees picked him or hope than the next 5th round pick turns into Mookie.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 17:21:06 GMT -5
But what does the list look like for #2s, #3s, and so on? Here's an interesting way of looking at it, though it's from 2009 so may be a bit dated: That's actually a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than I would've guessed. The point about later picks is huge too. Getting the earliest possible picks in rounds 2,3,4 could yield significant value. I think those are good point, thank you. However, again, Mike Trout. Every major league team has good players. Having the #1 pick is not an indicator of really anything, as far as being a barometer of future team success. I would look at it this way, if I gave you a scratch card that said, "this has a 50% chance of hitting" and "this has a 40% chance of hitting", you'd want the 50% card. Mookie Betts wasn't a 1st overall either. Even if the prospect just becomes a nationally ranked kid like the last 4 drafts then you can flip the asset to get a player in return.
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Post by Addam603 on Sept 3, 2020 17:30:48 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 17:36:00 GMT -5
So, I guess he’s in shape now?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 3, 2020 19:07:04 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, what a bomb. Truly, the world is a better place when JBJ goes deep.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 19:10:31 GMT -5
This shouldn’t be hugely controversial given their draft position and careers, but I have greater faith in Chavis than Dalbec. I still really believe in Chavis.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 3, 2020 19:23:23 GMT -5
This shouldn’t be hugely controversial given their draft position and careers, but I have greater faith in Chavis than Dalbec. I still really believe in Chavis. Personally, I'm the opposite. To me, Chavis is Dalbec but with less demonstrated plate discipline in the minors and a little less power (Fangraphs scouting has Dalbec as 70 power and Chavis as 65). Chavis' main advantage is that he doesn't have to hit as much if he can play a decent second base. I hope they both figure things out and can have a role going forward, but Chavis doesn't walk enough or hit for enough power yet to offset his whiffs.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 19:24:51 GMT -5
This shouldn’t be hugely controversial given their draft position and careers, but I have greater faith in Chavis than Dalbec. I still really believe in Chavis. Chavis could be a late bloomer due to missing significant chunks of time in the minors due to roids and injuries. He was hitting well in AAA when they called him up, but think he was called out of necessity.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 19:27:12 GMT -5
This shouldn’t be hugely controversial given their draft position and careers, but I have greater faith in Chavis than Dalbec. I still really believe in Chavis. Personally, I'm the opposite. To me, Chavis is Dalbec but with less demonstrated plate discipline in the minors and a little less power (Fangraphs scouting has Dalbec as 70 power and Chavis as 65). Chavis' main advantage is that he doesn't have to hit as much if he can play a decent second base. I hope they both figure things out and can have a role going forward, but Chavis doesn't walk enough or hit for enough power yet to offset his whiffs. Right now Chavis is Adam Dunn at the plate minus the walks and power.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 3, 2020 20:02:34 GMT -5
nice DP turn by Devers and Chavis on a fast runner.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 3, 2020 20:05:23 GMT -5
Risky game 1, but feeling confident in the next 3 games. They can drop that first game. I have faith in them. I mean, Perez, even if he's good, isn't going 9? Right? They'd have to put the pen in at some point and with Barnes and Brasier as their best, I have no doubt that any lead could dissipate in an instant. Hmm just might.
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2020 20:48:16 GMT -5
Dalbec may have shown discipline in the minors, but he is flailing. This is getting kind of ugly.
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