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2020-21 offseason national rankings
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Post by unitspin on Oct 1, 2020 12:31:18 GMT -5
Just saw Bobby Dalbec is listed as the #100 top prospect on mlb.com. I had to do a double take I wonder if that means houck might get some hype or maybe some of the other guys in our system.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2020 15:43:38 GMT -5
Pulled this out of the MLB draft thread and figured we needed a new thread.
Dalbec has, in fact, entered MLB.com's top 100 due to graduations, as of Monday.
Interestingly, three of the players who entered debuted this year, and the fourth, McClanahan, was added to the Rays' playoff roster the next day. Looking at the MLB Pipeline tweets, they got a good report on him in July from the Rays' ATS.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 1, 2020 16:07:39 GMT -5
Pulled this out of the MLB draft thread and figured we needed a new thread. Dalbec has, in fact, entered MLB.com's top 100 due to graduations, as of Monday. Interestingly, three of the players who entered debuted this year, and the fourth, McClanahan, was added to the Rays' playoff roster the next day. Looking at the MLB Pipeline tweets, they got a good report on him in July from the Rays' ATS. Sorry about that figured id throw it in the draft thread bcs we were talking about prospects.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 9, 2020 18:58:02 GMT -5
Not rankings, but Longenhagen on Houck and Dalbec here: blogs.fangraphs.com/keeping-up-with-the-al-easts-prospects/Indicates that he is moving Houck up from a 40 FV to a 40+ FV because he thinks he's shown late-inning potential, and leaves Dalbec at a 45 FV but comfortably out of the top 100 because of his strikeout rate. Admittedly not the most robust analysis of either.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2020 2:32:46 GMT -5
If the Arizona teams are going to have games with boxscores, the Floroda teams are going to be at a disadvantage in the rankings.
love the EV column
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2020 19:39:32 GMT -5
If the Arizona teams are going to have games with boxscores, the Floroda teams are going to be at a disadvantage in the rankings. Eh, disagree. Outlets aren't going to punish players, even subconsciously, because there aren't stats for them. Players can play well, but they can also be bad and have that reflected. The more important thing will be reports from scouts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 18, 2020 19:46:21 GMT -5
I was thinking more the opposite with players gaining exposure to the plus side. There's also the fact that there will be significantly more actual games rather than intra squad games being played in Arizona.
Are scouts even allowed ?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 24, 2020 18:23:56 GMT -5
I was thinking more the opposite with players gaining exposure to the plus side. There's also the fact that there will be significantly more actual games rather than intra squad games being played in Arizona. Are scouts even allowed ? Scouts are allowed but only if you let scouts into your camp. Twins opted out of that, for example.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2020 10:26:31 GMT -5
Based on the cover of the November Baseball America issue that just got posted, we should be getting their updated Red Sox top 10 in the near future.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 27, 2020 9:20:38 GMT -5
1. Casas 2. Downs 3. Dalbec 4. Mata 5. Duran 6. Groome 7. Jimenez 8. Houck 9. Yorke 10. Ward
EDIT - TBC this is BA's list from the BA App.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2020 10:27:53 GMT -5
Then I am disappointed in Speier.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 27, 2020 10:43:48 GMT -5
Then I am disappointed in Speier. Why?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2020 10:52:40 GMT -5
Then I am disappointed in Speier. Why? Because it pretty much goes against everything said by the coaches and and also reports attributed to Red Sox management this past summer.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 27, 2020 11:02:21 GMT -5
Using only Red Sox sources to make a prospects list likely results in 15 guys who are FV 55s and above
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2020 11:05:21 GMT -5
Using only Red Sox sources to make a process list likely results in 15 guys who are FV 55s and above Downs reports weren't exactly complementary and he's ranked #2. This list looks like Speier just took the old list, moved Dalbec and Houck up a few spots for making the majors and inserted Yorke.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Oct 27, 2020 11:06:18 GMT -5
Because it pretty much goes against everything said by the coaches and and also reports attributed to Red Sox management this past summer. I'm not even sure what you're referring to here, but I'd bet heavily that Speier has unparalleled information on the state of the Sox system right now knowing how good he is at his job.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 27, 2020 11:12:30 GMT -5
From Mid-Season:
- Casas stays - Downs up 1 - Dalbec down 1 - Mata stays at 4 - Duran stays at 5 - Hernandez out (eligibility?) - Groome up 2 to 6 - Jimenez up 2 to 7 - Houck up 5 to 8 - Yorke up 2 to 9 - Ward back 3 to 10 (Jordan out).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2020 11:22:22 GMT -5
Because it pretty much goes against everything said by the coaches and and also reports attributed to Red Sox management this past summer. I'm not even sure what you're referring to here, but I'd bet heavily that Speier has unparalleled information on the state of the Sox system right now knowing how good he is at his job. Downs example: Needs improvement: Match offensive potential with the defensive strides McMillon: “He made tremendous strides defensively. But there are some things he needs to work on like his makeup and confidence, and I think those issues affected how he did offensively. I see tremendous upside, and his track record of offensive performance indicates that at 7:05 when the lights are on, he shows up at the plate. I’m hopeful his track record offensively meshes well with the strides he made defensively.” theathletic.com/2114086/2020/10/05/red-sox-minor-league-prospect-report/I'm not sure how you interpret a makeup and confidence statement but I don't view that as a positive.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 27, 2020 11:28:25 GMT -5
Using only Red Sox sources to make a prospects list likely results in 15 guys who are FV 55s and above Can't say I agree. Internally, I'm sure they're realistic about their own guys, and they're not going to assume that Speier is an idiot who's just going to go with whatever they tell him. The thing that might happen is one or two guys might get inflated who they want to try to move, but that's why any ranker worth their salt is going to get outside opinions as well, which Alex does. I'm not even sure what you're referring to here, but I'd bet heavily that Speier has unparalleled information on the state of the Sox system right now knowing how good he is at his job. Downs example: Needs improvement: Match offensive potential with the defensive strides McMillon: “He made tremendous strides defensively. But there are some things he needs to work on like his makeup and confidence, and I think those issues affected how he did offensively. I see tremendous upside, and his track record of offensive performance indicates that at 7:05 when the lights are on, he shows up at the plate. I’m hopeful his track record offensively meshes well with the strides he made defensively.” theathletic.com/2114086/2020/10/05/red-sox-minor-league-prospect-report/I'm not sure how you interpret a makeup and confidence statement but I don't view that as a positive. That's one statement made by the Triple-A manager. There are a number of folks within the Red Sox organization charged with developing and evaluating their minor leaguers. The one thing that Speier definitely has on any other ranker is access to the Red Sox FO, without question. He's easily the most plugged-in writer to their FO, in my opinion, especially on the player dev side. (Of course, he talks with outside scouts as well - I don't mean to imply otherwise, to be clear.) Ray, I've said it before, but I think you're going to be disappointed by every list that comes out this offseason.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 27, 2020 11:34:24 GMT -5
1. Casas 2. Downs 3. Dalbec 4. Mata 5. Duran 6. Groome 7. Jimenez 8. Houck 9. Yorke 10. Ward EDIT - TBC this is BA's list from the BA App. Wait, yeah, is this even the list? That's so strange: they don't even have this advertised anywhere or on their website.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -5
Using only Red Sox sources to make a prospects list likely results in 15 guys who are FV 55s and above Can't say I agree. Internally, I'm sure they're realistic about their own guys, and they're not going to assume that Speier is an idiot who's just going to go with whatever they tell him. The thing that might happen is one or two guys might get inflated who they want to try to move, but that's why any ranker worth their salt is going to get outside opinions as well, which Alex does. Downs example: Needs improvement: Match offensive potential with the defensive strides McMillon: “He made tremendous strides defensively. But there are some things he needs to work on like his makeup and confidence, and I think those issues affected how he did offensively. I see tremendous upside, and his track record of offensive performance indicates that at 7:05 when the lights are on, he shows up at the plate. I’m hopeful his track record offensively meshes well with the strides he made defensively.” theathletic.com/2114086/2020/10/05/red-sox-minor-league-prospect-report/I'm not sure how you interpret a makeup and confidence statement but I don't view that as a positive. That's one statement made by the Triple-A manager. There are a number of folks within the Red Sox organization charged with developing and evaluating their minor leaguers. The one thing that Speier definitely has on any other ranker is access to the Red Sox FO, without question. He's easily the most plugged-in writer to their FO, in my opinion, especially on the player dev side. (Of course, he talks with outside scouts as well - I don't mean to imply otherwise, to be clear.) Ray, I've said it before, but I think you're going to be disappointed by every list that comes out this offseason. Legit question since you watched several of the games, did you see anything from Downs that gives you hope offensively ? To me, he was overmatched the whole camp and the only reason for optimism is tools and past performance. His skills need a ton of work.
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Post by tjb21 on Oct 27, 2020 11:39:51 GMT -5
I'm excited to see how Jimenez has progressed. The rest of the top 10 seem to be talked about more on here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2020 11:51:15 GMT -5
I'm excited to see how Jimenez has progressed. The rest of the top 10 seem to be talked about more on here. Jiminez hasn't played since last year at Lowell. I'm more hopeful that he hasn't regressed.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 27, 2020 13:07:00 GMT -5
1. Casas 2. Downs 3. Dalbec 4. Mata 5. Duran 6. Groome 7. Jimenez 8. Houck 9. Yorke 10. Ward EDIT - TBC this is BA's list from the BA App. Wait, yeah, is this even the list? That's so strange: they don't even have this advertised anywhere or on their website. Advertised via some of their writers on Twitter. You need to have the app (and a sub) and then you can read the issue. Took the liberty with the subscription since I was only posting the list and it would be up in a few days. Hope that doesn't break the rules.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 27, 2020 13:12:16 GMT -5
Using only Red Sox sources to make a prospects list likely results in 15 guys who are FV 55s and above Can't say I agree. Internally, I'm sure they're realistic about their own guys, and they're not going to assume that Speier is an idiot who's just going to go with whatever they tell him. The thing that might happen is one or two guys might get inflated who they want to try to move, but that's why any ranker worth their salt is going to get outside opinions as well, which Alex does. Downs example: Needs improvement: Match offensive potential with the defensive strides McMillon: “He made tremendous strides defensively. But there are some things he needs to work on like his makeup and confidence, and I think those issues affected how he did offensively. I see tremendous upside, and his track record of offensive performance indicates that at 7:05 when the lights are on, he shows up at the plate. I’m hopeful his track record offensively meshes well with the strides he made defensively.” theathletic.com/2114086/2020/10/05/red-sox-minor-league-prospect-report/I'm not sure how you interpret a makeup and confidence statement but I don't view that as a positive. That's one statement made by the Triple-A manager. There are a number of folks within the Red Sox organization charged with developing and evaluating their minor leaguers. The one thing that Speier definitely has on any other ranker is access to the Red Sox FO, without question. He's easily the most plugged-in writer to their FO, in my opinion, especially on the player dev side. (Of course, he talks with outside scouts as well - I don't mean to imply otherwise, to be clear.) Ray, I've said it before, but I think you're going to be disappointed by every list that comes out this offseason. The idea that a list disagrees with everything said by Sox lead to my poorly executed, "tongue in cheek" response. Mea culpa.
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