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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 24, 2021 1:05:33 GMT -5
Whitlock has to basically stay on the Red Sox roster all year as a MLB rule 5 selection. What differentiates him from the minor league phase? Service time? Level achieved?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 24, 2021 9:59:00 GMT -5
Whitlock has to basically stay on the Red Sox roster all year as a MLB rule 5 selection. What differentiates him from the minor league phase? Service time? Level achieved? He wasn't on the NYY 40-man roster. That made him eligible for the MLB Rule 5. He was on the NYY AAA Reserve roster, so he couldn't have been taken in the AAA Rule 5 draft. Other players are on neither 40-man nor AAA Reserve. They can be drafted in MLB or AAA phase of Rule 5.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 24, 2021 10:53:39 GMT -5
Whitlock has to basically stay on the Red Sox roster all year as a MLB rule 5 selection. What differentiates him from the minor league phase? Service time? Level achieved? He wasn't on the NYY 40-man roster. That made him eligible for the MLB Rule 5. He was on the NYY AAA Reserve roster, so he couldn't have been taken in the AAA Rule 5 draft. Other players are on neither 40-man nor AAA Reserve. They can be drafted in MLB or AAA phase of Rule 5. Thank you
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 24, 2021 11:05:30 GMT -5
There would never be a case where a non-40-man roster player who is AA or lower would be taken in the major league phase as he would have to stay on the mlb roster the entire year then. AA or lower would always be taken in the minor league phase.
The best rule 5 eligible prospects would be added to the 40-man. Other rule 5 AAA would be forced to stay on the mlb roster if taken, and only AA would be eligible for the minor league phase.....so if a AA non 40-man prospect were in danger of being taken wouldn’t a team simply move a player to AAA to keep them from being taken in the minor league phase?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 24, 2021 11:11:17 GMT -5
There would never be a case where a non-40-man roster player who is AA or lower would be taken in the major league phase as he would have to stay on the mlb roster the entire year then. AA or lower would always be taken in the minor league phase. The best rule 5 eligible prospects would be added to the 40-man. Other rule 5 AAA would be forced to stay on the mlb roster if taken, and only AA would be eligible for the minor league phase.....so if a AA non 40-man prospect were in danger of being taken wouldn’t a team simply move a player to AAA to keep them from being taken in the minor league phase? The first overall pick in the 2020 Rule 5 Draft, Jose Soriano, has never played above low-A.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 24, 2021 11:20:31 GMT -5
There would never be a case where a non-40-man roster player who is AA or lower would be taken in the major league phase as he would have to stay on the mlb roster the entire year then. AA or lower would always be taken in the minor league phase. The best rule 5 eligible prospects would be added to the 40-man. Other rule 5 AAA would be forced to stay on the mlb roster if taken, and only AA would be eligible for the minor league phase.....so if a AA non 40-man prospect were in danger of being taken wouldn’t a team simply move a player to AAA to keep them from being taken in the minor league phase? AAA reserve list is 38 players. Don't confuse it with the AAA active roster. Heck, Arauz had only played a little bit in AA when the Red Sox selected him. Players below AAA get picked in rule 5 all the time and, in fact, are the majority of such players probably (consider that if a guy is good enough to get picked and is in AAA he's probably on the 40-man roster). There's also the point of the MLB phase of the rule 5 draft happens first and the players are better. The minor league rule 5 draft rarely leads to the selection of a meaningful player.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 24, 2021 11:23:24 GMT -5
There would never be a case where a non-40-man roster player who is AA or lower would be taken in the major league phase as he would have to stay on the mlb roster the entire year then. AA or lower would always be taken in the minor league phase. The best rule 5 eligible prospects would be added to the 40-man. Other rule 5 AAA would be forced to stay on the mlb roster if taken, and only AA would be eligible for the minor league phase.....so if a AA non 40-man prospect were in danger of being taken wouldn’t a team simply move a player to AAA to keep them from being taken in the minor league phase? The first overall pick in the 2020 Rule 5 Draft, Jose Soriano, has never played above low-A. And of course Jonathan Arauz had never played above AA (and had played only 28 games in AA) before the Sox took him a year ago and kept him on the mlb roster the whole (short) season in 2020.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 24, 2021 11:59:44 GMT -5
There would never be a case where a non-40-man roster player who is AA or lower would be taken in the major league phase as he would have to stay on the mlb roster the entire year then. AA or lower would always be taken in the minor league phase. The best rule 5 eligible prospects would be added to the 40-man. Other rule 5 AAA would be forced to stay on the mlb roster if taken, and only AA would be eligible for the minor league phase.....so if a AA non 40-man prospect were in danger of being taken wouldn’t a team simply move a player to AAA to keep them from being taken in the minor league phase? The first overall pick in the 2020 Rule 5 Draft, Jose Soriano, has never played above low-A. why would the team choosing him not just take him in the minor league phase then?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 24, 2021 12:02:42 GMT -5
There would never be a case where a non-40-man roster player who is AA or lower would be taken in the major league phase as he would have to stay on the mlb roster the entire year then. AA or lower would always be taken in the minor league phase. The best rule 5 eligible prospects would be added to the 40-man. Other rule 5 AAA would be forced to stay on the mlb roster if taken, and only AA would be eligible for the minor league phase.....so if a AA non 40-man prospect were in danger of being taken wouldn’t a team simply move a player to AAA to keep them from being taken in the minor league phase? AAA reserve list is 38 players. Don't confuse it with the AAA active roster. Heck, Arauz had only played a little bit in AA when the Red Sox selected him. Players below AAA get picked in rule 5 all the time and, in fact, are the majority of such players probably (consider that if a guy is good enough to get picked and is in AAA he's probably on the 40-man roster). There's also the point of the MLB phase of the rule 5 draft happens first and the players are better. The minor league rule 5 draft rarely leads to the selection of a meaningful player. That is the answer I am looking for....the better player are chosen in the mlb phase as they would be gone if a team waited to select them in the minor league phase!!! Got it thanks!!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 24, 2021 17:36:08 GMT -5
AAA reserve list is 38 players. Don't confuse it with the AAA active roster. Heck, Arauz had only played a little bit in AA when the Red Sox selected him. Players below AAA get picked in rule 5 all the time and, in fact, are the majority of such players probably (consider that if a guy is good enough to get picked and is in AAA he's probably on the 40-man roster). There's also the point of the MLB phase of the rule 5 draft happens first and the players are better. The minor league rule 5 draft rarely leads to the selection of a meaningful player. That is the answer I am looking for....the better player are chosen in the mlb phase as they would be gone if a team waited to select them in the minor league phase!!! Got it thanks!! It's not even that. The AAA reserve list is like the AAA 40-man roster. In a given offseason, there are very few players who are (1) Rule 5 eligible, and (2) not on either the MLB or AAA reserve list. The Red Sox only had roughly 20 guys who fit both criteria in December (plus a handful of guys who are technically under contract but not playing, like Jeff Driskel or Christopher Acosta). If someone is good enough to be taken in the MLB phase of the Rule 5 draft, then it's extremely unlikely that player is not on their team's AAA reserve list. For example, a guy like Alex Scherff was Rule 5 eligible and wasn't protected from the MLB phase, but he was on the AAA reserve list despite not having pitched above Low A.
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Post by cdj on Feb 24, 2021 18:01:44 GMT -5
That is the answer I am looking for....the better player are chosen in the mlb phase as they would be gone if a team waited to select them in the minor league phase!!! Got it thanks!! It's not even that. The AAA reserve list is like the AAA 40-man roster. In a given offseason, there are very few players who are (1) Rule 5 eligible, and (2) not on either the MLB or AAA reserve list. The Red Sox only had roughly 20 guys who fit both criteria in December (plus a handful of guys who are technically under contract but not playing, like Jeff Driskel or Christopher Acosta). If someone is good enough to be taken in the MLB phase of the Rule 5 draft, then it's extremely unlikely that player is not on their team's AAA reserve list. For example, a guy like Alex Scherff was Rule 5 eligible and wasn't protected from the MLB phase, but he was on the AAA reserve list despite not having pitched above Low A. What was the deal with Acosta? I imagine it had to be more than just general maturity issues. I remember being quite excited about him. And is it a situation where if another team had hypothetically drafted him in the minor league rule 5 he would go and play in that org? Or is he just done with baseball?
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 25, 2021 8:14:49 GMT -5
Hooray! It's time for the annual Christopher Acosta update!
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Post by cdj on Feb 25, 2021 12:07:06 GMT -5
Hooray! It's time for the annual Christopher Acosta update! Lol to be honest and fair I’m not really looking for an update, I know he’s never playing for the Sox. I just wanna know what he did- basically I want to know where he falls on the spectrum of 1 (Chavis popping for PEDs) to 10 (Aaron hernandez). We talkin like a 6 (Jon Denney)? An 8 (Cody Kukuk)? I have a hunger and this is the forbidden fruit that I must eat!!!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 25, 2021 12:40:49 GMT -5
We have no idea what the deal was there. I endeavor to find out someday but don't hold out much hope that it'll be on-the-record and I'll be able to share it!
And as far as a team selecting him in minor league rule 5, sure they could, but they'd then just have him in their system not playing, so I don't see the point. He's been given the opportunity to come back before - seems clear the lack of interest is on the player side.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 1, 2021 23:09:56 GMT -5
We have no idea what the deal was there. I endeavor to find out someday but don't hold out much hope that it'll be on-the-record and I'll be able to share it! And as far as a team selecting him in minor league rule 5, sure they could, but they'd then just have him in their system not playing, so I don't see the point. He's been given the opportunity to come back before - seems clear the lack of interest is on the player side. So prospects with any real talent are taken in the mlb phase of the rule 5 draft. It seems the minor league phase would almost be considered roster filler, but why not take someone if you have a hole on one of your minor teams....
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 1, 2021 23:38:04 GMT -5
We have no idea what the deal was there. I endeavor to find out someday but don't hold out much hope that it'll be on-the-record and I'll be able to share it! And as far as a team selecting him in minor league rule 5, sure they could, but they'd then just have him in their system not playing, so I don't see the point. He's been given the opportunity to come back before - seems clear the lack of interest is on the player side. So prospects with any real talent are taken in the mlb phase of the rule 5 draft. It seems the minor league phase would almost be considered roster filler, but why not take someone if you have a hole on one of your minor teams.... Well for one, the team that selects the player has to pay the player's previous organization $24,500. It's not that much, but also prevents teams from taking too many fliers on org depth types.
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Post by foreverred9 on Mar 1, 2021 23:41:26 GMT -5
So prospects with any real talent are taken in the mlb phase of the rule 5 draft. It seems the minor league phase would almost be considered roster filler, but why not take someone if you have a hole on one of your minor teams.... Well for one, the team that selects the player has to pay the player's previous organization $24,500. It's not that much, but also prevents teams from taking too many fliers on org depth types. Not much... until you convert to "MILB salary equivalents". For the cost of 2 AAA players, you can select a player in the rule 5 draft.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 2, 2021 14:10:16 GMT -5
Well for one, the team that selects the player has to pay the player's previous organization $24,500. It's not that much, but also prevents teams from taking too many fliers on org depth types. Not much... until you convert to "MILB salary equivalents". For the cost of 2 AAA players, you can select a player in the rule 5 draft. The only sizable money many of the guys drafted every make is the signing bonus. The vast majority never even make it to AAA let alone the mlb. If I were drafted the signing bonus would have to be more than the scholarship money (tuition, room and board), or I would turn it down and go to college especially if I were a 20th or higher draft choice.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 25, 2021 14:48:10 GMT -5
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