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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2020 11:03:09 GMT -5
Agree. He's not in my twitter follows so he must have been re-tweeted by someone better known. Is why I put Another opinion (fantasy). Feel free to delete, that wouldn't bother me.
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Post by rasimon on Nov 27, 2020 11:09:13 GMT -5
Jeter Downs at 11 is bananas. SOX should offer Downs to SD for Gore and see what they say
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Post by unitspin on Nov 27, 2020 12:17:53 GMT -5
Jeter Downs at 11 is bananas. Haha, I think #2 at SP is bananas. (Teasing) I guess ppl agree he is a cant miss prospect.
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Post by Smittyw on Nov 27, 2020 13:27:50 GMT -5
Jeter Downs at 11 is bananas. SOX should offer Downs to SD for Gore and see what they say Tatis or they can pound sand.
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Post by kman22 on Nov 30, 2020 10:45:52 GMT -5
If you are talking fantasy baseball, the power/steals combo from a 2B is probably pretty valuable. More so than all but 10 other prospects? Probably not, but at least makes more sense than if this was a standard prospect list.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 11, 2021 11:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Jan 11, 2021 19:31:17 GMT -5
Wait... I don’t have a ton to measure this against so talk me down if I’m misreading... is it bad that we have only two prospects who are future average contributors? That sounds bad... but it may be that they grade very conservatively? Someone cheer me up, please.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jan 11, 2021 19:50:32 GMT -5
Wait... I don’t have a ton to measure this against so talk me down if I’m misreading... is it bad that we have only two prospects who are future average contributors? That sounds bad... but it may be that they grade very conservatively? Someone cheer me up, please. Fangraphs didn’t like are guys last year either. So a year of no minors is not all of a sudden going to change that. On the positive side, they have a lot of players with a +, so things could change quickly if some of these players show some early promise.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 11, 2021 20:29:47 GMT -5
They had 115 guys ranked 50 or higher on the most recent version of The Board. So that's 3.8 per team. 2 isn't good but it's not a crisis.
I mean, we've only got three guys graded as 50s. Not sure why that's terribly surprising.
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Post by manfred on Jan 11, 2021 22:52:14 GMT -5
They had 115 guys ranked 50 or higher on the most recent version of The Board. So that's 3.8 per team. 2 isn't good but it's not a crisis. I mean, we've only got three guys graded as 50s. Not sure why that's terribly surprising. I guess it isn’t. I just sort of hoped at least one guy in the system would project higher. Oh, well.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 12, 2021 0:19:45 GMT -5
They had 115 guys ranked 50 or higher on the most recent version of The Board. So that's 3.8 per team. 2 isn't good but it's not a crisis. I mean, we've only got three guys graded as 50s. Not sure why that's terribly surprising. There are also seven guys at 45 to 45+. It wouldn't take much wiggle to have a few of those players move up to 50. This is definitely not rocket science given the obstacles scouts have faced. I've read through the narratives and there's a pattern given the lost year. Longenhagen is very honest about the inability to get information on more than a few players, simply reiterating what he'd said in the past while including what he was able to glean from his contacts. He is detailed in his analyses and he has a solid base of takes from the scouts who did have opinions. Where he does have additional information, such as for Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, he adds useful details. But I don't think it's worth getting worked up when there's been little in the way of eyeball takes. The turmoil may last a bit longer, at least till vaccines are widely available, distributed and applied, and till the uncertainty around the changes in minor league ball are resolved.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 12, 2021 8:32:11 GMT -5
They had 115 guys ranked 50 or higher on the most recent version of The Board. So that's 3.8 per team. 2 isn't good but it's not a crisis. I mean, we've only got three guys graded as 50s. Not sure why that's terribly surprising. There are also seven guys at 45 to 45+. It wouldn't take much wiggle to have a few of those players move up to 50. This is definitely not rocket science given the obstacles scouts have faced. I've read through the narratives and there's a pattern given the lost year. Longenhagen is very honest about the inability to get information on more than a few players, simply reiterating what he'd said in the past while including what he was able to glean from his contacts. He is detailed in his analyses and he has a solid base of takes from the scouts who did have opinions. Where he does have additional information, such as for Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, he adds useful details. But I don't think it's worth getting worked up when there's been little in the way of eyeball takes. The turmoil may last a bit longer, at least till vaccines are widely available, distributed and applied, and till the uncertainty around the changes in minor league ball are resolved. Yes, the extreme caution is clear when you read Gilberto Jiminez: he lists all the reasons for being more optimistic about his future, especially the gain in size and strength with little to no loss of speed, and then gives him the same grade, but says "He’ll likely be on this offseason’s Picks to Click and would have been on this offseason’s top 100 had he been able to show in games that the body change impacted the power output, or that he has a high-end feel for the strike zone."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 12, 2021 10:58:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds right. Based on what we heard from Instructs, if it translated into real games over a longer period, he would probably be the no-question #3 in the system. The one major knock on him in 2019 was the lack of ability to drive the ball—-his speed accounted for a significant chunk of his XBH. If he's fixed that and if his defense is improving, he could be an absolute stud.
And worth repeating... signed for $10k.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 12, 2021 17:14:01 GMT -5
I'm reading through the FG list right now and one thing REALLY jumped out to me - he put a 55 future grade on Blaze Jordan's hit tool. For comparison's sake, Dalbec has a 30 present and future grade on his. I mean, I know there is a lot of work to be done to reach that point, but that seems like a super optimistic stance on his bat
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 18, 2021 9:26:21 GMT -5
Baseball America's 2021 top 100 just came out. Did any sox make it?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 18, 2021 9:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 20, 2021 10:24:08 GMT -5
Duran, Mata, and Jimenez were also listed on at least one BA staffer's top 150.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 22, 2021 10:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jan 22, 2021 10:59:34 GMT -5
Seems like he missed Torkelson so TC should probably be 3rd (unless they are going to try Tork at 3B???).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 24, 2021 22:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 24, 2021 22:23:39 GMT -5
I'm guessing downs is classified as a SS for mlbs position rating purposes?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 24, 2021 22:39:48 GMT -5
Apparently yeah. They technically haven't moved him there full time.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 25, 2021 9:17:57 GMT -5
Apparently yeah. They technically haven't moved him there full time. That makes sense. Wonder if Downs will make the top 10 for SS, I'd assume so.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 25, 2021 10:04:49 GMT -5
Apparently yeah. They technically haven't moved him there full time. That makes sense. Wonder if Downs will make the top 10 for SS, I'd assume so. They had Downs 40 in their last top 100, so unless he plummeted that seems likely.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 25, 2021 10:37:47 GMT -5
That makes sense. Wonder if Downs will make the top 10 for SS, I'd assume so. They had Downs 40 in their last top 100, so unless he plummeted that seems likely. Saying this a little jokingly but for all the doom and gloom about our farm they will have a top 10 prospect according to mlb.com at 1st, 2nd and SS. Dalbec might make it as a 3rd base too. Downs will likely be a 2nd baseman when he comes up but still nice to look at and see the farm on the upswing. I think it's possibly maybe even likely that the Sox are a top 10 farm system come next offseason. Either way I'm excited for some minor league baseball this year to see who rises up the system after last year being kind of a wash.
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