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9/3-9/6 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 4, 2020 11:56:11 GMT -5
I mean if we are being honest, if there ever was a time to be historically bad it would be the shortened 60 game season.
I think people forget that being bad enough to get the #1 draft pick also means we get high picks in all the other rounds too. It's a critically important thing. If we are going to be bad, we might as well be the worst.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 4, 2020 12:32:37 GMT -5
I mean if we are being honest, if there ever was a time to be historically bad it would be the shortened 60 game season. I think people forget that being bad enough to get the #1 draft pick also means we get high picks in all the other rounds two. It's a critically important thing. If we are going to be bad, we might as well be the worst. A big part of it is high picks in every round, that is huge. Yet the bigger part in today's drafts is the huge amount of pool money. It gives our GM options and we got to see a sliver of what he can do this year. That extra 20% on the first pick is literally another good player if he signs for slot.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2020 13:34:59 GMT -5
I mean if we are being honest, if there ever was a time to be historically bad it would be the shortened 60 game season. I think people forget that being bad enough to get the #1 draft pick also means we get high picks in all the other rounds two. It's a critically important thing. If we are going to be bad, we might as well be the worst. A big part of it is high picks in every round, that is huge. Yet the bigger part in today's drafts is the huge amount of pool money. It gives our GM options and we got to see a sliver of what he can do this year. That extra 20% on the first pick is literally another good player if he signs for slot. And since the first two picks - Kumar and Jack Leiter - are college guys, they'll probably be willing to sign for a bit under slot. We just have to get one of those first two picks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 4, 2020 15:11:13 GMT -5
A big part of it is high picks in every round, that is huge. Yet the bigger part in today's drafts is the huge amount of pool money. It gives our GM options and we got to see a sliver of what he can do this year. That extra 20% on the first pick is literally another good player if he signs for slot. And since the first two picks - Kumar and Jack Leiter - are college guys, they'll probably be willing to sign for a bit under slot. We just have to get one of those first two picks. Yes and no. In the sense that you mean it, it doesn't work like that. They could absolutely call the Red Sox' bluff and go back to school. Torkelson got slot at #1 this year. Vaughan signed for slot at #3 last year. Being a college guy doesn't mean the player is getting under slot. That said, early picks often sign for under slot (e.g., Ruschmann in 2019) because there's supposed to be money built in to the first 2 or 3 slots to be spread to later picks. That does appear to be happening less often now though.
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Post by manfred on Sept 4, 2020 15:37:31 GMT -5
I think Godley might be not good.
Add: with the injuries, I would say Perez and Barnes are the only two active pitchers I am 100% in favor of bringing back. Taylor 95%. The rest... keep one or two for 6th inning/mop up, but they are largely interchangeably painful.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 4, 2020 15:46:36 GMT -5
I think Godley might be not good. Add: with the injuries, I would say Perez and Barnes are the only two active pitchers I am 100% in favor of bringing back. Taylor 95%. The rest... keep one or two for 6th inning/mop up, but they are largely interchangeably painful. Yeah, this staff is brutal and highly fungible. It's not even a major league caliber pitching staff. It looks like an expansion staff, kind of like the 62 Mets. Of course Sale and E-Rod aren't the kind of guys they had on that staff.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 4, 2020 15:53:30 GMT -5
I think Godley might be not good. Add: with the injuries, I would say Perez and Barnes are the only two active pitchers I am 100% in favor of bringing back. Taylor 95%. The rest... keep one or two for 6th inning/mop up, but they are largely interchangeably painful. I'd still keep Valdez around despite his rough last outing
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 4, 2020 15:58:45 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/mlb/draft/It's the 20% extra which is almost 1.7 million. Allows you to overpay a guy like Jordan again and still give $600,000 to a guy in the 11th round, or any combination you want. While still giving the top guy slot money. 1.7 million extra based on just one pick is a massive amount of money in today's drafts.
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Post by manfred on Sept 4, 2020 16:00:44 GMT -5
I think Godley might be not good. Add: with the injuries, I would say Perez and Barnes are the only two active pitchers I am 100% in favor of bringing back. Taylor 95%. The rest... keep one or two for 6th inning/mop up, but they are largely interchangeably painful. I'd still keep Valdez around despite his rough last outing Maybe. He fits in my 1-2. Brasier is similar. Not saying that whole group is equally bad... but they are all guys who ought not be pitching in big situations. A few will/should fill out the roster for salary reasons. But man... this is pathetic. Add: if Godley is grousing about RR taking him out, he can keep walking up the ramp, through the clubhouse, and into the parking lot. Guy is gifted a major league start despite, well, sucking.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2020 16:30:46 GMT -5
I think Godley might be not good. Add: with the injuries, I would say Perez and Barnes are the only two active pitchers I am 100% in favor of bringing back. Taylor 95%. The rest... keep one or two for 6th inning/mop up, but they are largely interchangeably painful. I just want to know, why is Jeffrey Springs getting outs?
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Post by manfred on Sept 4, 2020 16:34:47 GMT -5
I think Godley might be not good. Add: with the injuries, I would say Perez and Barnes are the only two active pitchers I am 100% in favor of bringing back. Taylor 95%. The rest... keep one or two for 6th inning/mop up, but they are largely interchangeably painful. I just want to know, why is Jeffrey Springs getting outs? Do you mean why is he pitching? Or how are people getting out against him?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2020 16:38:52 GMT -5
I just want to know, why is Jeffrey Springs getting outs? Do you mean why is he pitching? Or how are people getting out against him? Well, I meant the ladder, more specifically the why, but it looks like the team heard my concerns.
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 4, 2020 16:48:50 GMT -5
Getting worried here...it might take more than 5 runs to lose this one.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 4, 2020 17:00:51 GMT -5
Getting worried here...it might take more than 5 runs to lose this one. don't worry, Walden is here to ease your concerns
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 4, 2020 17:01:16 GMT -5
Getting worried here...it might take more than 5 runs to lose this one. Don't worry. The bullpen is up to the task.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 4, 2020 17:10:34 GMT -5
Xander's got Jeter range fielding balls to his right
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 4, 2020 17:13:56 GMT -5
Jackie being Jackie in CF. Great catch. Dude is like a frisbee catching dog out there.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 4, 2020 17:21:50 GMT -5
Chavis hit a high fastball for a base hit
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 4, 2020 17:22:33 GMT -5
I absolutely respect your posting for as long as I have been on the site. No worries here, brother. I wasnt trying to single you out, and actually apologized while writing it. Thanks. add: i think season's like this take different kinds of tolls on fans. we all want the same thing. It's definitely taking a toll on me, so thinking about the draft takes the sting off of how historically bad this season is. Where it stops for me is that I don't get frustrated when they win. 60 games helps mitigate it, at least it's only 2 months of torture. But what really hurts with seeing how bad this team is performing is that it still stuns me to see this team so soon after 2018. I was not expecting in November 2018 that the team's future performance would mimic the price of bitcoin.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 4, 2020 17:32:47 GMT -5
I absolutely respect your posting for as long as I have been on the site. No worries here, brother. I wasnt trying to single you out, and actually apologized while writing it. Thanks. add: i think season's like this take different kinds of tolls on fans. we all want the same thing. It's definitely taking a toll on me, so thinking about the draft takes the sting off of how historically bad this season is. Where it stops for me is that I don't get frustrated when they win. 60 games helps mitigate it, at least it's only 2 months of torture. But what really hurts with seeing how bad this team is performing is that it still stuns me to see this team so soon after 2018. I was not expecting in November 2018 that the team's future performance would mimic the price of bitcoin. i thought this exact thing the other day, totally agree, it has something to do with it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2020 17:52:22 GMT -5
Tough break for Xander and Devers, but not everyone can hit like Yairo Munoz.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 4, 2020 18:08:36 GMT -5
I absolutely respect your posting for as long as I have been on the site. No worries here, brother. I wasnt trying to single you out, and actually apologized while writing it. Thanks. add: i think season's like this take different kinds of tolls on fans. we all want the same thing. It's definitely taking a toll on me, so thinking about the draft takes the sting off of how historically bad this season is. Where it stops for me is that I don't get frustrated when they win. 60 games helps mitigate it, at least it's only 2 months of torture. But what really hurts with seeing how bad this team is performing is that it still stuns me to see this team so soon after 2018. I was not expecting in November 2018 that the team's future performance would mimic the price of bitcoin. That's what's so striking for me. How swift the downfall was. The Marlins stripped their club so quickly they went from champs in 97 so 54-108 I think in '98. I mean, I was thinking of the A's, the champions that Connie Mack built and sold off, and then Charlie O Finley's A's. Imagine seeing the A's win 3 straight championships and then within a few years it's gone and they bottomed out at 54-108 in 1979. Or the Cincy Reds who were the Big Red Machine and then they slowly faded away to the point where the bottom dropped out in 1982, a year removed from having the best record during the strike. They actually won more games during the 108 game strike 1981 season than the entire 1982 season. But you have to feel for the long-time fans of the Royals, Pirates, Tigers, and Orioles. They had awesome competitive teams and they all finally won Championships during their run, but boy did it all collapse - to the point where it became a distant memory. With the Sox, everything that could have went right in 2018 went right. It's almost like they so exceeded the law of averages they were do to have everything that could go wrong go wrong. I'm just thankful they won a Championship before all that. I just hope it's not like the Mets who had that ultimate year in 1986 and never could have it all go right again. Except they didn't drop dead right away. It took them awhile.
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Post by manfred on Sept 4, 2020 18:10:28 GMT -5
It's definitely taking a toll on me, so thinking about the draft takes the sting off of how historically bad this season is. Where it stops for me is that I don't get frustrated when they win. 60 games helps mitigate it, at least it's only 2 months of torture. But what really hurts with seeing how bad this team is performing is that it still stuns me to see this team so soon after 2018. I was not expecting in November 2018 that the team's future performance would mimic the price of bitcoin. That's what's so striking for me. How swift the downfall was. The Marlins stripped their club so quickly they went from champs in 97 so 54-108 I think in '98. I mean, I was thinking of the A's, the champions that Connie Mack built and sold off, and then Charlie O Finley's A's. Imagine seeing the A's win 3 straight championships and then within a few years it's gone and they bottomed out at 54-108 in 1979. Or the Cincy Reds who were the Big Red Machine and then they slowly faded away to the point where the bottom dropped out in 1982, a year removed from having the best record during the strike. They actually won more games during the 108 game strike 1981 season than the entire 1982 season. But you have to feel for the long-time fans of the Royals, Pirates, Tigers, and Orioles. They had awesome competitive teams and they all finally won Championships during their run, but boy did it all collapse - to the point where it became a distant memory. With the Sox, everything that could have went right in 2018 went right. It's almost like they so exceeded the law of averages they were do to have everything that could go wrong go wrong. I'm just thankful they won a Championship before all that. I just hope it's not like the Mets who had that ultimate year in 1986 and never could have it all go right again. Except they didn't drop dead right away. It took them awhile. Well, and the Mets really enjoyed the ride. If I were partying like them, I’d probably be enjoying this season.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 4, 2020 18:13:40 GMT -5
It's definitely taking a toll on me, so thinking about the draft takes the sting off of how historically bad this season is. Where it stops for me is that I don't get frustrated when they win. 60 games helps mitigate it, at least it's only 2 months of torture. But what really hurts with seeing how bad this team is performing is that it still stuns me to see this team so soon after 2018. I was not expecting in November 2018 that the team's future performance would mimic the price of bitcoin. That's what's so striking for me. How swift the downfall was. The Marlins stripped their club so quickly they went from champs in 97 so 54-108 I think in '98. I mean, I was thinking of the A's, the champions that Connie Mack built and sold off, and then Charlie O Finley's A's. Imagine seeing the A's win 3 straight championships and then within a few years it's gone and they bottomed out at 54-108 in 1979. Or the Cincy Reds who were the Big Red Machine and then they slowly faded away to the point where the bottom dropped out in 1982, a year removed from having the best record during the strike. They actually won more games during the 108 game strike 1981 season than the entire 1982 season. But you have to feel for the long-time fans of the Royals, Pirates, Tigers, and Orioles. They had awesome competitive teams and they all finally won Championships during their run, but boy did it all collapse - to the point where it became a distant memory. With the Sox, everything that could have went right in 2018 went right. It's almost like they so exceeded the law of averages they were do to have everything that could go wrong go wrong. I'm just thankful they won a Championship before all that. I just hope it's not like the Mets who had that ultimate year in 1986 and never could have it all go right again. Except they didn't drop dead right away. It took them awhile. actually, that's why im more accepting of this season. Because this front office has shown during previous ups and downs (and ours have been a bit extreme in the last 10 years or so, admittedly), they've been able to turn things around pretty quickly every time. I'm reasonably confident in Bloom to do the same, especially with the financial advantages many of the perennial cellar dwellers never enjoy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 4, 2020 18:21:33 GMT -5
Is this a split admission double header ? Do they change the cardboard cutouts between games ?
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