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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 21:28:52 GMT -5
Fangraphs had him listed under depth arms when they profiled the Jays farm system earlier this year:
"Winckowski has a chance to pop in 2021 because he was pitching hurt in 2019 and still got guys out. He looked rusty during instructs but was also up to 97 and added a new splitter to an already decent slider."
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 21:28:52 GMT -5
The throw in for Matz? Lovely.
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 21:29:26 GMT -5
2018: Benny, (23), JBJ (28), and Mookie (25).
February 2021.... all gone.
Yeah, maybe this means JBJ will be back. Still. This just sucks. You can say it is for the “future,” but those guys *were* the future.
Has any team ever won a WS with a young OF like that and let them go so quickly?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 10, 2021 21:29:39 GMT -5
Absolutely hate this. Sold low, and for what?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 10, 2021 21:29:47 GMT -5
It’s shocking how few players remain from the 2018 team. I’m not advocating against this trade (mostly because we don’t know all the details yet) but this very high turnover makes it harder for casual fans to follow a team.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 21:30:14 GMT -5
Absolutely hate this. Sold low, and for what? Lottery tickets!
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 10, 2021 21:30:58 GMT -5
There still better be a lot more to this....
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 10, 2021 21:31:26 GMT -5
Don't like this deal at all.
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 21:31:54 GMT -5
I defy people to say these two guys are great gets.
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Post by levi on Feb 10, 2021 21:32:31 GMT -5
Please tell me they didn't just trade Benintendi + $ (potentially $8M+ in value) for only Cordero and Winchowski ($3M in value). Hopefully, there is more...
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Post by foreverred9 on Feb 10, 2021 21:33:28 GMT -5
One last time:
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 21:33:55 GMT -5
Super small sample last year but Cordero slashed his K rate big time
When he makes contact he impacts the ball....he’s just gotta make contact. Hopefully they end up bringing back JBJ.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 10, 2021 21:34:43 GMT -5
I mean I'm going to wait for the full details before getting mad about the return, but yeah...hopefully that ain't it.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 21:35:05 GMT -5
ok this could make me feel a little better
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 21:35:12 GMT -5
How the hell do the Mets give up nothing and get the best prospect in the deal?
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 21:36:01 GMT -5
ok this could make me feel a little better let’s Breathe a bit as the bruins enter OT
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 10, 2021 21:36:47 GMT -5
Please tell me they didn't just trade Benintendi + $ (potentially $8M+ in value) for only Cordero and Winchowski ($3M in value). Hopefully, there is more... Its even better if you believe Alex’s tweet where he indicates money is going to the Royals (presumably from the Sox). Something else has to be going on.
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 21:38:45 GMT -5
ok this could make me feel a little better let’s Breathe a bit as the bruins enter OT The “other stuff” better be legit “stuff” cause right now this is stuffless. Cordero is 2 months younger than Beni and, well, he kinda sucks.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 10, 2021 21:39:16 GMT -5
Ignoring the return for Benintendi (since we don't know it yet), and supposing this lets them sign JBJ... has this move made the major league team better?
A Verdugo, JBJ, Renfroe/Cordero/Kiké outfield, with Duran knocking on the door... I don't think it's any *worse* at least.
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Post by pasadenasox on Feb 10, 2021 21:40:22 GMT -5
Chaim Bloom is a certainly a more qualified GM than I am and by all accounts (including an excellent SoxProspects.com podcast) a smart guy with a plan, but it's still a bummer.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 21:41:17 GMT -5
Ignoring the return for Benintendi (since we don't know it yet), and supposing this lets them sign JBJ... has this move made the major league team better? A Verdugo, JBJ, Renfroe/Cordero/Kiké outfield, with Duran knocking on the door... I don't think it's any *worse* at least. Cfer is more needed on this roster than a LFer, so the JBJ for Benny swap does make sense if that's what they're going for.
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 21:41:46 GMT -5
Ignoring the return for Benintendi (since we don't know it yet), and supposing this lets them sign JBJ... has this move made the major league team better? A Verdugo, JBJ, Renfroe/Cordero/Kiké outfield, with Duran knocking on the door... I don't think it's any *worse* at least. !!! Is it worse than it was 2 years ago? Is it forward thinking? It’s a hosge-podge. Basically, the next great Sox team needs another OF overhaul. Great.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 21:44:02 GMT -5
let’s Breathe a bit as the bruins enter OT The “other stuff” better be legit “stuff” cause right now this is stuffless. Cordero is 2 months younger than Beni and, well, he kinda sucks. Benintendi hasn’t exactly looked great since the last month or two from two seasons ago and he’s got declining tools (unless he has physically turned around) If they move him and bring back JBJ I’m gonna be pretty content, ngl
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 10, 2021 21:44:50 GMT -5
I defy people to say these two guys are great gets. I smell having to tolerate another deluge of "now we can afford JBJ" posts about to erupt on the site.. And yeah.. What a pile on the return. Hopefully it was only about clearing more space, but for a Moreland, cheaper real backup OF etc.. Not a wasted expensive get.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 10, 2021 21:45:00 GMT -5
Ignoring the return for Benintendi (since we don't know it yet), and supposing this lets them sign JBJ... has this move made the major league team better? A Verdugo, JBJ, Renfroe/Cordero/Kiké outfield, with Duran knocking on the door... I don't think it's any *worse* at least. !!! Is it worse than it was 2 years ago? Is it forward thinking? It’s a hosge-podge. Basically, the next great Sox team needs another OF overhaul. Great. Obviously it's worse than it was two years ago. We get it your not over the mookie deal.
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