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Red Sox FA Target: Kiké Hernandez (Update: Signed)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 23, 2021 0:58:44 GMT -5
The whole taking on salary from a team in order to acquire prospects has been talked about ad nauseum for two offseasons now. It really doesn't happen often and probably isn't really an option. Not to mention Myers was a pretty solid player last year and I dont see the incentive for the Padres to attach a good prospect to get rid of him anymore. Agreed. This whole âWil Myers salary dumpâ scenario has been beaten to death for years now. The Padres are actually going for it and Myers had a .959OPS last year. Why would a contending team be looking to dump a guy like that? Exactly. That fantasy is gone now. Myers is productive. The Padres have a really good team that Myers can help. They've cleared out their catchers so that Campusano has a clear shot at the starting catching job. The Padres aren't going to salary dump him and staple prospects for him. They've chosen to deal their prospects to add Blake Snell and Yu Darvish instead. Hell, they even got one helluva rookie in Kim. Getting back to Kiké Hernandez. He's a mediocre player on what's shaping up to be a mediocre team. He's better than replacement level, or at least I think he is. The man has been in the 80s for OPS+ the past couple of years and is approaching 30. I doubt he sees the performance he had in 2018. The more he plays, the worse he'll be exposed that he cannot hit RHP. And they'll pay him $7 million for it. For the money they've paid 3 mediocrities in Hernandez and Andriese/Perez, I'd rather have seen them offer Kim about $10 million/year to see if they could have convinced him to forget about the Boston weather. That would have been a signing of substance. Instead this is more the type of signing where he's likely better than replacement level, the kind of move a team aiming to win 75 games rather than 70 games makes. The best thing that could happen here is that Hernandez babysits CF for a few months and then Duran proves ready for the majors. Then he can platoon with Duran. Hopefully by then Downs will be knocking on the door too (or maybe while Hernandez holds down CF Arroyo shows he can hold down 2b, although the bigger hope is that Downs is near ready, because if the plan is to give Hernandez 400 plus ABs, it's not going to work too well. If he's the short half of a platoon with Duran, he could be productive, but not $7 million productive.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 23, 2021 1:23:51 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else...
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Post by manfred on Jan 23, 2021 1:28:59 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... EHern!
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Post by cdj on Jan 23, 2021 7:53:31 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... A v important distinction that had me wide-eyed when I first saw his name Love the signing. Not only because he fits in 2 spots we desperately need help at, but also because I think he’ll be a positive force in the locker room ala Brock Holt He lives a lot of be desired against righties but he does seem to drive the ball when he makes contact. We know he’ll damage lefties so hopefully he has a nice couple years and minimizes the platoon splits. Get to the mid .200’s with a little pop against righties or something Edit: although I just looked at it and it seems like he’s actually hit righties better than lefties in 2 of the last 3 years. Last season was a small sample but still....interesting
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Post by Canseco on Jan 23, 2021 8:54:55 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... Yep. Any time I see this guy’s name in print, I shudder. It would be nice if he just went by his real name (Enrique).
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 23, 2021 9:15:00 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... So it's pronounced kee-KAY rather than KEE-kay, right?
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Post by jimoh on Jan 23, 2021 9:34:02 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... So it's pronounced kee-KAY rather than KEE-kay, right? No, definitely KEE-kay.
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Post by fenwaymabe on Jan 23, 2021 9:40:47 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about the signing. I would rather have spent that money on the bullpen or the starting staff. I do love positional versatility but there seems to be a lot or positional overlap. Not sure how this impacts Chavis (2B/1B/LF), Aroyo (2B/3B,etc), Yairo Munoz (Inf, OF), or Jonathan Araúz (2B,3B,SS). Perhaps it provides a decent CF option, but that assumes JBJ is gone. Outside of Araúz who is a switch hitter, all of these guys are right handed. I think La Stella would be a better fit as move of a pure 2B play because he bats left handed which leads me to believe he'll factor into the CF equation more than we think. With that being said, I have heard nothing but great things about his leadership and clubhouse influence so he's a great character guy, something from the Broch Holt mold. I see that he signed for 7 million aav - that's slightly less than the Angels paid Jose Quintana or the Twins gave J.A. Happ at 8 million per. We had a top 5 offense last year, but it was the pitching that sank us.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 23, 2021 9:51:32 GMT -5
So it's pronounced kee-KAY rather than KEE-kay, right? No, definitely KEE-kay. Just wondering about the acute accent. Most Spanish names and words place the stress on the penultimate syllable. The accent moves the stress to that syllable. Small point, I know. I hope he can fill two holes for the $7m price tag. Praying that Duran and Jeter can develop during the season to take those positions for the near future.
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Post by mg050369 on Jan 23, 2021 10:18:31 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about the signing. I would rather have spent that money on the bullpen or the starting staff. I do love positional versatility but there seems to be a lot or positional overlap. Not sure how this impacts Chavis (2B/1B/LF), Aroyo (2B/3B,etc), Yairo Munoz (Inf, OF), or Jonathan Araúz (2B,3B,SS). Perhaps it provides a decent CF option, but that assumes JBJ is gone. Outside of Araúz who is a switch hitter, all of these guys are right handed. I think La Stella would be a better fit as move of a pure 2B play because he bats left handed which leads me to believe he'll factor into the CF equation more than we think. With that being said, I have heard nothing but great things about his leadership and clubhouse influence so he's a great character guy, something from the Broch Holt mold. I see that he signed for 7 million aav - that's slightly less than the Angels paid Jose Quintana or the Twins gave J.A. Happ at 8 million per. We had a top 5 offense last year, but it was the pitching that sank us. Short answer, I think it depends on what the final puzzle looks like. My best guess on the ripple effect on certain players: Beni - if traded, it frees up Kiké to play more OF and leaves the door cracked for LaStella who provides the occasional LH 1b compliment to Dalbac rather than a Moreland type who either eats into Dalbacâs time or serves as a PH. JBJ - if signed, he joins Beni (assuming heâs not traded) and Verdugo. Renfroe platoons with Beni, Hernandez serves a super utility role while always getting a start against lefties. Arroyo - regular 2b starts against righties, spot starts at SS and 3b with Kiké at 2b (or vice versa). In the possible, but unlikely, scenario of a LaStella signing, he becomes their backup infielder. Arauz and Munoz - Arauz at Worcester unless X or Arroyo go on the IL. Munoz isnât added to the 40 man unless they are calling him and using him in a utility role. Chavis - at Worcester unless Dalbac goes on the IL or injuries allow him to get regular 2b starts. He replicates too many guys already on the roster. As Eric has pointed out, he needs regular ABâs to flourish.. Not the recipe for success as a 26th man.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 23, 2021 13:34:25 GMT -5
Just wondering about the acute accent. Most Spanish names and words place the stress on the penultimate syllable. The accent moves the stress to that syllable. Small point, I know. I hope he can fill two holes for the $7m price tag. Praying that Duran and Jeter can develop during the season to take those positions for the near future. It's not a real accent: "His nickname is Kiké (/ËkiËkeɪ/ KEE-kay),[2][3] sometimes spelled Kiké during English-language television broadcasts to prevent it from being confused with an anti-Semitic slur that has a different pronunciation" The accent just means "there are no silent vowels in Spanish, buddy; this name has two syllables." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hernández_(baseball)
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 23, 2021 13:50:59 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about the signing. I would rather have spent that money on the bullpen or the starting staff. I do love positional versatility but there seems to be a lot or positional overlap. Not sure how this impacts Chavis (2B/1B/ LF), Aroyo (2B/3B,etc), Yairo Munoz (Inf, OF), or Jonathan Araúz (2B,3B,SS). Perhaps it provides a decent CF option, but that assumes JBJ is gone. Outside of Araúz who is a switch hitter, all of these guys are right handed. I think La Stella would be a better fit as move of a pure 2B play because he bats left handed which leads me to believe he'll factor into the CF equation more than we think. With that being said, I have heard nothing but great things about his leadership and clubhouse influence so he's a great character guy, something from the Broch Holt mold. I see that he signed for 7 million aav - that's slightly less than the Angels paid Jose Quintana or the Twins gave J.A. Happ at 8 million per. We had a top 5 offense last year, but it was the pitching that sank us. Made me laugh....I think that experiment is over
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 23, 2021 14:33:31 GMT -5
Hope the guy proves valuable. Isn't really that much to get excited or upset about.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 23, 2021 14:52:34 GMT -5
Just wondering about the acute accent. Most Spanish names and words place the stress on the penultimate syllable. The accent moves the stress to that syllable. Small point, I know. I hope he can fill two holes for the $7m price tag. Praying that Duran and Jeter can develop during the season to take those positions for the near future. It's not a real accent: "His nickname is Kiké (/ËkiËkeɪ/ KEE-kay),[2][3] sometimes spelled Kiké during English-language television broadcasts to prevent it from being confused with an anti-Semitic slur that has a different pronunciation" The accent just means "there are no silent vowels in Spanish, buddy; this name has two syllables." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hernández_(baseball)Yes. Though I give it a week into the season before some jack hole on radio or a radio caller uses the other phrase when ranting about the team.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 23, 2021 17:37:16 GMT -5
It's not a real accent: "His nickname is Kiké (/ËkiËkeɪ/ KEE-kay),[2][3] sometimes spelled Kiké during English-language television broadcasts to prevent it from being confused with an anti-Semitic slur that has a different pronunciation" The accent just means "there are no silent vowels in Spanish, buddy; this name has two syllables." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hernández_(baseball)Yes. Though I give it a week into the season before some jack hole on radio or a radio caller uses the other phrase when ranting about the team. Baseball reference, for its player ID's, uses the first five letters of the last name, then the first two of the first name, then 01, 02 and so on, given out in order.
There is one exception: Kevin Youkilis is youklke01.
What's astounding there is that Youk's triple-great grandfather picked Youkilis out of a Greek phone book before moving back to Romania; both the move to Greece and the name change upon returning were to avoid anti-Semitism. What are the odds?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 23, 2021 22:32:03 GMT -5
KKH's OPBs since 2016: .283, .308, .336, .304, .270.
I really don't like this signing, particularly the two years. He adds little to the team and they'll be in the hole $7M in AAV when try to build a contender in 2022.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jan 23, 2021 22:39:48 GMT -5
Just wondering about the acute accent. Most Spanish names and words place the stress on the penultimate syllable. The accent moves the stress to that syllable. Small point, I know. I hope he can fill two holes for the $7m price tag. Praying that Duran and Jeter can develop during the season to take those positions for the near future. It's not a real accent: "His nickname is Kiké (/ËkiËkeɪ/ KEE-kay),[2][3] sometimes spelled Kiké during English-language television broadcasts to prevent it from being confused with an anti-Semitic slur that has a different pronunciation" The accent just means "there are no silent vowels in Spanish, buddy; this name has two syllables." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hernández_(baseball)Not meaning to turn this into a phonetics discussion, but I'm confused with why he used the "k" in the first place. That's not a traditional Spanish letter, it's only in their alphabet for bringing in words from other languages. I would have expected it to have been "Quique", or even "Kique" would have been better. Side note - anyone besides me not realize "ch" "ll" and "rr" were removed from the Spanish alphabet 10 years ago?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 23, 2021 23:07:59 GMT -5
Given his background with the Rays, it's easy to figure out what Bloom is doing here. Hernandez does a good job crushing lefthanded pitching with an OPS of .820 over his career. He will offer flexibility and value to Cora at multiple positions. What I can't fathom - so far - is what Hatfield brought up. How does that play with what they already have in Arroyo and Chavis? There's got to be a master plan, but they haven't sent it to me yet.
I'd also like to bring up - one more time - that this team already had a very good offense, one of the best in the majors last year. With Renfroe, Hernandez, the possible return of Bradley, and a full year of Dalbec (who probably puts at least a little fear into pitchers) I think they have a good chance to be even better. So argue if you will, but the numbers didn't lie last year. They are strong at multiple positions.
The questions revolve around pitching. The suspect parts of the rotation they started with last season wasted no time in excavating a very deep hole which the team never got close to climbing out of. This rotation now looks to have Rodriquez, Eovaldi, Richards, Perez, and Pivetta, with Houck looking to push his way in, and reinforcements in Mata and Seabold. To put that in perspective, Houck looked like the best pitcher on the team last year and he'll likely be waiting in the wings when this thing gets rolling. And that's before Sale makes his appearance.
When I look at those names, the idea that this is a lousy team destined to hit the skids seems like memory bias, the weight of last season crushing expectations. There are still questions, but I'm relegating them to the bullpen, at this point.
And I don't think Bloom is done.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 23, 2021 23:14:59 GMT -5
It's not a real accent: "His nickname is Kiké (/ËkiËkeɪ/ KEE-kay),[2][3] sometimes spelled Kiké during English-language television broadcasts to prevent it from being confused with an anti-Semitic slur that has a different pronunciation" The accent just means "there are no silent vowels in Spanish, buddy; this name has two syllables." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hernández_(baseball)Not meaning to turn this into a phonetics discussion, but I'm confused with why he used the "k" in the first place. That's not a traditional Spanish letter, it's only in their alphabet for bringing in words from other languages. I would have expected it to have been "Quique", or even "Kique" would have been better. Side note - anyone besides me not realize "ch" "ll" and "rr" were removed from the Spanish alphabet 10 years ago? I still use the double l for "plain" (llanura) or "flat" (llano). I hadn't realized it got excised.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jan 23, 2021 23:50:50 GMT -5
Those words are still "llanura" and "llano" but now they are 7 and 5 letter words with "l" and "l" as the first two letters, at least that's how I interpret it. Essentially there's no longer a dictionary section for "ll" words, they just get buried in the "l" section. Adding source - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_orthography#Alphabet_in_Spanish
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 24, 2021 4:13:24 GMT -5
KKH's OPBs since 2016: .283, .308, .336, .304, .270. I really don't like this signing, particularly the two years. He adds little to the team and they'll be in the hole $7M in AAV when try to build a contender in 2022. He had a over 10 percent walk rate from 2016-2018. Hopefully he can go back to that in 2021. He's not a big stolen base threat, but he's at least average in 4 or 5 positions he's expected to play. He's a solid signing.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 24, 2021 7:33:11 GMT -5
It's not a real accent: "His nickname is Kiké (/ËkiËkeɪ/ KEE-kay),[2][3] sometimes spelled Kiké during English-language television broadcasts to prevent it from being confused with an anti-Semitic slur that has a different pronunciation" The accent just means "there are no silent vowels in Spanish, buddy; this name has two syllables." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hernández_(baseball)Not meaning to turn this into a phonetics discussion, but I'm confused with why he used the "k" in the first place. That's not a traditional Spanish letter, it's only in their alphabet for bringing in words from other languages. I would have expected it to have been "Quique", or even "Kique" would have been better. Side note - anyone besides me not realize "ch" "ll" and "rr" were removed from the Spanish alphabet 10 years ago? My daughter has a friend whose nickname is Quique. The further nickname is QQ. There are loanwords in Spanish that have k's in them (as in Latin, where the k always comes from somewhere else). The spelling Kiké probably is meant to try to avoid English speakers saying kweekway or kweek. But it brings new problems. Baseball content: I think we have improved our pitching by improving our defense.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 24, 2021 16:06:28 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... There’s also supposed to be an accent in Hernández.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 24, 2021 17:51:25 GMT -5
Guys. Just be aware it’s KIKÉ. Please don’t forget the é. Because his first name without the accented e means something else... There’s also supposed to be an accent in Hernández. No need for it since Spanish names and words are pronounced with the stress on the next to last syllable. An accent tells you the stress in going to a different syllable. This is a media thing so non Spanish speakers can better know how to pronounce it. Same thing with Ramirez. Media puts an accent on the “I” but it’s not necessary to those who are familiar with Spanish. Same thing with Gonzalez, etc.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jan 24, 2021 17:54:38 GMT -5
There’s also supposed to be an accent in Hernández. No need for it since Spanish names and words are pronounced with the stress on the next to last syllable. An accent tells you the stress in going to a different syllable. This is a media thing so non Spanish speakers can better know how to pronounce it. Same thing with Ramirez. Media puts an accent on the “I” but it’s not necessary to those who are familiar with Spanish. Same thing with Gonzalez, etc. That's not the rule. Generally speaking, when it's a vowel or n or s it's the second to last, when it's a consonant it's the last. Otherwise it needs an accent. Ramírez, González, Rodríguez, Hernández should all have the accents. Source - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_in_Spanish#Word_stress_categories
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