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Post by chr31ter on Jan 21, 2021 20:07:58 GMT -5
Things might be heating up with Kiké Hernandez... unless they're not.
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Post by nomar on Jan 21, 2021 21:03:33 GMT -5
Things might be heating up with Kiké Hernandez... unless they're not. The mild stove >>>>
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Post by manfred on Jan 21, 2021 21:26:33 GMT -5
What is the idea with Hernandez? Would he play 2B? Utilityman? CF?
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Post by Canseco on Jan 21, 2021 21:46:05 GMT -5
What is the idea with Hernandez? Would he play 2B? Utilityman? CF? I’m hoping super utilityman who gets a majority of his reps at 2B.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 21, 2021 21:57:50 GMT -5
To summarize....The Sox might be talking to Kiké, or they might not be. They might sign Kiké, or they might not. If they do sign him it might be soon, or it might not.
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 21, 2021 22:11:17 GMT -5
This off-season is killing me...gonna turn on the podcast and see what chaim has to say about it
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Post by levi on Jan 21, 2021 22:33:17 GMT -5
I think Kiké makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox. He can pretty much play any position (except C/P) pretty well and his spray chart overlay on Fenway is *really* appealing. He also seems to be a good clubhouse guy and a fan favorite in LA. I could see a 2yr/11MM deal. Pederson would also be a good addition for probably ~$9MM given a Benintendi trade. He was just extremely unlikely last year -- same barrel % as in 2019 (when he was a 3 WAR player).
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Post by manfred on Jan 21, 2021 22:40:55 GMT -5
I think Kiké makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox. He can pretty much play any position (except C/P) pretty well and his spray chart overlay on Fenway is *really* appealing. He also seems to be a good clubhouse guy and a fan favorite in LA. I could see a 2yr/11MM deal. Pederson would also be a good addition for probably ~$9MM given a Benintendi trade. He was just extremely unlikely last year -- same barrel % as in 2019 (when he was a 3 WAR player). I reeeeallly hope they aren’t in on Pederson. We’ve seen his best, which was good... but it is not frequent. I suppose he could platoon with Renfroe, but then you are spending a lot on two guys just to fill one hole.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 21, 2021 23:05:01 GMT -5
I think Kiké makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox. He can pretty much play any position (except C/P) pretty well and his spray chart overlay on Fenway is *really* appealing. He also seems to be a good clubhouse guy and a fan favorite in LA. I could see a 2yr/11MM deal. Pederson would also be a good addition for probably ~$9MM given a Benintendi trade. He was just extremely unlikely last year -- same barrel % as in 2019 (when he was a 3 WAR player). I reeeeallly hope they aren’t in on Pederson. We’ve seen his best, which was good... but it is not frequent. I suppose he could platoon with Renfroe, but then you are spending a lot on two guys just to fill one hole. I agree with you on Pederson, he's too inconsistent. Id rather hope for a beni bounce back than trading beni and signing pederson for probably what beni is getting paid.
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Post by levi on Jan 21, 2021 23:24:44 GMT -5
I reeeeallly hope they aren’t in on Pederson. We’ve seen his best, which was good... but it is not frequent. I suppose he could platoon with Renfroe, but then you are spending a lot on two guys just to fill one hole. I agree with you on Pederson, he's too inconsistent. Id rather hope for a beni bounce back than trading beni and signing pederson for probably what beni is getting paid. That's the whole point, isn't it? Trade Benintendi for prospects and get a similar player in FA for "probably what Benintendi is getting paid" as you said. Pederson is projected to be a better player in 2021 than Benintendi by Depth Charts (2.1 vs 1.6), Steamer (2.4 vs 1.6), and ZiPS (2.7 vs 1.5). Also important to note that Benintendi's projections are for roughly 600 PA while Pederson's are for roughly 500 PA.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 21, 2021 23:31:35 GMT -5
I agree with you on Pederson, he's too inconsistent. Id rather hope for a beni bounce back than trading beni and signing pederson for probably what beni is getting paid. That's the whole point, isn't it? Trade Benintendi for prospects and get a similar player in FA for "probably what Benintendi is getting paid" as you said. Pederson is projected to be a better player in 2021 than Benintendi by Depth Charts (2.1 vs 1.6), Steamer (2.4 vs 1.6), and ZiPS (2.7 vs 1.5). Also important to note that Benintendi's projections are for roughly 600 PA while Pederson's are for roughly 500 PA. I'm not saying itd be the worst move overall but I guess I just don't buy those projections on Pederson but sites know more than I so I'm probably wrong.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 22, 2021 0:14:35 GMT -5
Unexciting move, but one I can see the Sox actually making. I figure it's either Semien or Hernandez, but I'd lean toward Hernandez because the Sox will probably utilize him in the outfield if/when JBJ goes elsewhere. And of course if Arroyo flops they could mean Hernandez to 2b if Duran is ready to take over CF, and of course they could always platoon him there with Duran.
I'm not a big fan of getting Hernandez. If they do, I hope it's a very short-term contract that isn't too expensive, but I think the Sox will wind up spending 2 years $14 million to get him. Hope it's less than that as I'm of the opinion that his offense, particularly against righties isn't too good and he's pushing 30 so it's hard to see him doing better. I do think this signing will happen.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 22, 2021 0:26:25 GMT -5
I reeeeallly hope they aren’t in on Pederson. We’ve seen his best, which was good... but it is not frequent. I suppose he could platoon with Renfroe, but then you are spending a lot on two guys just to fill one hole. I agree with you on Pederson, he's too inconsistent. Id rather hope for a beni bounce back than trading beni and signing pederson for probably what beni is getting paid. Idk, a Pederson and Renfroe platoon seems like a decent idea to me. Pederson is the best non CF outfielder on the market right now.
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 0:58:34 GMT -5
I agree with you on Pederson, he's too inconsistent. Id rather hope for a beni bounce back than trading beni and signing pederson for probably what beni is getting paid. That's the whole point, isn't it? Trade Benintendi for prospects and get a similar player in FA for "probably what Benintendi is getting paid" as you said. Pederson is projected to be a better player in 2021 than Benintendi by Depth Charts (2.1 vs 1.6), Steamer (2.4 vs 1.6), and ZiPS (2.7 vs 1.5). Also important to note that Benintendi's projections are for roughly 600 PA while Pederson's are for roughly 500 PA. But then you have to pay Renfroe, Pederson, AND one more guy, because you are still down an OF. So it will cost much more than just Beni. And then you are spending more to be just about as good (which isn’t very) while not really advancing a long term build. It is a statistical push, maybe, but it seems strategically incoherent. If they are trying to be cost efficient but need to fill SP, RP, CF, and 2B, why spend on LF? The only way it is excusable is an elite haul for Beni... which seems a bit unlikely.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 22, 2021 7:37:30 GMT -5
At least the Sox are interested! Thats good enough for me.
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Post by shagworthy on Jan 22, 2021 7:44:45 GMT -5
That's the whole point, isn't it? Trade Benintendi for prospects and get a similar player in FA for "probably what Benintendi is getting paid" as you said. Pederson is projected to be a better player in 2021 than Benintendi by Depth Charts (2.1 vs 1.6), Steamer (2.4 vs 1.6), and ZiPS (2.7 vs 1.5). Also important to note that Benintendi's projections are for roughly 600 PA while Pederson's are for roughly 500 PA. But then you have to pay Renfroe, Pederson, AND one more guy, because you are still down an OF. So it will cost much more than just Beni. And then you are spending more to be just about as good (which isn’t very) while not really advancing a long term build. It is a statistical push, maybe, but it seems strategically incoherent. If they are trying to be cost efficient but need to fill SP, RP, CF, and 2B, why spend on LF? The only way it is excusable is an elite haul for Beni... which seems a bit unlikely. I don't see the Sox getting enough value in trading Beni back from any club without attaching additional players on our side that would further weaken us. Not at this time in the season, MAYBE, MAYBE at the deadline if he shows a rebound, and even then a rebound depending on how big it is changes the calculus on whether it's still a good move. The one thing any club that trades for Beni is banking on is additional potential. Signing Pederson is basically saying we're capping our potential for the price of insurance. But, if the Sox are going down this road, as said before, I'd almost rather them identify 2-3 core players, and trade the rest of the team then field another year of Bad News Bears and hope for the best. That to me would be Vasuez, Erod, Beni, Potentially Bogey all on the market and then hit 2022 FA with all the financial might they could. I may be in the minority, but I see their long term core as Devers, Verdugo, and conditionally Bogey (if they can move him off SS). If they can't move Bogey off SS, and it gets close to his opt out, they need to move him and not feel the slightest bit of guilt.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 22, 2021 16:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 22, 2021 16:46:51 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi Source: Enrique Hernández and #RedSox have made progress on a deal. @mlb @mlbnetwork
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 22, 2021 16:47:52 GMT -5
Momentum...
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 22, 2021 16:51:32 GMT -5
Another weekend prediction!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 22, 2021 16:55:56 GMT -5
When the free agent offseason started, I can't say that Hernandez was somebody I was hoping the Sox would pursue. I still feel that way. Hope the deal isn't for more than a year, but it probably will be. I hope they don't intend on playing him every day. He can't hit righties. He's best as a short half of a platoon.
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Post by ramireja on Jan 22, 2021 17:06:09 GMT -5
His defensive versatility would very welcomed on this roster as currently constructed. He's played literally every position minus catcher in his career and we need both a backup SS and CF (if Verdugo is now the CF). So he's a good fit in that sense, a great clubhouse presence, and has some offensive upside against LHP. On the downside, if you view Renfroe as the guy you want to work in a platoon situation, he and Kiké are both below average bats against RHP so thats not ideal..
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 22, 2021 17:10:31 GMT -5
Another weekend prediction! Lol ya it's getting funny at this point. Like it's all reputable reporters, but Chaim likes to play with all of them.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 22, 2021 17:16:21 GMT -5
Couple ifs here, I'll wait to see if this deal gets complete and I'll wait to see what the money attached if that deal happens but I think he would add some much needed versatility to the team. Adding him shouldn't stop them from adding a more full time cf or 2nd baseman should bloom see a deal he likes so that's a plus as well.
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Post by fenwaymabe on Jan 22, 2021 17:44:13 GMT -5
All things being equal, I'd rather give Arroyo some rope to run with second base. Arroyo can play SS, 3B, and second. Don't forget we also have Yairo Munoz who can play all over as well not to mention Chavis who originally played a lot of third and has been shuffled between 2nd and LF regularly. I would rather beef up the bullpen than add another guy that's probably not moving the needle very much.
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