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Benintendi traded to KC in 3-way deal w/ NYM
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Feb 11, 2021 12:26:50 GMT -5
Trust in the process, this team went all in to win a WS in 2018 and now we're retooling. I have nothing wrong with the move. I expect the PTBNL's will be upside prospects for sure. I wasn't a fan of the deal when original details came out as Cordero hasn't been much but a platoon / bench bat. But, I like the direction the organization is going in.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 12:29:20 GMT -5
Some people are speaking scornfully of the idea of getting PTBNL that would rank 11-20 for us. One interesting thing to do would be to look at this site’s rankings history page. Look at Devers at 18, Vasquez at 17, JBJ at 19, Margot at 19, Shaw at 18, Kopech at 14, Darwinzon at 15, Mata at 16, Duran at 15, Ward at 19, Jimenez at 16. Sure, dozens and dozens of stiffs and busts, but getting three more guys who might start at #16 and wind up in the top ten is a smart gamble. I agree, but you are also projecting the rosiest picture. Could happen! But it is a little unfair to say “don’t you think getting another Devers would he great?” Obviously if they got a Devers or two, I’d be a lot happier. The question is really how much faith we have in that outcome. (And even on that list, a guy like Kopech argues both ways). I go back to the Pomeranz trade. I love(d) it. He was a solid pitcher and Espinosa was one of our top prospects. There was every reason to hate it. But where is AE now? And though Pom is gone, he was still pretty awesome last year (maybe we misused him). And this is snark free because I TOTALLY get the strategy of building up low level, young guys... and agree that, well, it is a must — but I prefer mostly to do that with international signings etc. I am just way too conservative to trade knowns for guys who could be 6-7 years away... meaning they need to get through the minefield of development and injury to pay any dividends. Truthfully, I prefer being on the other end. Let the Marlins develop players, then trade prospects for their stars when they get priced out.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 11, 2021 12:39:28 GMT -5
I like the way Bloom is building up the number of people he can use in future trades. He is slowly but surely doing that with the Betts, Moreland, Pillar, Workman/Hembree, Ottavino, and now this trade. A theme I’m seeing is you eat a portion of contracts here and there to increase the prospect wealth coming back. I expect to see more of it this year, meanwhile I still think we have a chance to compete. It will be interesting to see if there is any drop off this year from Benintendi to a Cordero/Renfroe platoon or if we are now better off. I'm presuming you mean from Benintendi's career numbers. It would be just about impossible to drop off from his numbers last season unless Cordero & Renfroe come pre-boxed in coffins.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 11, 2021 12:51:11 GMT -5
Some people are speaking scornfully of the idea of getting PTBNL that would rank 11-20 for us. One interesting thing to do would be to look at this site’s rankings history page. Look at Devers at 18, Vasquez at 17, JBJ at 19, Margot at 19, Shaw at 18, Kopech at 14, Darwinzon at 15, Mata at 16, Duran at 15, Ward at 19, Jimenez at 16. Sure, dozens and dozens of stiffs and busts, but getting three more guys who might start at #16 and wind up in the top ten is a smart gamble. I agree, but you are also projecting the rosiest picture. Could happen! But it is a little unfair to say “don’t you think getting another Devers would he great?” Obviously if they got a Devers or two, I’d be a lot happier. The question is really how much faith we have in that outcome. (And even on that list, a guy like Kopech argues both ways). I go back to the Pomeranz trade. I love(d) it. He was a solid pitcher and Espinosa was one of our top prospects. There was every reason to hate it. But where is AE now? And though Pom is gone, he was still pretty awesome last year (maybe we misused him). And this is snark free because I TOTALLY get the strategy of building up low level, young guys... and agree that, well, it is a must — but I prefer mostly to do that with international signings etc. I am just way too conservative to trade knowns for guys who could be 6-7 years away... meaning they need to get through the minefield of development and injury to pay any dividends. Truthfully, I prefer being on the other end. Let the Marlins develop players, then trade prospects for their stars when they get priced out. You are very consistent in supporting the Dombrowski-style approach and then complaining incessantly about the negative consequences of the Dombrowski-style approach.
As for the point about building the 11-20 range of the system, I don't think the "rosiest picture" is to say, as jimoh did, that most don't work out but some do. The thing is, just since August Bloom has added Seabold, Rosario, Potts, Wallace (well, he's #23), plus Pivetta, and now, presumably, 3 more PTBNLs to that list. The odds of any one of them being a star are low, but the odds of hitting on one or two out of 6 or 7 guys start to look pretty good. And all that for basically scraps.*
*They're scraps, at least, barring a Benintendi bounce back, which is possible and, as I said above, would make this trade look pretty bad.
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Post by jbsox on Feb 11, 2021 12:51:45 GMT -5
He is slowly but surely doing that with the Betts, Moreland, Pillar, Workman/Hembree, Ottavino, and now this trade. A theme I’m seeing is you eat a portion of contracts here and there to increase the prospect wealth coming back. I expect to see more of it this year, meanwhile I still think we have a chance to compete. It will be interesting to see if there is any drop off this year from Benintendi to a Cordero/Renfroe platoon or if we are now better off. I'm presuming you mean from Benintendi's career numbers. It would be just about impossible to drop off from his numbers last season unless Cordero & Renfroe come pre-boxed in coffins. I could have worded it better. I meant from what Benintendi produces this upcoming season verses what the platoon of Cordero/Renfroe will produce. It seems like some people are expecting we’ll be worse off as Cordero hasn’t done much at all in the majors up until this point despite his upside, and Benintendi could have a somewhat bounce back season from recent reports changing his offseason workout program. so I was just pointing out it will be an interesting development to watch and compare for this season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 11, 2021 12:52:06 GMT -5
Who says the three guys are going to be top 20 for us? Just a guess, yet given the wanting to scout guys comments. I'm going to assume they are young guys they liked in the draft or international market recently. If they were older they would already have a bunch of information. Young unproven guys that would rank that high would be big upside guys. The exact type of players team normally don't trade and they certainly don't trade a bunch of them. Like damn if it's three young top 20 guys yeah that changes everything. I'm not expecting that though. Maybe one of them is or they aren't young guys at all. I don't know this is kinda a crazy trade.
I will say this trade is going to tell you a lot about Bloom. I give the guy points for being creative. I just can't tell if this him making a darn good move or him maybe being way too creative. It's going to be likely 6 months till we even know the parts and if they are young guys it could be years before we can truly judge the deal.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 11, 2021 13:09:18 GMT -5
Who says the three guys are going to be top 20 for us? Just a guess, yet given the wanting to scout guys comments. I'm going to assume they are young guys they liked in the draft or international market recently. If they were older they would already have a bunch of information. Young unproven guys that would rank that high would be big upside guys. The exact type of players team normally don't trade and they certainly don't trade a bunch of them. Like damn if it's three young top 20 guys yeah that changes everything. I'm not expecting that though. Maybe one of them is or they aren't young guys at all. I don't know this is kinda a crazy trade. I will say this trade is going to tell you a lot about Bloom. I give the guy points for being creative. I just can't tell if this him making a darn good move or him maybe being way too creative. It's going to be likely 6 months till we even know the parts and if they are young guys it could be years before we can truly judge the deal. If they aren't then the Sox messed up not getting Lee back.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 13:23:43 GMT -5
I agree, but you are also projecting the rosiest picture. Could happen! But it is a little unfair to say “don’t you think getting another Devers would he great?” Obviously if they got a Devers or two, I’d be a lot happier. The question is really how much faith we have in that outcome. (And even on that list, a guy like Kopech argues both ways). I go back to the Pomeranz trade. I love(d) it. He was a solid pitcher and Espinosa was one of our top prospects. There was every reason to hate it. But where is AE now? And though Pom is gone, he was still pretty awesome last year (maybe we misused him). And this is snark free because I TOTALLY get the strategy of building up low level, young guys... and agree that, well, it is a must — but I prefer mostly to do that with international signings etc. I am just way too conservative to trade knowns for guys who could be 6-7 years away... meaning they need to get through the minefield of development and injury to pay any dividends. Truthfully, I prefer being on the other end. Let the Marlins develop players, then trade prospects for their stars when they get priced out. You are very consistent in supporting the Dombrowski-style approach and then complaining incessantly about the negative consequences of the Dombrowski-style approach.
As for the point about building the 11-20 range of the system, I don't think the "rosiest picture" is to say, as jimoh did, that most don't work out but some do. The thing is, just since August Bloom has added Seabold, Rosario, Potts, Wallace (well, he's #23), plus Pivetta, and now, presumably, 3 more PTBNLs to that list. The odds of any one of them being a star are low, but the odds of hitting on one or two out of 6 or 7 guys start to look pretty good. And all that for basically scraps.*
*They're scraps, at least, barring a Benintendi bounce back, which is possible and, as I said above, would make this trade look pretty bad.
I won’t go over it again in detail but I am not a supporter of a “Dombrowski style” per se... I mean, the Pedro trade, the Beckett trade... those were great and pre-Donbrowski. So he did with sale what the Sox have done before... and in each case, it brought a ring. I am hardly uncritical of DD, and my complaints, whatever they may be, actually very much go back to DD. I did not love the Price signing, though I came to accept it. $200 million+ for an over 30 pitcher is more than I like. But the move I *hated* was the Eovaldi signing. That was a ridiculous kneejerk reaction in the after glow of a title. That $17 million made a big difference in the dominoes. As for complaining about the results of the DD years all I’ll say is that if the idea is one has no right to complain, the implication is there was only ever one path forward out of the financials. I don’t agree with that. So, even if paring salary was an absolute must, how it was done was always a series of choices. It is entirely valid to accept salary must be shed but also say I’d do it differently. And in the end, when you call guys like Workman and Beni scraps, aren’t we saying much the sane thing? You want to give little and get a lot. Well, AE turns out to be a scrap. Kopech still needs to do something. Margot is maybe just north of scrap. etcetcetc. I just feel far warier of taking on guys who need to be “fixed” at 26, because I don’t assume that the Sox know so much more than the Royals (as an example). Every once in a while, they do. But it is a massive risk.
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Post by tookme55 on Feb 11, 2021 13:27:28 GMT -5
Spending like a small market team?
Let's get to 40,000 ft. We have $53M in non productive payroll as we begin the season, that's 25% of our payroll (Pedey, Price and Sale).
It's unfair to put that on Bloom. He's doing a good job. We're rebuilding. He's trying to build a sustainable playoff contender.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 11, 2021 13:54:39 GMT -5
I will say with respect to the “Alex says none of the PTBNLs will be in our top 10” narrative...our top 10 is not that awful and a look at the KC and Mets top 30 show a bunch of young high ceiling pitchers in the late teens and 20s who were exciting a year and a half ago but kinda of a mystery where they are now (was working on third pitch at end of 2019, velocity was creeping up, and so on). A group of guys you probably feel more comfortable trading for.... you know ....later..like 3 to 5 months from now. Bouncing off of this, our 11-20 guys are nothing to sneeze at. If we get three guys the likes of Nick Yorke, Brainer Bonaci, or Blaze Jordan, I’d be thrilled with that. A prospect not being in the top 10 today doesn’t mean the same thing as not being in our top ten six months ago.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 11, 2021 13:55:13 GMT -5
i have to say....it is amazing how much rope is given to a GM who hasn't won a damn thing. He wasn't even GM of Tampa. People who are hesitant to coronate his genius aren't whiners or doubters. This is a new approach to team building not see around here.
People who calls others out as whining are essentially projecting.
Bloom himself has admitted these moves are not easy on the fan base. Some of being a fan is identifying with players that they like. It isn't a great day when people you root for get traded. Where are your souls ? Is it really that transactional ?
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Post by fenwaydouble on Feb 11, 2021 14:04:03 GMT -5
i have to say....it is amazing how much rope is given to a GM who hasn't won a damn thing. He wasn't even GM of Tampa. People who are hesitant to coronate his genius aren't whiners or doubters. This is a new approach to team building not see around here. People who calls others out as whining are essentially projecting. Bloom himself has admitted these moves are not easy on the fan base. Some of being a fan is identifying with players that they like. It isn't a great day when people you root for get traded. Where are your souls ? Is it really that transactional ? No, there's definitely lots of whiners on this board.
It's more than fair to be sad or angry about Benintendi and Betts. Nobody is happy that so much of the 2018 team is gone. It's fine to vent about that a bit. But when certain posters do nothing but complain about the same things literally hundreds of times for months and months, it comes across as childish. It makes the forum a chore to visit, which sucks because it's the only Red Sox community many of us have during the offseason.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 11, 2021 14:14:22 GMT -5
Who says the three guys are going to be top 20 for us? Just a guess, yet given the wanting to scout guys comments. I'm going to assume they are young guys they liked in the draft or international market recently. If they were older they would already have a bunch of information. Young unproven guys that would rank that high would be big upside guys. The exact type of players team normally don't trade and they certainly don't trade a bunch of them. Like damn if it's three young top 20 guys yeah that changes everything. I'm not expecting that though. Maybe one of them is or they aren't young guys at all. I don't know this is kinda a crazy trade. I will say this trade is going to tell you a lot about Bloom. I give the guy points for being creative. I just can't tell if this him making a darn good move or him maybe being way too creative. It's going to be likely 6 months till we even know the parts and if they are young guys it could be years before we can truly judge the deal. Well, all we know is that whatever the combined value of Winckowski and the Mets' PTBNL is, it's >Khalil Lee in Bloom's eyes and <Khalil Lee in the Mets' eyes. So it stands to reason that the value will be roughly comparable to Khalil Lee. I think that likely means a 10-20 prospect in addition to Winckowski, and probably closer to 10 than 20.
And then there are the Royals' PTBNLs on top of that. I might expect both those guys to be 20ish but who knows.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 11, 2021 14:15:54 GMT -5
Spending like a small market team? Let's get to 40,000 ft. We have $53M in non productive payroll as we begin the season, that's 25% of our payroll (Pedey, Price and Sale). It's unfair to put that on Bloom. He's doing a good job. We're rebuilding. He's trying to build a sustainable playoff contender. I wouldn't call Sale non productive payroll unless you don't expect him to pitch this year. Bloom did trade Price and created that dead money, so that's on him. Yet overall it's not Bloom, but the owners. 2010 Yankees 206 million opening day payroll, Red Sox at 162, Padres at 38 million. Since then our revenues have almost doubled, yet look at the payroll. Now you have the Padres with an almost 175 million payroll. A decade ago the top teams were out spending the bottom ones by over 500%, that is basically gone. As fans we should all have issues with spending staying relatively flat when revenues double. Heck even the A's have been able to double there payroll in that time period. Ticket prices, cost to park, food, etc certainly haven't stayed flat. Just owners lining their pockets with more and more money. 2010 payroll was 61% of revenue, this year if things get back to normal it's going to be around 35%. So yeah spending 35% of revenue on players is spending like small market teams in my book. It's not as bad as the Rays in 2019 spending on 19%, yet it's also a massive shift. Heck the Rays are darn close to actually being able to spend close to 200 million on payroll if they wanted too.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 11, 2021 14:18:35 GMT -5
i have to say....it is amazing how much rope is given to a GM who hasn't won a damn thing. He wasn't even GM of Tampa. People who are hesitant to coronate his genius aren't whiners or doubters. This is a new approach to team building not see around here. People who calls others out as whining are essentially projecting. Bloom himself has admitted these moves are not easy on the fan base. Some of being a fan is identifying with players that they like. It isn't a great day when people you root for get traded. Where are your souls ? Is it really that transactional ? I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sorry to see Benny go. I really liked him. That said, I think I have a grasp on what Bloom is trying to do, and I think he's on the right track. So while I'm not exactly thrilled to see organization move on, I understand why it was done, and I'm happy that they're continuing their efforts to build a robust farm system.
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Post by cdj on Feb 11, 2021 14:19:00 GMT -5
i have to say....it is amazing how much rope is given to a GM who hasn't won a damn thing. He wasn't even GM of Tampa. People who are hesitant to coronate his genius aren't whiners or doubters. This is a new approach to team building not see around here. People who calls others out as whining are essentially projecting. Bloom himself has admitted these moves are not easy on the fan base. Some of being a fan is identifying with players that they like. It isn't a great day when people you root for get traded. Where are your souls ? Is it really that transactional ? Are they whiners when they complain about the return on a deal that’s missing 3 full pieces? yes. Absolutely. Without question. It’s irrational. It’s dumb. That’s what people are calling out Now if you want to wax poetic about how being a fan IS being irrational by definition then by all means. I don’t subscribe to that theory Be sad about losing a member of the most recent title team all you want- that’s totally fair. I’m going to miss Benny. It doesn’t mean people have to shit on the deal when they literally don’t know more than half of the return
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 11, 2021 14:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 11, 2021 14:25:47 GMT -5
Glad he’s got the hamate out of the way Lot of elbow and forearm strains...fortunately it seems like this year was mostly the hamate causing issues. Hopefully he leaves the elbow/forearm problems in the past and we don’t get a rare positional player TJ He generates a lot of power with just a wrist flick, I don’t wanna see that stop
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 14:26:39 GMT -5
i have to say....it is amazing how much rope is given to a GM who hasn't won a damn thing. He wasn't even GM of Tampa. People who are hesitant to coronate his genius aren't whiners or doubters. This is a new approach to team building not see around here. People who calls others out as whining are essentially projecting. Bloom himself has admitted these moves are not easy on the fan base. Some of being a fan is identifying with players that they like. It isn't a great day when people you root for get traded. Where are your souls ? Is it really that transactional ? Are they whiners when they complain about the return on a deal that’s missing 3 full pieces? yes. Absolutely. Without question. It’s irrational. It’s dumb. That’s what people are calling out Now if you want to wax poetic about how being a fan IS being irrational by definition then by all means. I don’t subscribe to that theory Fine. Sad, I guess... I mean, I think of baseball as Ruth pointing, a kid saying “say it ain’t so,” Fisk willing a ball fair... art and passion. It is me waiting outside lockerrooms for autographs as a small child and crying if I missed the star — not calculated arcane platoon stats. But fine. I think it is go time. I expect the Sox will now sign JBJ because they really only have two OF slots covered. Otherwise, this appears to be the horse we ride. For the rest of the off season I’ll focus only on the positive. And if this team pulls a rabbit out of the hat, I’m sure I’ll catch the fever. But — in turn — what would be enough to get the Pollyannas to look back and say “that didn’t go so well”? What would it take not to see the grand plan as playing out underneath our noses? Don’t want an answer. Strictly rhetorical — but worth considering.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 11, 2021 14:28:15 GMT -5
That link is listing him as a CFer ?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 11, 2021 14:41:56 GMT -5
Who says the three guys are going to be top 20 for us? Just a guess, yet given the wanting to scout guys comments. I'm going to assume they are young guys they liked in the draft or international market recently. If they were older they would already have a bunch of information. Young unproven guys that would rank that high would be big upside guys. The exact type of players team normally don't trade and they certainly don't trade a bunch of them. Like damn if it's three young top 20 guys yeah that changes everything. I'm not expecting that though. Maybe one of them is or they aren't young guys at all. I don't know this is kinda a crazy trade. I will say this trade is going to tell you a lot about Bloom. I give the guy points for being creative. I just can't tell if this him making a darn good move or him maybe being way too creative. It's going to be likely 6 months till we even know the parts and if they are young guys it could be years before we can truly judge the deal. Well, all we know is that whatever the combined value of Winckowski and the Mets' PTBNL is, it's >Khalil Lee in Bloom's eyes and <Khalil Lee in the Mets' eyes. So it stands to reason that the value will be roughly comparable to Khalil Lee. I think that likely means a 10-20 prospect in addition to Winckowski, and probably closer to 10 than 20.
And then there are the Royals' PTBNLs on top of that. I might expect both those guys to be 20ish but who knows.
What's the value of Winckowski and Cordero in Blooms eyes? Without knowing that, it's hard to say the prospects equal this...... Are they just throw in type guys or does he really value them? Would we be upset with Lopez, Bleis and Perales? Those guys are ranked 35, 39 and 40th in our system. Yet all three are crazy young with big upsides. Very risky type players, yet that's what I'm hoping for.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 11, 2021 14:43:01 GMT -5
Are they whiners when they complain about the return on a deal that’s missing 3 full pieces? yes. Absolutely. Without question. It’s irrational. It’s dumb. That’s what people are calling out Now if you want to wax poetic about how being a fan IS being irrational by definition then by all means. I don’t subscribe to that theory Be sad about losing a member of the most recent title team all you want- that’s totally fair. I’m going to miss Benny. It doesn’t mean people have to shit on the deal when they literally don’t know more than half of the return you have your posting style...others have theirs. I am sorry...there is enough irrationality to go around, even from some that are giving Bloom all this rope. There has been almost no acknowledgement / thanks of his efforts of this thread. That is what i am talking about. Tangential...what do you think are the chances of one of the guys in this trade doing something like this.......
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Post by jimoh on Feb 11, 2021 14:49:56 GMT -5
Some people are speaking scornfully of the idea of getting PTBNL that would rank 11-20 for us. One interesting thing to do would be to look at this site’s rankings history page. Look at Devers at 18, Vasquez at 17, JBJ at 19, Margot at 19, Shaw at 18, Kopech at 14, Darwinzon at 15, Mata at 16, Duran at 15, Ward at 19, Jimenez at 16. Sure, dozens and dozens of stiffs and busts, but getting three more guys who might start at #16 and wind up in the top ten is a smart gamble. I agree, but you are also projecting the rosiest picture. Could happen! But it is a little unfair to say “don’t you think getting another Devers would he great?” Obviously if they got a Devers or two, I’d be a lot happier. The question is really how much faith we have in that outcome. (And even on that list, a guy like Kopech argues both ways). I go back to the Pomeranz trade. I love(d) it. He was a solid pitcher and Espinosa was one of our top prospects. There was every reason to hate it. But where is AE now? And though Pom is gone, he was still pretty awesome last year (maybe we misused him). And this is snark free because I TOTALLY get the strategy of building up low level, young guys... and agree that, well, it is a must — but I prefer mostly to do that with international signings etc. I am just way too conservative to trade knowns for guys who could be 6-7 years away... meaning they need to get through the minefield of development and injury to pay any dividends. Truthfully, I prefer being on the other end. Let the Marlins develop players, then trade prospects for their stars when they get priced out. I don't think they are getting another Devers. They are getting three chances at a Devers or Vasquez or Shaw. Speier says: "The three players to be named are unlikely to rank among the top 10 Red Sox prospects or in the top 100 in the industry, according to a major league source, but are expected to be potential big leaguers who add depth to the farm system in need of replenishment." We know that with the Mets involvement, the Red Sox could have gotten OF Khalil Lee directly from the Royals, who is a #7, #8 prospect type. They preferred to get a pitcher and a PTBNL from the Mets. That suggests that Wink. + the Mets PTBNL > Lee (a #7, #8 prospect), right? Lots to think on both sides here.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 11, 2021 14:50:22 GMT -5
Are they whiners when they complain about the return on a deal that’s missing 3 full pieces? yes. Absolutely. Without question. It’s irrational. It’s dumb. That’s what people are calling out Now if you want to wax poetic about how being a fan IS being irrational by definition then by all means. I don’t subscribe to that theory Be sad about losing a member of the most recent title team all you want- that’s totally fair. I’m going to miss Benny. It doesn’t mean people have to shit on the deal when they literally don’t know more than half of the return you have your posting style...others have theirs. I am sorry...there is enough irrationality to go around, even from some that are giving Bloom all this rope. There has been almost no acknowledgement / thanks of his efforts of this thread. That is what i am talking about. Tangential...what do you think are the chances of one of the guys in this trade doing something like this....... He hasn’t been that player it two years. Which is why they moved him.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 14:59:10 GMT -5
I agree, but you are also projecting the rosiest picture. Could happen! But it is a little unfair to say “don’t you think getting another Devers would he great?” Obviously if they got a Devers or two, I’d be a lot happier. The question is really how much faith we have in that outcome. (And even on that list, a guy like Kopech argues both ways). I go back to the Pomeranz trade. I love(d) it. He was a solid pitcher and Espinosa was one of our top prospects. There was every reason to hate it. But where is AE now? And though Pom is gone, he was still pretty awesome last year (maybe we misused him). And this is snark free because I TOTALLY get the strategy of building up low level, young guys... and agree that, well, it is a must — but I prefer mostly to do that with international signings etc. I am just way too conservative to trade knowns for guys who could be 6-7 years away... meaning they need to get through the minefield of development and injury to pay any dividends. Truthfully, I prefer being on the other end. Let the Marlins develop players, then trade prospects for their stars when they get priced out. I don't think they are getting another Devers. They are getting three chances at a Devers or Vasquez or Shaw. Speier says: "The three players to be named are unlikely to rank among the top 10 Red Sox prospects or in the top 100 in the industry, according to a major league source, but are expected to be potential big leaguers who add depth to the farm system in need of replenishment." We know that with the Mets involvement, the Red Sox could have gotten OF Khalil Lee directly from the Royals, who is a #7, #8 prospect type. They preferred to get a pitcher and a PTBNL from the Mets. That suggests that Wink. + the Mets PTBNL > Lee (a #7, #8 prospect), right? Lots to think on both sides here. Maybe. But it might also just be *different.* Lee is far higher rated than Cordero, but I can see preferring the latter for the Sox. Lee looks like a speedster, which might reproduce Duran too closely. But if 2/3 of the outfield is Duran and Verdugo, having a power hitter makes more sense. So I am not sure it has to be reduced to better/worse so much as what you need/not what you need.
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