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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:05:29 GMT -5
Lol again, the return hasn’t been announced and you’re criticizing it Stop being absurd guys. Also it makes sense if they don’t think he can bounce back. Which they probably have the most inside info on.... Dude. The money is the only reason this trade was done. Dude. Just because you say that doesn’t make it true!
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 10, 2021 22:05:36 GMT -5
I mean I'll wait for the full deal to be announced, but the early indicators are not great.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 10, 2021 22:06:23 GMT -5
I feel validated with my post now In 38 ABs he cut his Ks. And he slashed .211/.286/.447. In the previous year, 15 ABs, 7 ks. Dude will be 27 this year. Isn’t like he has a ton if time not to suck anymore. LOL. I am sick of people using last year and its inherently skewed parameters and short season to justify guys “turning the corner” or “playing to their potential.” I will say straight-up this trade is a stinker until Cordero /Bloom proves me wrong over at least 150 games. Congratulations Mr. Bloom, you’ve built the second most expensive team in baseball. This same team is also unlikely to make the playoffs or even finish higher than 4th in their own division. John Henry, if you want to save some money I am available to be your GM at half the price you’re paying this guy now with the same level of mediocre performance. So far, Bloom appears to be the Bobby Valentine of GMs so far. But who knows - he may eventually turn the corner and play up to his potential.
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Post by nomar on Feb 10, 2021 22:10:38 GMT -5
I’ll wait to see the full trade but Cordero and Renfroe make a solid platoon IMO. Looking at Cordero’s K% last season is just like daydreaming once you bought a lottery ticket. But I guess you can consider it icing on the cake.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:11:07 GMT -5
Ah yes, he’s now Bobby Valentine before the return comes in
Lol what a clown show this place is after a move
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 22:11:57 GMT -5
Dude. The money is the only reason this trade was done. Dude. Just because you say that doesn’t make it true! C’mon, the Sox gave been trying to get Cordero since was 22... which was almost 5 years ago. It’s the long game! 11 dimensional chess!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 10, 2021 22:12:24 GMT -5
In 38 ABs he cut his Ks. And he slashed .211/.286/.447. In the previous year, 15 ABs, 7 ks. Dude will be 27 this year. Isn’t like he has a ton if time not to suck anymore. LOL. I am sick of people using last year and its inherently skewed parameters and short season to justify guys “turning the corner” or “playing to their potential.” I will say straight-up this trade is a stinker until Cordero /Bloom proves me wrong over at least 150 games. Congratulations Mr. Bloom, you’ve built the second most expensive team in baseball. This same team is also unlikely to make the playoffs or even finish higher than 4th in their own division. John Henry, if you want to save some money I am available to be your GM at half the price you’re paying this guy now with the same level of mediocre performance. So far, Bloom appears to be the Bobby Valentine of GMs so far. But who knows - he may eventually turn the corner and play up to his potential. Wait what
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Post by Guidas on Feb 10, 2021 22:13:43 GMT -5
Ah yes, he’s now Bobby Valentine before the return comes in Lol what a clown show this place is after a move Body of work from the draft to today (I’m assuming the Mookie trade was foisted on him by ownership). Dude’s shown us nothing to merit being more than a replacement level GM right now. If that.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 10, 2021 22:14:55 GMT -5
LOL. I am sick of people using last year and its inherently skewed parameters and short season to justify guys “turning the corner” or “playing to their potential.” I will say straight-up this trade is a stinker until Cordero /Bloom proves me wrong over at least 150 games. Congratulations Mr. Bloom, you’ve built the second most expensive team in baseball. This same team is also unlikely to make the playoffs or even finish higher than 4th in their own division. John Henry, if you want to save some money I am available to be your GM at half the price you’re paying this guy now with the same level of mediocre performance. So far, Bloom appears to be the Bobby Valentine of GMs so far. But who knows - he may eventually turn the corner and play up to his potential. Wait what theathletic.com/2368552/2021/02/05/boston-red-sox-payroll/
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 10, 2021 22:15:03 GMT -5
In 38 ABs he cut his Ks. And he slashed .211/.286/.447. In the previous year, 15 ABs, 7 ks. Dude will be 27 this year. Isn’t like he has a ton if time not to suck anymore. LOL. I am sick of people using last year and its inherently skewed parameters and short season to justify guys “turning the corner” or “playing to their potential.” I will say straight-up this trade is a stinker until Cordero /Bloom proves me wrong over at least 150 games. Congratulations Mr. Bloom, you’ve built the second most expensive team in baseball. This same team is also unlikely to make the playoffs or even finish higher than 4th in their own division. John Henry, if you want to save some money I am available to be your GM at half the price you’re paying this guy now with the same level of mediocre performance. So far, Bloom appears to be the Bobby Valentine of GMs so far. But who knows - he may eventually turn the corner and play up to his potential. The biggest deal Bloom has given out is Hernandez at 7 AAV. To say that Bloom has "built" the 2nd highest payroll in baseball is pretty ridiculous in my mind. He inherited an extremely flawed roster with bloated contracts.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:15:44 GMT -5
Ah yes, he’s now Bobby Valentine before the return comes in Lol what a clown show this place is after a move Body of work from the draft to today (I’m assuming the Mookie trade was foisted on him by ownership). Dude’s shown us nothing to merit being more than a replacement level GM right now. If that. Sorry he couldn’t turn a dumpster fire he inherited into a golden carriage to the WS last year and it chaps your ass I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean we have people complain about him not signing big free agents and then you turn around and complain about him building the team with the second highest payroll. It’s a clown show, it’s pathetic, and it’s kind of funny to watch
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 22:16:06 GMT -5
Ah yes, he’s now Bobby Valentine before the return comes in Lol what a clown show this place is after a move Body of work from the draft to today (I’m assuming the Mookie trade was foisted on him by ownership). Dude’s shown us nothing to merit being more than a replacement level GM right now. If that. Is Dan Duquette still available?
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:17:29 GMT -5
LOL. I am sick of people using last year and its inherently skewed parameters and short season to justify guys “turning the corner” or “playing to their potential.” I will say straight-up this trade is a stinker until Cordero /Bloom proves me wrong over at least 150 games. Congratulations Mr. Bloom, you’ve built the second most expensive team in baseball. This same team is also unlikely to make the playoffs or even finish higher than 4th in their own division. John Henry, if you want to save some money I am available to be your GM at half the price you’re paying this guy now with the same level of mediocre performance. So far, Bloom appears to be the Bobby Valentine of GMs so far. But who knows - he may eventually turn the corner and play up to his potential. Wait what Rationality has left the building
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 22:17:49 GMT -5
You'd think we just traded Mookie again and not the guy Steamer and ZiPS both project for 1.5 fWAR in left field for 2021. And I like Benny, but the idea of him has been nicer than the reality since the second half of 2018.
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Post by bosox on Feb 10, 2021 22:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by taftreign on Feb 10, 2021 22:22:17 GMT -5
Ah yes, he’s now Bobby Valentine before the return comes in Lol what a clown show this place is after a move Body of work from the draft to today (I’m assuming the Mookie trade was foisted on him by ownership). Dude’s shown us nothing to merit being more than a replacement level GM right now. If that. Part of this is the recency bias coming off of Dave Dombrowski who is a strike fast strike hard GM. Bloom appears to be a more build on the fringes, build depth and youth followed by select large purchases. Dave's way gives instant gratification while Chaim’s is a multi year approach. Not a statement on this particular trade as I was looking for something different out of a Benintendi trade but there is potential for the unknown pieces to still make this a worthwhile trade. I am expecting a solid bounce back campaign from Benintendi this season. He is still a valuable piece for a club even when he’s not at his best.
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 22:23:05 GMT -5
Body of work from the draft to today (I’m assuming the Mookie trade was foisted on him by ownership). Dude’s shown us nothing to merit being more than a replacement level GM right now. If that. Sorry he couldn’t turn a dumpster fire he inherited into a golden carriage to the WS last year and it chaps your ass I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean we have people complain about him not signing big free agents and then you turn around and complain about him building the team with the second highest payroll. It’s a clown show, it’s pathetic, and it’s kind of funny to watch Well, they are right up against the tax line and a lot less talented. Is that all (or even mostly) his fault? No. But Dombrowski and Cherington both already got punished. Do you feel like the dumpster fire feels much cooler?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 10, 2021 22:23:06 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the Mets are giving us something else of value. Khalil Lee was a top ten prospect in a loaded Royals system. Mets will have to give up more than just Josh Winckowski.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 10, 2021 22:23:27 GMT -5
I like the deal. Cordero has upside left, plus whatever else is in the deal.
Benintendi has plateaued, minimal upside, but he's a solid regular. The Sox need to take some long shots and try to hit big on upside in a bridge year.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 22:25:01 GMT -5
Body of work from the draft to today (I’m assuming the Mookie trade was foisted on him by ownership). Dude’s shown us nothing to merit being more than a replacement level GM right now. If that. Part of this is the recency bias coming off of Dave Dombrowski who is a strike fast strike hard GM. Bloom appears to be a more build on the fringes, build depth and youth followed by select large purchases. Dave's way gives instant gratification while Chaim’s is a multi year approach. Not a statement on this particular trade as I was looking for something different out of a Benintendi trade but there is potential for the unknown pieces to still make this a worthwhile trade. I am expecting a solid bounce back campaign from Benintendi this season. He is still a valuable piece for a club even when he’s not at his best. yes, it seems he's building a mountain of depth, and everyone knows the Sox WILL spend in free agency to bring in more elite talent once their next competitive window is open.
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Post by taftreign on Feb 10, 2021 22:25:27 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the Mets are giving us something else of value. Khalil Lee was a top ten prospect in a loaded Royals system. Mets will have to give up more than just Josh Winckowski. How about JD Davis or Dominic Smith? I will take one of them. Or even Nimmo. That’s not asking much is it?
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:25:48 GMT -5
Sorry he couldn’t turn a dumpster fire he inherited into a golden carriage to the WS last year and it chaps your ass I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean we have people complain about him not signing big free agents and then you turn around and complain about him building the team with the second highest payroll. It’s a clown show, it’s pathetic, and it’s kind of funny to watch Well, they are right up against the tax line and a lot less talented. Is that all (or even mostly) his fault? No. But Dombrowski and Cherington both already got punished. Do you feel like the dumpster fire feels much cooler? Yes I do, I think they’ll probably be a good chunk better than last season and he has a plan
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 22:25:56 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the Mets are giving us something else of value. Khalil Lee was a top ten prospect in a loaded Royals system. Mets will have to give up more than just Josh Winckowski. Something... or else I’d rather just go straight for Lee, right? Benny for Lee and something else would be better, so there must be more.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:26:32 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the Mets are giving us something else of value. Khalil Lee was a top ten prospect in a loaded Royals system. Mets will have to give up more than just Josh Winckowski. Yeah it was really sneaky of them to dip in and get Lee, they have to be giving up something of a lot more significance
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 22:27:59 GMT -5
Well, they are right up against the tax line and a lot less talented. Is that all (or even mostly) his fault? No. But Dombrowski and Cherington both already got punished. Do you feel like the dumpster fire feels much cooler? Yes I do, I think they’ll probably be a good chunk better than last season and he has a plan Will we be better because of our OF moves? Or because ERod will be healthy? We couldn’t be worse than last year. But the improvement is time.
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