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2020-21 Minor League Free Agency
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 2, 2020 14:12:55 GMT -5
Surprised he would come back.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 2, 2020 14:13:47 GMT -5
Per BA, the following Red Sox minor leaguers were declared free agents: Stetson Allie, Jett Bandy, Juan Centeno, Enmanuel De Jesus, Jhonathan Diaz, Yoel Espinal, Trevor Hildenberger, Ryder Jones, Tommy Joseph, Kevin Lenik, Robinson Leyer, Tzu-Wei Lin, Nick Longhi, Dan McGrath, Jeremy Rivera, Andrew Schwaab, Kevin Steen, Cole Sturgeon, Konner Wade, Tom Windle, Jantzen Witte. www.baseballamerica.com/stories/full-list-of-2020-2021-milb-free-agents/
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2020 14:53:31 GMT -5
The list of guys they apparently re-signed to keep from reaching MLFA: C Roldani Baldwin, RHP Seth Blair, RHP Dylan Covey, RHP Raynel Espinal, RHP Stephen Gonsalves, 1B/OF Joey Meneses, OF Johan Mieses, 1B Josh Ockimey, C Jhonny Pereda, and RHP Caleb Simpson.
As I tweeted, Blair was probably a 2-year deal. Pereda had that weird thing where he was released and re-signed in July, so that was probably to a 2-year deal.
Lot of guys they liked at the ATS (Gonsalves, Simpson) or coming off being injured in 2019 (Baldwin, Espinal). The Meneses and Mieses ones surprise me but again, maybe those were two-year deals?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2020 16:37:01 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 2, 2020 17:07:28 GMT -5
Lin's the only possible surprise among the guys not re-signed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2020 17:15:01 GMT -5
Lin's the only possible surprise among the guys not re-signed. Is it though? With the roster as presently constructed, what's his path to playing time? MLB bench presumably has some combination of Chavis, Arroyo, Munoz with a need for a true 4th OF (instead of Lin's ability to sometimes play CF), and the Pawtucket Worcester infield probably features Downs and Arauz. Lin would get playing time moving around the diamond there, but it's not even clear he'd be the first call-up given he's out of options. And I'd add that like Perez, there's nothing saying they won't re-sign later. Lin and others may just want to explore other options for now.
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Post by basbal24 on Nov 2, 2020 17:34:26 GMT -5
WORCESTER roster
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Post by threeifbaerga on Nov 2, 2020 20:00:21 GMT -5
Which is a terrible thing to have to say out loud.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 2, 2020 21:43:34 GMT -5
Wista rosta kinda rhymes.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 2, 2020 23:00:20 GMT -5
Wista rosta kinda rhymes. Not Peter Tosh's best work but a good groove for sure.
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 20, 2020 12:33:32 GMT -5
Jhonathan Diaz won’t be coming back. He signed a minor league deal with the Angels.
Couple years removed but Gerson Bautista got a new team too and is with the Mariners.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 10, 2020 20:20:54 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 14, 2020 0:41:48 GMT -5
I noticed Kevin Steen was officially declared a minor league free agent
I know there probably isn’t much of a chance of him playing baseball ever again but does anybody know how he’s doing health/life-wise? I hope he’s doing well, I hadn’t thought about him in awhile
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 14, 2020 8:07:06 GMT -5
I noticed Kevin Steen was officially declared a minor league free agent I know there probably isn’t much of a chance of him playing baseball ever again but does anybody know how he’s doing health/life-wise? I hope he’s doing well, I hadn’t thought about him in awhile Believe he's doing fine based on a splattering of social media posts, which is a win. I know he had to have a whole bunch of surgeries on his legs and basically had to learn how to walk again.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 17, 2020 10:42:57 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 17, 2020 16:43:07 GMT -5
Very interesting guy, Rays org, Dominican signing in 2014, soon converted to relief, last pitched in April 2019, but (edit) his DL history suggests a nagging injury rather than TJ. He was a FA after that year and the Rays re-signed him.
Made it to low-A in 2018 at age 22 after being profoundly unimpressive his first 5 years, and walked 10 guys in his first 12 IP. Then 2 in his next 7.2, and then 1 in his last 20. Really! Strikeouts were 19, 8, and 29, and by the end of that he was closing. That got him promoted to high-A, where he allowed .163 / .241 / 224 in his first 6 outings and then .478 / .519 / .739 in his last 4. (This is, BTW, why you should always look at game logs). In retrospect, that may well have been the injury starting. They must have liked what they saw next spring because they stated him off in AA, where he walked 5 guys and hit 2 while fanning just 3 in 8 IP ... while allowing a .100 BABIP and hence a .573 OPS! You'd dismiss that as a SSS fluke except for the fact that he finished low-A as a strike zone monster who allowed some hard contact (3 HR and a .135 Iso) but was much more of a successful pitch-to-contact guy after his promotion, 12 K and 4 BB in 14.1 but a .216 BABIP and .061 Iso. It's as if he knew he couldn't just keep challenging the better hitters he was facing and adapted his approach.
OK, fascinating guy, in part because of the suggestion that he's followed Bloom here.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 18, 2020 13:09:17 GMT -5
As good a place as any to put this observation ... Cora in his media interview mentioned that a lot of teams are considering six-man rotations in order to limit starting pitcher innings, since everyone threw so few last year.
Now, the big downside of a six-man rotation, of course, is that you're taking a bunch of starts away from your top 5 starters and giving them to your sixth-best. The top 5 guys have to really benefit from the extra day of rest to come out ahead in that. So it puts you at a competitive disadvantage. But not if everyone else is doing it, too!
I've been kicking around the idea that a 6-man rotation might really benefit Sale, and keep him pitching at an ace level all season, since the "Is This Sale Valid for a Limited Time Only" thread.
Why is this in the mlfa thread? Because of the depth chart. If you have a 6-man rotation, your two extra starters, who can be counted on to get plenty of starts between them, are your 7 and 8 rather than your 6 and 7.
1. Sale 2. E-Rod 3. "Kluber" 4. Eovaldi 5. "Happ" 6. Houck 7. Pivetta 8. Whitlock 9. Mazza
And you have to subtract 1 until Sale comes back, and if they send Houck to the pen when he does, it's probably until the deadline.
So in a six-man rotation, it's Whitlock and Mazza who are filling the injury-replacement roles for much of the season. Seabold and Mata are going to be in the mix perhaps as early as mid-season, but if you do want to go to a 6-man rotation at season's start you are actually running a risk of being thin, despite the strength of the first 7 names on that list! One injury from guys 2 through 7 is going to make you think about scrapping the idea, while 2 very likely has you punting.
But ... not if some NRI guy has wowed you in ST and inserted himself after Pivetta. If the 7th guy on your depth chart is a guy you really want to get an MLB look at as a starter, that makes the 6-man rotation hugely more attractive and likely.
I think we've always expected them to sign some starting pitchers to NRI deals, hoping to strike gold. The degree to which they do this may be an indication of how seriously they're taking the 6-man rotation idea. It's just another reason, and a real good one, to acquire so much pitching depth it seems stupid.
(If they re-sign Zack Godley, who was spectacular on 5 days rest last year, then you know they're thinking of this.)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 18, 2020 22:27:54 GMT -5
As good a place as any to put this observation ... Cora in his media interview mentioned that a lot of teams are considering six-man rotations in order to limit starting pitcher innings, since everyone threw so few last year. Now, the big downside of a six-man rotation, of course, is that you're taking a bunch of starts away from your top 5 starters and giving them to your sixth-best. The top 5 guys have to really benefit from the extra day of rest to come out ahead in that. So it puts you at a competitive disadvantage. But not if everyone else is doing it, too! I've been kicking around the idea that a 6-man rotation might really benefit Sale, and keep him pitching at an ace level all season, since the "Is This Sale Valid for a Limited Time Only" thread. Why is this in the mlfa thread? Because of the depth chart. If you have a 6-man rotation, your two extra starters, who can be counted on to get plenty of starts between them, are your 7 and 8 rather than your 6 and 7. 1. Sale 2. E-Rod 3. "Kluber" 4. Eovaldi 5. "Happ" 6. Houck 7. Pivetta 8. Whitlock 9. Mazza And you have to subtract 1 until Sale comes back, and if they send Houck to the pen when he does, it's probably until the deadline. So in a six-man rotation, it's Whitlock and Mazza who are filling the injury-replacement roles for much of the season. Seabold and Mata are going to be in the mix perhaps as early as mid-season, but if you do want to go to a 6-man rotation at season's start you are actually running a risk of being thin, despite the strength of the first 7 names on that list! One injury from guys 2 through 7 is going to make you think about scrapping the idea, while 2 very likely has you punting. But ... not if some NRI guy has wowed you in ST and inserted himself after Pivetta. If the 7th guy on your depth chart is a guy you really want to get an MLB look at as a starter, that makes the 6-man rotation hugely more attractive and likely. I think we've always expected them to sign some starting pitchers to NRI deals, hoping to strike gold. The degree to which they do this may be an indication of how seriously they're taking the 6-man rotation idea. It's just another reason, and a real good one, to acquire so much pitching depth it seems stupid. (If they re-sign Zack Godley, who was spectacular on 5 days rest last year, then you know they're thinking of this.)
Houck has options, Pivetta doesn't.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 19, 2020 17:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 19, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -5
Kelly was a non-drafted FA out of Newberry Collge in SC who was a solid but unimpressive reliever in the A's (2017) and Angels (2018) system, finishing the latter season in low-A. [Not high-A as originally typed!]
Which is of course why he started 2019 in AA and was good enough in his first 6 outings (17 IP, 17 K, 11 H, 11 BB, .250 BABIP, .050 Iso) to get converted to the rotation, where he had better command (66 SO, 17 BB in 57.1) but was hit much harder (.364 BABIP, .127 Iso). Last pitched on 8/29, so it's unclear when he had the surgery.
He seems to have been released by the Angels. Obviously he's got some upside that interests them, but this looks more like an organizational piece for the AA pen. Still, interesting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2020 20:13:18 GMT -5
He had the surgery in late June after getting injured in February in spring training. He was one of the players the Angels cut after the moratorium on transactions was lifted in May.
My bet is he starts on the IL but could be AA pitching depth who can either start or relieve. They're a shade thin in AA with starters.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 22, 2020 15:40:11 GMT -5
Team announced that Baldwin, Pereda, Ockimey, Puello, Blair, Espinal, Gonsalves, McCarthy, and Simpson got NRIs.
This group have all been signed/re-signed as MLFAs, and the NRI was part of the deal. Others fitting that description who were not announced, and therefore presumably who do not have NRIs are Gettys, Kelly, Disla, De Jesus, Meneses, and Mieses. Gettys is a surprise to me, Meneses and Mieses milder surprises.
There will be a second group of guys who were already under contract announced later. Will certainly include Downs, Duran, De La Guerra, Munoz, Hart, Weber, and Hall, plus guys who clear waivers between now and then. I think guys like Ward, Reyes, Feltman, Shawaryn, Poyner, Ort, and maybe even Casas (argument against it is to temper expectations, argument for it is to give him exposure to big league camp) are also possibilities for that group.
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Post by soxaddict on Dec 22, 2020 16:50:30 GMT -5
Team announced that Baldwin, Pereda, Ockimey, Puello, Blair, Espinal, Gonsalves, McCarthy, and Simpson got NRIs. This group have all been signed/re-signed as MLFAs, and the NRI was part of the deal. Others fitting that description who were not announced, and therefore presumably who do not have NRIs are Gettys, Kelly, Disla, De Jesus, Meneses, and Mieses. Gettys is a surprise to me, Meneses and Mieses milder surprises. There will be a second group of guys who were already under contract announced later. Will certainly include Downs, Duran, De La Guerra, Munoz, Hart, Weber, and Hall, plus guys who clear waivers between now and then. I think guys like Ward, Reyes, Feltman, Shawaryn, Poyner, Ort, and maybe even Casas (argument against it is to temper expectations, argument for it is to give him exposure to big league camp) are also possibilities for that group. For sure. Depending on what the Sox do in CF, especially if JBJ doesn’t return, I could see Gettys getting a look. He could turn out to be one of the best under the radar moves Bloom has made.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 4, 2021 14:01:02 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 4, 2021 17:55:05 GMT -5
He was terrific in An Officer and a Gentleman.
Kidding aside, they had room for maybe one more guy in Worcester. This gives them flexibility to deploy guys like Mazza and Weber in whatever role it looks like they will fit best in.
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