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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2020 20:36:35 GMT -5
I was thinking about that, no real downside to opening up two spots or shudder, 3 if they have enough players that would clear waivers. That would give them options in the spring which wouldn't preclude making a trade to keep the players in the organization but without the need to carry him on the 26 man.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 27, 2020 22:35:44 GMT -5
Think they have several can move thru now Phil and should attempt to get 1-2 relievers in camp, if they see that many available on rule 5 day to run thru camp as look-see guys.
Several candidates have named before myself. I see 5-6 can safely either waive, or DFA if had to. 3 would be easy.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 28, 2020 10:58:08 GMT -5
Yankees: Garrett Whitlock, RHP (unranked on Yankees Top 30)
An over-slot ($247,500) signing as a 17th-rounder from Alabama-Birmingham in 2017, Whitlock spun a 31-inning scoreless streak in his first full pro season and advanced to Double-A before having Tommy John surgery in July 2019. His low-three-quarters delivery creates tremendous sink on his 91-94 mph two-seam fastball and he backs it up with a low-80s slider with two-plane depth.
Yankees were rated as the #21 farm system and had 0 open spots left on deadline day.
Whitlock was a starter in the minors, but I've been looking for guys with two 55 or better pitches rather than those that are already relievers. Hence the Rays Paul Campbell, the #24 prospect in the #1 system (0 open slots) is not on the list, since his value is his high floor as a starter. He may well go in the top 3 picks.
Expanding my list of teams to those who left 2 open spots but had strong farm systems, here's a LHP with the same arsenal. Braves were rated as the #5 system.
Braves: Thomas Burrows, LHP (No. 24) The Braves got Burrows from the Mariners prior to the 2017 season in return for Mallex Smith and Burrows pitched his way to Double-A in 2018. He struggled more in 2019 and wasn’t protected, nor was he selected, a year ago. While he has struggled with his command, he is a lefty who can miss bats (11.6 K/9 in his career).
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Post by seanleary001 on Nov 28, 2020 11:02:23 GMT -5
Riley Pint Riley Pint Riley Pint
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 28, 2020 11:40:12 GMT -5
Riley Pint Riley Pint Riley Pint We are talking about a guy who, a year ago, was the #30 prospect in the #28 farm system at BA, after posting an 8.61 ERA in low-A, where he allowed a .505 OBP vs. a .203 BA. He walked or hit 37% of the batters he faced.
BA had him with a 97-100 FB, and he was working strictly out of the stretch to focus on commanding it. He still had "zero command" of either his "hard, slurvy curveball" or "true slider." His delivery seemed "sound through the start but also plenty of effort through his landing, finish, and extension. That includes a head whack, which has contributed to the loss of a consistent release point."
You can bet that every team in MLB has broken down his mechanics to try and figure out if they can get him to throw strikes. If the Sox have any ideas along those lines, he'd be worth taking with the second pick. But they should be able to land a solid bullpen arm with the #4 pick, while Pint has maybe a 5% chance of being able to pitch adequately in MLB next year.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Nov 29, 2020 10:50:38 GMT -5
Someone like Burrows makes a lot of sense if the Red Sox decide to invest in a BP arm that can miss bats. Especially a left handed reliever. Getting someone who can have an impact at a pittance would be a boon for the Red Sox as we continue to refresh the pitching.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 29, 2020 16:08:45 GMT -5
Kevin Matian might be a good fit. INF is an area of need. Obviously the kid is still very young but they don't really have a guy like him in the system. Might be worth the gamble since Arauz is going to start the year in Worcester (if there's a minor league season)
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Nov 29, 2020 21:49:30 GMT -5
Kevin Matian might be a good fit. INF is an area of need. Obviously the kid is still very young but they don't really have a guy like him in the system. Might be worth the gamble since Arauz is going to start the year in Worcester (if there's a minor league season) Maitan hasn't had much luck living up to his expectations since signing with the Angels. He has not produced at really any level. Also the Angels have a rather poor minor league system so Maitan not being protected likely doesn't mean much for his current standing amongst evaluators.
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Post by cdj on Nov 29, 2020 23:40:23 GMT -5
Pass on Maitan, he’s not gonna be sticking anywhere Interesting that mlb.com had Scherff as our most interesting Rule 5 guy. Not who I would have chosen I don’t mind the idea of Dakota Mekkes. Faced his first bit of adversity in AAA but it was the PCL so his numbers weren’t THAT bad. Outside of that he’s dominated the minors. He needs to throw more strikes but he’s HUGE. Will be one of the biggest pitchers in the league. Mediocre stuff that plays up due to his delivery and the fact that he releases the ball 20 inches from home plays ZERO projection left at 6’7 275 lol I’m sure Cundall hates the Michigan State suggestion
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 30, 2020 11:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 30, 2020 22:53:56 GMT -5
Don't have a subscription to baseball america. Who does JJ Cooper have going to the Red Sox?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 30, 2020 23:13:44 GMT -5
Don't have a subscription to baseball america. Who does JJ Cooper have going to the Red Sox? It wasn't a mock draft, just names. He mentions: Garrett Whitlock, RHP, Yankees Marshall Kasowski, RHP, Dodgers Jose Marte, RHP, Giants Raymond Kerr, LHP, Mariners Matt Krook, LHP, Rays Braeden Ogle, LHP, Pirates Daniel Alvarez, RHP, Giants Kade McClure, RHP, White Sox Joe Barlow, RHP, Rangers Alex Speas, RHP, Rangers
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Post by soxaddict on Nov 30, 2020 23:23:25 GMT -5
Don't have a subscription to baseball america. Who does JJ Cooper have going to the Red Sox? It wasn't a mock draft, just names. He mentions: Garrett Whitlock, RHP, Yankees Marshall Kasowski, RHP, Dodgers Jose Marte, RHP, Giants Raymond Kerr, LHP, Mariners Matt Krook, LHP, Rays Braeden Ogle, LHP, Pirates Daniel Alvarez, RHP, Giants Kade McClure, RHP, White Sox Joe Barlow, RHP, Rangers Alex Speas, RHP, Rangers I didn’t realize Marshall Kaslowski was rule 5 eligible. I had him targeted as a potential part of the Mookie trade. Guy throws gas!
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 1, 2020 0:17:17 GMT -5
This is largely a list of the guys with the highest upside, rather that ones with a low floor who could actually step into a last-man-in pen role. But the two categories are not mutually exclusive, if you have an idea about a mechanics tweak to add command.
I've put the farm system rank and number of open slots as of 11/20 (with the number now if different) for each guy. That'll help you guess the odds that his team would have protected him if they had room.
21, 0 - Garrett Whitlock, RHP, Yankees 12, 3 - Marshall Kasowski, RHP, Dodgers 14, 0 > 3 - Jose Marte, RHP, Giants 2, 1 - Raymond Kerr, LHP, Mariners 1, 0 - Matt Krook, LHP, Rays 16, 0 - Braeden Ogle, LHP, Pirates q.v. - Daniel Alvarez, RHP, Giants 15, 0 - Kade McClure, RHP, White Sox 24, 2 > 1 - Joe Barlow, RHP, Rangers q.v., Alex Speas, RHP, Rangers
Only four teams have opened up a slot in the 10 days since the selection deadline; the other three besides the Giants are the Rockies, D'Backs, and Indians.
Eleven teams still have a full roster, including the 1, 3, 4, 5, and 7 picking teams. It would make sense that the more teams that wait until the day before the draft to clear a spot, the better the odds of the guy nor being claimed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 1, 2020 10:37:24 GMT -5
FWIW, "guy with great stuff but crap command/control" has already emerged as a Chaim Bloom target archetype. I don't necessarily mean a guy who throws hard so much as a guy like Caleb Simpson, who has a good arsenal and can't locate.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 1, 2020 11:10:48 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 1, 2020 13:06:48 GMT -5
FWIW, "guy with great stuff but crap command/control" has already emerged as a Chaim Bloom target archetype. I don't necessarily mean a guy who throws hard so much as a guy like Caleb Simpson, who has a good arsenal and can't locate. Do the Rays have any track record of teaching guys to throw strikes?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 1, 2020 13:08:56 GMT -5
FWIW, "guy with great stuff but crap command/control" has already emerged as a Chaim Bloom target archetype. I don't necessarily mean a guy who throws hard so much as a guy like Caleb Simpson, who has a good arsenal and can't locate. Do the Rays have any track record of teaching guys to throw strikes? No idea. Just something we noticed with the guys he was acquiring over the past year. Very unscientific observation as well, fwiw. Just seemed after a few pitching waiver claims a pattern was forming. That might just say more about what kinds of players are in the position to be put on waivers (i.e., were at one point added to a 40-man roster in the first place) and are then put on waivers (i.e., the kind who were in the first group but then the team decides they need that roster spot) too, thinking about it more. But that could just as easily be said about the Rule 5 Draft, to some degree.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 1, 2020 13:45:19 GMT -5
I apologize for my laziness; how's this for a few excerpts: Pre-2020 write-up of Marshall Kasowski: "A severe car accident in 2015 nearly derailed his career” "...left the University of Houston in 2016 [for] West Texas A&M University and dominated with 165 Ks in 93.1 innings of 2.22 ERA baseball." 177K in 107.2 ip in A and AA. Fastball has "profound zip paired up with nice movement and deceptive delivery" … "curveball has a solid hook ...[;] offers strong velocity differential from his hard fastball, but command issues stand in the way of it being a truly above average pitch"; same problem with his change "...He stands to develop into a high-leverage reliever, potentially a closer,…" "it’s likely he’ll pitch in the lowest of the low-leverage situations until” control and command improve. So is that too hard to do for a rule 5 pick?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 1, 2020 14:48:25 GMT -5
I apologize for my laziness; how's this for a few excerpts: Pre-2020 write-up of Marshall Kasowski: "A severe car accident in 2015 nearly derailed his career” "...left the University of Houston in 2016 [for] West Texas A&M University and dominated with 165 Ks in 93.1 innings of 2.22 ERA baseball." 177K in 107.2 ip in A and AA. Fastball has "profound zip paired up with nice movement and deceptive delivery" … "curveball has a solid hook ...[;] offers strong velocity differential from his hard fastball, but command issues stand in the way of it being a truly above average pitch"; same problem with his change "...He stands to develop into a high-leverage reliever, potentially a closer,…" "it’s likely he’ll pitch in the lowest of the low-leverage situations until” control and command improve. So is that too hard to do for a rule 5 pick? Even though I'm not a huge fan of guys who can't throw strikes consistently, that K ratio is exciting. I hope the Sox draft Kasowski. I remember looking him up when he was a possibility to be included in the Betts trade. Also makes me wonder why the Sox couldn't pry him away then seeing how the Dodgers didn't put him on their 40 man roster. I'd be cool with Whitlock, too, if they can't get Kaswoski.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 1, 2020 22:39:50 GMT -5
I apologize for my laziness; how's this for a few excerpts: Pre-2020 write-up of Marshall Kasowski: "A severe car accident in 2015 nearly derailed his career” "...left the University of Houston in 2016 [for] West Texas A&M University and dominated with 165 Ks in 93.1 innings of 2.22 ERA baseball." 177K in 107.2 ip in A and AA. Fastball has "profound zip paired up with nice movement and deceptive delivery" … "curveball has a solid hook ...[;] offers strong velocity differential from his hard fastball, but command issues stand in the way of it being a truly above average pitch"; same problem with his change "...He stands to develop into a high-leverage reliever, potentially a closer,…" "it’s likely he’ll pitch in the lowest of the low-leverage situations until” control and command improve. So is that too hard to do for a rule 5 pick? He'd be a good pick. Boston could throw him in the pen on day one.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 2, 2020 11:04:41 GMT -5
JJ Cooper has an interesting article up on the MiLB portion of the Rule 5 draft. I was admittedly not sure of the qualifications for that portion of the draft until now. Essentially, a player is eligible if they would be eligible for the Rule 5 draft and were left off both the 40-man MLB roster AND the 38-player Triple A roster. There are no roster restrictions - once picked they are automatically part of the new organization. It costs $24k to make a pick. Looking through the list of eligible Red Sox minor leaguers, there are a few names that could potentially be picked - Pedro Castellanos and Roldani Baldwin are kind of prospect-y. www.baseballamerica.com/stories/smart-front-offices-are-taking-advantage-of-the-minor-league-rule-5-draft/
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2020 11:34:04 GMT -5
JJ Cooper has an interesting article up on the MiLB portion of the Rule 5 draft. I was admittedly not sure of the qualifications for that portion of the draft until now. Essentially, a player is eligible if they would be eligible for the Rule 5 draft and were left off both the 40-man MLB roster AND the 38-player Triple A roster. There are no roster restrictions - once picked they are automatically part of the new organization. It costs $24k to make a pick. Looking through the list of eligible Red Sox minor leaguers, there are a few names that could potentially be picked - Pedro Castellanos and Roldani Baldwin are kind of prospect-y. www.baseballamerica.com/stories/smart-front-offices-are-taking-advantage-of-the-minor-league-rule-5-draft/To clarify further, a player does not have to have made it to AAA to be on the 38-man Triple-A reserve list - it's kind of like the 40-man in that sense. Neither of those players will be exposed to the MiLB portion of the Rule 5 Draft, I can assure you. The Red Sox have typically taken a couple of players in the minor league/AAA portion of the draft, but not much has generally come of those players. www.soxprospects.com/dhrule5.htm As for players eligible from the Red Sox org, when you combine the Venn diagram of "players eligible for Rule 5" and "players not on the MLB or AAA Reserve List," there only winds up being 20 or so guys at most, and often fewer (and they're joined on the list, when you see it, by guys who are technically on Restricted Lists and things who are never playing again like the Christopher Acostas and Jeff Driskels of the world).
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 3, 2020 6:07:45 GMT -5
Current open roster spots, together with farm system rank post-deadline, and Rule 5 pick. Teams with 0-2 open spots average 10th in farm rank. Teams with 3+ open spots rank 20th on average. Sox are a huge outlier. Something tells me the 25 ranking is too low. Tm Open Sys Pick Det 0 6 3 Bos 0 25 4 TB 1 1 29 Sea 1 2 12 SD 1 7 28 Ari 1 8 6 Pit 1 16 1 Hou 1 18 16 NYY 1 21 21 Mia 2 3 17 Tor 2 4 20 Atl 2 5 25 LAD 2 12 30 ChW 2 15 23 Phi 3 19 13 StL 3 22 19 Cle 4 10 24 Min 4 11 27 Bal 4 13 5 Tex 4 24 2 Col 4 29 8 Mil 5 26 15 ChC 5 27 22 Oak 5 28 26 KC 6 9 7 NYM 6 20 10 LAA 6 23 9 SF 7 14 14 Was 7 30 11 Cin 8 17 18
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Post by longgone24 on Dec 6, 2020 14:19:30 GMT -5
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