WHO Covid-19 report

Right now, the world hot spot for confirmed cases is Southeast Asia. I follow the numbers for the Philippines pretty regularly. The phenomena is interesting. Like everywhere, when it first started, the death rates were very high. Now we have contact tracing testing. The number of cases has been increasing dramatically but the death rates are declining rapidly. In total, from the start, we have 46 times more recoveries than deaths. Yesterday's numbers had 180 recoveries per death.

We also have a lot of quarantine centers which alleviates hospital congestion. If someone tests positive with only mild symptoms, they go into quarantine not the hospital. Countrywide, Covid hospital beds are at less than 50% capacity, ventilators about 25 %.

For population density comparison, our population is about 30% of the USA population but total land mass is about 75% of California's.

The WHO estimates were apparently based on antibody testing. I haven't seen a country by country chart but they did say some countries higher, some lower.

I'm not really worried about a Vaccine hurting you. We are doing huge studies unlike Countries like China and Russia. It's how effective will it be? You need 90 to 95% to wipe this off the map. Rushing it likely means it much lower than that.

If I was older, in those last two groups where it's much deadlier because you have many other issues I'd take it.

Yet like I've been saying for a while now, a treatment plan can be just as good. Like the antibodies experimental treatment Trump just got. Trump is high risk, he actually got the bad negative effects. Yet the treatment plan seems to have stopped it before it gets bad. That's huge, that likely doesn't happen eight months ago. We are learning how to treat this so you don't get bad. You need to be very aggressive in the early stages.

40-50% of the deaths in the US are from nursing homes, people that literally can't go anywhere. Under 50 is about 5%, under 40 is less than 2% of the deaths. I'm not saying do nothing, yet you need to balance the economy versus stopping the spread. Doesn't there need to be a point? You don't shutdown everything to stop the flu right? This isn't the common flu, yet it's not the Spanish Flu either. Somethings like Bars just don't make sense, yet many other places are closed that can be open rather safely. You need to find a balance between protecting people and not causing more harm to 10s of millions who can lose everything they have.

1.5 million people is like the whole Country getting it with a mortality rate of .5%, five times the common flu. It would never happen if they protect the vulnerable population like those in nursing homes and no way the whole Country gets it. Nevermind it sure seems they now know how to treat it better than before. Those numbers don't make sense. 

If your goal is strictly to limit deaths, why not just tell everyone over 60 to stay home and isolate? Your 750 a day numbers aren't correct because they count nursing homes, where people don't leave. If you want to talk numbers you need to breakdown what's in those numbers. There is a way to protect people that isn't lockdowns for everyone. Causing people to not have jobs with Millions of small businesses closing for good. A middle ground is needed.  Instead we are justing using raw numbers to strike fear because States did such a poor job handling nursing homes. It's not that I don't care about old people, not even close. It's just we need to look at facts, the deaths are older unhealthy people more the most part. Protect them, limit them, heck most are retired anyway. They don't need to work.

Yet we also need to worry about our long-term economic future and the crazy amount of debt we are racking up. They are throwing around Trillions like I throw around dollars. I don't want people to die, yet people will die. We don't shutdown our economy to save every last person from the flu. We don't outlaw cars because people can die from them. There has to be a point. Otherwise people should just never leave their house because something bad might happen and that's crazy. Yet that's basically how some are currently acting. There's being smart, wearing masks, limiting contact, washing hands and there's locking yourself in a bunker because I don't want one person to die.

Massachusetts is doing damn well in my opinion and is what I'm talking about. It's a balance of being safe versus people being able to survive. Basically everything but bars open. In Berkshire county we have very few cases after the first outbreak caused by NY people coming here. Our Chili's has been open for months and months.

Here's the thing, shutdown didn't completely stop the spread or people killed. Our numbers are currently lower than before the shutdown. You can't stop it completely unless your China and literally use the military and tell people that can't leave their homes. So let's not act like shutdown means zero deaths and reopening means this many. That's a false statement.

I don't for a moment agree with your few hundred thousand estimates. That's counting nursing homes and many states being stupid doing nothing at points. Florida having beaches open for spring break, states not requiring masks, states not shutting down bars and night clubs. The Massachusetts model isn't close to that and you'll never get zero. Your whole narrative is basically you can get zero, so everything else is unnecessary. That's just not true.

Also you can't do a total lockdown, states have too much power. Unless your declaring martial law on the whole Country. As the NY Governor said that's like declaring war on the states we aren't Russia or China.

See this is important, many people think this is true and it's not. The Government can ask, recommend, same with CDC, they can't make States do it without declaring martial law in those states. Our founding fathers gave States a lot of power. They didn't want the Government being like a monarch.

I see now, go look up Massachusetts guidelines. They are very extreme yet also practical. Hair salons are open, yet they are in full PPE. Limited number of customers, they have to take their temperature. Strict cleaning guidelines. Like Chilli's is open at limited capacity, social distance rules, no parties over four people and bar is closed. Open economy, yet being very smart. We've been wearing masks in public for like six months. My mask collection is starting to match the amount of ties I own and I have a ton of them. My town has had zero cases, one of the few in the State. We aren't doing well because we are shut down, yet because we are being smart. Yet you still won't stop people being stupid. Having parties, hooking up with strangers, throwing large gatherings. Shutdowns only stop public transfer in public places. It doesn't stop person to person transfer in private. Every cashier is behind a plastic barrier to stop the spread.

I'm not discounting our older people that died. I'm saying States learned from their mistakes, have taken measures so that can't happen again. Thus predicting future numbers you shouldn't use those as a baseline. I guess I should say my State and others in the northeast have. I don't watch news on the whole Country. We are now testing nursing homes multiple times a week, no sick people get brought back, visiting has been greatly restricted, workers are wearing PPE now. They added filters to limit air circulation so it wouldn't spread that way. No more issues and that's huge because they were bad at the peak, nightmare type crap.

Fauci has zero issues with our State. We meet his guidelines. He wouldn't recommend us shutting down. It's states doing a poor job. My idea of being open is like Massachusetts where I truly believe very few people are at harm given the rules. The spread isn't having the economy open, it's what people do when not at work. 

You don't know what Eugenics is if you think anything I said supports selective breeding. That's crazy.

You split deaths by age so you know who to protect and how to handle this. It has nothing to do with selective breeding.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eugenics

Way to kill a conversation this country really needs. It's not those who care versus those that don't. There is a middle ground. The problem is every state and their people are different. 932 deaths is a lot less than when most of the Country was locked down.

www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/white-house-warning-covid-very-181828512.html

US spread isn't in workplace like it once was, it's much more when your out of work.

We've tested 3,876,000 so about 3 1/2 % of the population, they do heavy contact tracing testing. If there's a respiratory problem or suspicious circumstances when a patient dies, he's given a test and if positive, he's listed as Covid. On the island where I live, a little girl with serious pre-existing lung and heart problems was taken to emergency care. She was tested negative on the island and died 3 days later in a mainland hospital . After death, she tested positive and it was listed as a Covid death. On the other hand, there's no real incentive for hospitals here to call things Covid so it's pretty much a mixed bag.

US is basically at 125 million tests, around 38% of population.

Massachusetts 6.9 million people, 4.4 million tests done.

Our Country paying Hospitals that have Covid deaths seems like a huge mistake.

I have at least a dozen ppl in my family in the medical field most in different fields and position. The most common opinion is the numbers in the US, being the mortality rate have been inflated to a laughable degree. One of my family members a dr in NYC has said they are basically forced to label any death that tested positive for corona, a corona death. She said that has never been done in her profession ever. If a cancer patient barely hanging on gets the flu and dies it is never listed as the cause of death. But now with corona all that has changed, so I take all the numbers with a grain of salt. However, I wear my mask and go about my day. But labeling this in the same breath as pandemics in the past gets and eye roll from me. China a country of 1.5 billion ppl that live in extreme close proximity to each other are not shutting down their economy over this so that answers alot of questions for me. If this thing was doomsday China would be locked down tighter then a drum bcs it would spread like wildfire.