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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Oct 23, 2020 9:59:54 GMT -5
Wow, 100+ is pretty terrible. You have to wonder if Rizzo at a 16.5 million option might be declined.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 30, 2020 11:00:11 GMT -5
With the number of team options being declined and players being released, I can't imagine that it makes sense to take on any bad contracts at this point.
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Post by soxaddict on Oct 31, 2020 7:40:04 GMT -5
With the number of team options being declined and players being released, I can't imagine that it makes sense to take on any bad contracts at this point. I could. A guy like Gregory Polanco owed $11M for 2021, and a $3M buyout the following year, but only counts as $7M towards the luxury tax. The Sox could get something like James Taillon and Richard Rodriguez. The Pirates would save around $18M. Boston could send back Chavis and some prospects on the bubble like Chatham, Wilson and Hart. Beating a dead horse, Will Myers makes more sense than ever. He’s owed $22.5 for 2021 and 2022, with a $1M buyout for 2023. I could easily imagine the Friars giving up Campusano to move at least have of that contract.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 31, 2020 10:48:03 GMT -5
With the number of team options being declined and players being released, I can't imagine that it makes sense to take on any bad contracts at this point. Exactly, little chance a team is going to take a bad contract on when teams are not willing to take good ones on. There will be alot of one year deals at discounts. Whos going to pay a bench player 10+mil for a lottery ticket when you can get multiple quality players for that on one year deals.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2020 10:34:32 GMT -5
With the number of team options being declined and players being released, I can't imagine that it makes sense to take on any bad contracts at this point. I could. A guy like Gregory Polanco owed $11M for 2021, and a $3M buyout the following year, but only counts as $7M towards the luxury tax. The Sox could get something like James Taillon and Richard Rodriguez. The Pirates would save around $18M. Boston could send back Chavis and some prospects on the bubble like Chatham, Wilson and Hart. Beating a dead horse, Will Myers makes more sense than ever. He’s owed $22.5 for 2021 and 2022, with a $1M buyout for 2023. I could easily imagine the Friars giving up Campusano to move at least have of that contract. Myers hit .288/.353/.606 this year. The window is closed on a Myers salary dump. As for Polanco, that return is insufficient to make it worth it, imo.
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Post by jdb on Dec 17, 2020 20:26:55 GMT -5
I think Inciarte in Atlanta would be a good target. AAV is $6.1 but costs the Braves $8.7 and Pache is their CFer going forward. Say Chavis for Inciarte and a pitching prospect? He’s been banged up but could be a bridge to Duran.
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Post by soxaddict on Dec 19, 2020 0:13:55 GMT -5
I think Inciarte in Atlanta would be a good target. AAV is $6.1 but costs the Braves $8.7 and Pache is their CFer going forward. Say Chavis for Inciarte and a pitching prospect? He’s been banged up but could be a bridge to Duran. Cots has his luxury tax hit at $6.105m. His actual salary per cots is $8.75m with a $1.025m buy out for 2022. If the Sox pass on JBJ, Iniarte would be a nice get compared to what’s available. Taking on his salary could possibly net a couple of pitching prospects along the lines of Kyle Wright or Tucker Davidson and Sean Newcomb or Touki Toussaint for little to nothing, IMO.
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Post by jdb on Jul 19, 2021 9:21:50 GMT -5
Would anyone trust Josh Donaldson to play 1B? I think he give us JDM insurance and we wouldn’t be forced to resign him at 3-4 years since Donaldson is on the books for $23 AAV for two more and wouldn’t block Casas. Take on his contract with a Taylor Rodgers or Medea for guys who need to be protected on the 40 man this offseason?
Hypothetical who says no Casas for Donaldson and Berrios?
I’m of the belief we will go over the tax this year. Red Sox payroll tweeted last night there are some bonuses out there that have been met or likely to be met that probably already put us over.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 19, 2021 14:49:18 GMT -5
Would anyone trust Josh Donaldson to play 1B? I think he give us JDM insurance and we wouldn’t be forced to resign him at 3-4 years since Donaldson is on the books for $23 AAV for two more and wouldn’t block Casas. Take on his contract with a Taylor Rodgers or Medea for guys who need to be protected on the 40 man this offseason? Hypothetical who says no Casas for Donaldson and Berrios? I’m of the belief we will go over the tax this year. Red Sox payroll tweeted last night there are some bonuses out there that have been met or likely to be met that probably already put us over. Are you saying you think the Twins would do Donaldson and Berrios for Casas, that is intriguing at the least. Berrios is a proven #2 and Casas is an unproven guy who hasn't been great at AA, I think it would take more. Depends on who else goes but I would be interested. Casas has his warts and IMO is not a guaranteed solid 1st division starter but his upside would be hard to give up on with the years of control. Flip side is the team is better right away but at a cost. Donaldson is often injured with stuff that won't age well and Berrios is looking to get paid. He is a solid #2 though. Maybe the Twins would settle for this to get one big contract off the books and cash in on Berrios before FA. I would want an extension in place to guarantee he isn't a rental.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2021 15:04:30 GMT -5
While it's an interesting proposal my guess is that additional talent like a Bello or a Groome would be required. I know Casas didn't overwhelm this year, but I think it's a matter of time before the power comes into play.
Donaldson is a good talent but he's older, has been injured a bunch, and could be an inefficient use of $. While Berrios is a solid pitcher, I still wouldn't make the trade. I guess I just overvalue prospects too much, or at least ones that I think have a good chance of contributing to the Sox for six years. For me I can see in my mind's eye, Casas at 1b with Yorke, Mayer, and either X or Devers at 3b in the long-term. And Bello is starting to develop really nicely.
If Dalbec was playing great, then I might be more expendable with Casas, but he's not.
So if I'm looking at Sale/Berrios/Eovaldi/E-Rod vs Sale/Eovaldi/E-Rod/Pivetta, even with Donaldson over Dalbec, I don't think I'd sacrifice a good pitching prospect and Casas for the improvement, and I say that as somebody who's concerned about the rotation a bit, and is down on Dalbec, although I think the Sox can improve 1b without sacrificing huge talent.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 19, 2021 18:18:28 GMT -5
While it's an interesting proposal my guess is that additional talent like a Bello or a Groome would be required. I know Casas didn't overwhelm this year, but I think it's a matter of time before the power comes into play. Donaldson is a good talent but he's older, has been injured a bunch, and could be an inefficient use of $. While Berrios is a solid pitcher, I still wouldn't make the trade. I guess I just overvalue prospects too much, or at least ones that I think have a good chance of contributing to the Sox for six years. For me I can see in my mind's eye, Casas at 1b with Yorke, Mayer, and either X or Devers at 3b in the long-term. And Bello is starting to develop really nicely. If Dalbec was playing great, then I might be more expendable with Casas, but he's not. So if I'm looking at Sale/Berrios/Eovaldi/E-Rod vs Sale/Eovaldi/E-Rod/Pivetta, even with Donaldson over Dalbec, I don't think I'd sacrifice a good pitching prospect and Casas for the improvement, and I say that as somebody who's concerned about the rotation a bit, and is down on Dalbec, although I think the Sox can improve 1b without sacrificing huge talent. Just Casas and not much more from the Sox might be worth it. Your infield of the future looks awesome but Devers is 4 yrs younger than X so he is the guy still around with Yorke and Mayer. Have to say I am a bit disappointed in Casas this year, hopefully he crushes it next.
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Post by jdb on Jul 19, 2021 21:30:54 GMT -5
Messing around on baseball trade values site Donaldson + Berrios for Downs lines up pretty close. Personally I don’t see that. Also Donaldson/Rogers/Maeda for Chavis is close as well. That last one could fill our needs. 1B, a starter who’s probably more reliable than Richardson/Pivetta/Perez and a LH reliever.
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Post by fanofredsox on Dec 3, 2021 9:02:04 GMT -5
Bloom should look into this;
Mike Moustakis LH 1B/3B/2B
2022 33 Cincinnati Reds $16,000,000 $500k award bonuses available 2023 34 Cincinnati Reds $18,000,000 $500k award bonuses available 2024 35 Cincinnati Reds *$20,000,000 $20M Team Option, $4M Buyout $500k award bonuses available Earliest Free Agent: 2024
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Post by jdb on Dec 3, 2021 11:57:49 GMT -5
With the JBJ trade and Bloom saying we need a RH bat maybe Wil Myers could be in play. 13.8 AAV but would save SD 22.5. He’d have 30 HR upside in Fenway and the rest of the Al East parks.
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Post by dajubaisasoxfan on Dec 3, 2021 15:15:02 GMT -5
With the JBJ trade and Bloom saying we need a RH bat maybe Wil Myers could be in play. 13.8 AAV but would save SD 22.5. He’d have 30 HR upside in Fenway and the rest of the Al East parks. Sawamura for Pollock & McKinstry Bloom gets the RH bat CF that he is looking for to platoon with JBJ along with a 27 year old utility player under control for 5 more years. Dodgers get an inexpensive experienced bullpen arm under control for 5 more years.
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Post by dajubaisasoxfan on Dec 3, 2021 15:18:35 GMT -5
Pollock
2022 $13,000,000 2023*$10,000,000 $10M Player Option, $5M Buyout Option increases based on MVP voting 2019-22 and PAs in 2022 Earliest Free Agent: 2023
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Post by soxaddict on Dec 3, 2021 17:48:17 GMT -5
With the JBJ trade and Bloom saying we need a RH bat maybe Wil Myers could be in play. 13.8 AAV but would save SD 22.5. He’d have 30 HR upside in Fenway and the rest of the Al East parks. I'd be fine with Wil Myers and a couple of prospects. Myers actually makes a lot of sense. He's only signed for one more season with a club option for 2023 ($1m buyout). Could use him at 1b, if they decide to move Bobby for pitching.
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Post by jdb on Dec 4, 2021 11:41:58 GMT -5
Myers with Weathers would be good. Weathers is young, cost controlled and was very good out the pen last year. He could maybe take over a bulk inning role with a chance to start down the line. Those two for Jimenez?
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Post by fanofredsox on Dec 4, 2021 12:23:55 GMT -5
Trade for all of them; what is it, like $112m?
Myers;
2022 31 San Diego Padres $22,500,000 8.104 2023 32 San Diego Padres *$20,000,000 $20M Team Option, $1M Buyout Earliest Free Agent: 2023
Hosmer;
2022 32 San Diego Padres $21,000,000 10.146 can opt out of contract following 2022 season 2023 33 San Diego Padres $13,000,000 2024 34 San Diego Padres $13,000,000 2025 35 San Diego Padres $13,000,000 Earliest Free Agent: 2026
Profar;
2022 29 San Diego Padres $7,333,334 7.165 Player option exercised 2023 30 San Diego Padres *$8,333,333 $8.33M Player Option, $1M Buyout 2024 31 San Diego Padres *$10,000,000 $10M Mutual Option, $1M Buyout Earliest Free Agent: 2023
Pomeranz;
2022 33 San Diego Padres $10,000,000 9.013 2023 34 San Diego Padres $10,000,000 Earliest Free Agent: 2024
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Post by jdb on Mar 14, 2022 14:22:36 GMT -5
Out of curiosity would anyone take on Hosmers deal if SD could work out a Murphy trade with us getting the two in a 3 way?
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 14, 2022 18:52:44 GMT -5
Out of curiosity would anyone take on Hosmers deal if SD could work out a Murphy trade with us getting the two in a 3 way? I was thinking along the same lines. No idea if it's even remotely close, but just thinking out loud. Sox get: Murphy Padres get: Hosmer off their roster A's get: Duran, Abrams, Hosmer and $30M from Sox
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 14, 2022 19:43:12 GMT -5
Out of curiosity would anyone take on Hosmers deal if SD could work out a Murphy trade with us getting the two in a 3 way? I was thinking along the same lines. No idea if it's even remotely close, but just thinking out loud. Sox get: Murphy Padres get: Hosmer off their roster A's get: Duran, Abrams, Hosmer and $30M from Sox Abrams seems pretty untouchable with tatis sidelined
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Post by jdb on Mar 21, 2022 14:28:10 GMT -5
If we take on Myers I think Lamet could be better in a late inning role. Power arm with a little to much control issues to start and 2 more arb years.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 21, 2022 15:02:03 GMT -5
If we take on Myers I think Lamet could be better in a late inning role. Power arm with a little to much control issues to start and 2 more arb years. I dont think my heart can take a bullpen with both him and Darwinzon at their current BB/9.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 22, 2022 9:00:55 GMT -5
I am dreaming of Myers + Campusano. We have a starting catcher problem after the 2022 season, a lack of depth in corner OF, and a team that should go over the LT threshold. One year of pretty much anyone should be payable when it doesn't impact our long term flexibility and nets an awesome prospect. Baseballtradevalues.com, the most scientific of sources, could see something like Myers + Campusano for Lugo + Taylor. We have so many LHP out of the bullpen that I'd be happy to let Taylor go, even though I like him, and giving up a guy like Lugo should be a no-brainer if it nets us Campusano.
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Edit: I will say that I'm a lot more content to start the year with JBJ in RF than many on this board seem to be - he seems an obvious bounce back candidate with the bat and having his defense in RF will be amazing - but Myers would be useful nonetheless. Beats Hosmer, who would just enter a 1B logjam with Dalbec and Casas. I'd be fine just taking the prospects, eating a lot of the contract, and trading Hosmer, but it feels like we'd get better value if we can actually use the albatross coming back.
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