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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2020 9:22:07 GMT -5
Today is the deadline to protect players from the Rule 5 draft, which will be held on December 10. The following players are the most likely to be protected: Eduard Bazardo Jay Groome Bryan Mata Hudson Potts Jeisson Rosario Connor Seabold Connor Wong *Note that Chris and Ian discussed on their most recent podcast, which you should definitely check out ( link).
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2020 12:55:42 GMT -5
Per MLBTR, Tigers selected four prospects and are now at 40. If they don't make a later move to remove someone, we'll be picking 3rd in the Rule 5.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2020 13:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 20, 2020 13:30:47 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2020 14:07:04 GMT -5
Great link.
BTW, huge numbers of mlfa signings are being announced. Is there a rule that exempts them from the Rule 5? That would make a lot of sense.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 20, 2020 15:40:31 GMT -5
No. There is no injured list during the offseason. Great link. BTW, huge numbers of mlfa signings are being announced. Is there a rule that exempts them from the Rule 5? That would make a lot of sense.
No, they're eligible. Recall Josh Rutledge leaving as a FA, signing a minor league deal with the Rockies, and the Red Sox picking him in the Rule 5 draft. For this reason (I presume) I know the Red Sox, at least, have held off on making signings official until January or February in the past even when the player agreed in the early offseason to sign.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2020 18:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2020 18:16:57 GMT -5
Two down.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2020 18:32:50 GMT -5
Red Sox removed Hart, Weber, and Hall from the roster, which seems to indicate that all seven mentioned above will be added.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 20, 2020 19:32:37 GMT -5
So they can't select anyone, correct?
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Post by jimoh on Nov 20, 2020 19:36:16 GMT -5
What about Pedroia? Can they open up a spot by having The Talk?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2020 19:43:29 GMT -5
So they can't select anyone, correct? They can still free up a spot prior to the draft.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2020 19:47:17 GMT -5
So they can't select anyone, correct? What about Pedroia? Can they open up a spot by having The Talk? In theory they have until 8 PM to trim one more guy, but that would be very strange.
It's also possible that one of the teams that hasn't yet announced their moves grabbed someone from us on waivers. Waiver claims are almost always announced by the claiming team. The Phillies have 9 open spots.
Pirates (1 in the Rule 5), Tigers, Red Sox, Orioles, Dbacks (3 through 6), and Rockies (8) all now have full rosters. Maybe the Phillies grabbed someone on waivers from a bunch of them!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 20, 2020 19:47:17 GMT -5
They can also select someone waived today by waiving/DFAing someone else. Can trade for anybody and then put or not put on the rosters depending on the situation.
There's still plenty of time for Pedroia.
This isn't set in stone, it's basic function is to determine who is Rule 5 eligible.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2020 20:13:55 GMT -5
I don't recall many guys being DFA'd in the days between the Rule 5 deadline and the draft itself, but my memory is likely wrong. I think the idea used to be to wauve guys on the day that everyone else was making room.
It could be that GMs have figured out that they should save their last trim until after today, because there's actually a etter chance of clearing waivers that way. That might explain why most of the clubs at the top of the draft have full rosters.
Royals and Mets have still not announced any moves.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2020 20:15:14 GMT -5
They can also select someone waived today by waiving/DFAing someone else. Can trade for anybody and then put or not put on the rosters depending on the situation. There's still plenty of time for Pedroia.This isn't set in stone, it's basic function is to determine who is Rule 5 eligible. Actually, the thing that makes the most sense for us is that they have a Pedroia announcement before December 2.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 20, 2020 20:18:06 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if Bloom doesn't do a little roster shuffling over the next few days. There have to be some players made available that are better fits to the 40 man than some of the current ones. Chatham for example.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 20, 2020 20:20:55 GMT -5
They can also select someone waived today by waiving/DFAing someone else. Can trade for anybody and then put or not put on the rosters depending on the situation. There's still plenty of time for Pedroia.This isn't set in stone, it's basic function is to determine who is Rule 5 eligible. Actually, the thing that makes the most sense for us is that they have a Pedroia announcement before December 2. Yes, plenty of time.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 20, 2020 23:09:30 GMT -5
I don't recall many guys being DFA'd in the days between the Rule 5 deadline and the draft itself, but my memory is likely wrong. I think the idea used to be to wauve guys on the day that everyone else was making room.
It could be that GMs have figured out that they should save their last trim until after today, because there's actually a etter chance of clearing waivers that way. That might explain why most of the clubs at the top of the draft have full rosters. Royals and Mets have still not announced any moves.
For one obvious thing, the non-tender deadline takes place in the interim. Last year, between this date and the Rule 5 Draft, the Red Sox outrighted Brian Johnson, lost Trevor Kelley on waivers, traded Sandy Leon, and non-tendered Marco Hernandez and Josh Osich.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2020 23:19:54 GMT -5
Rule 5 draft order with number of open spots left:
0 Pit 2 Tex 0 Det 0 Bos 0 Bal 0 Ari 0 KC 0 Col 2 LAA 3 NYM 7 Was 1 Sea 3 Phi 0 SF 1 Mil 1 Hou 0 Fla 4 Cin 1 StL 0 Tor 0 NYY 3 ChC 0 ChW 0 Cle 2 Atl 5 Oak 2 Min 0 SD 0 TB 3 LAD
It really looks like the teams at the top of the draft pursued a strategy where they make their last trim after today.
That the 3rd Sox guy was Weber rather than Walden or Brewer tells you how much upside matters for these last roster spots.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 21, 2020 7:18:29 GMT -5
Eric, you're overthinking this. Teams have plenty of time to clear spots. Non-tender deadline for one thing.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 21, 2020 7:48:01 GMT -5
Isn't Brice and Stock still on the 40 man roster? Don't think missed them dfa'd on transactions page. Seems like maybe they would be candidates to go before Walden, who was fairly effective the last year he was fully healthy in 2019 over them. Same with Brewer possibly being another. and AYBAR.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 21, 2020 12:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 21, 2020 14:36:19 GMT -5
Eric, you're overthinking this. Teams have plenty of time to clear spots. Non-tender deadline for one thing. I overthink everything! It's fun.
I get that more trims are coming. I just think it's really interesting that 7 of the top 8 teams filled their rosters for the time being, while only 8 of the other 22 did. The odds against that being random are 56 to 1.
This may happen every year. I've never followed the process this closely because we've never had the 4 pick!
Now, you can DFA guys on the last day to add, or later. It's clear that the teams at the top of the draft had a preference for waiting. That's the only way to explain this.
And it makes sense if it's easier for players to not be claimed on waivers, or to be re-signed as mlfa's, if they are waived later, in the no-selection period. Teams at the top of the draft are usually bad teams, and bad teams would be more concerned with organizational depth and more interested in keeping guys in the organization.
In our case, it looks like Weber and Hall will clear waivers, and I think they'll try to keep Weber. A likely Brice non-tender and/or a Pedroia resolution will open up the slot we need for a pick.
After the Rule 5 it's even easier to sneak guys through waivers. That's when we're back to Walden, Brewer, Stock, Springs, and Mazza, and Aybar, Chatham, Wilson, and Grullon as possible trims, one at a time as they sign FA's. At least 5 of those need to go, barring a multi-for-one player deal.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 21, 2020 14:44:22 GMT -5
Is there a list of best BPAs for the Dec. Rule 5 draft? Looks like the Sox fared well in the last with Arauz.
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