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4/22-4/25 Red Sox vs. Mariners Series Thread
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Post by manfred on Apr 26, 2021 19:11:47 GMT -5
On a related note: I see Yairo Munoz is on the IL, but I don’t know more than that. He seems like an option if healthy. He has hit in his very brief cups of coffee and is versatile. What is his situation?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 26, 2021 19:20:22 GMT -5
In 158 plate appearances last year, Chavis hit .212/.259/.377 with 50 strikeouts and 8 walks. He also doesn't have a defensive position. I agree the bench needs to add someone in lieu of a ninth reliever, but there are several better options internally. I'm being harsher than typical but it's not clear to me what Chavis offers. He needs to earn his way back. Can sort of go by ST. yes, it's not an all encompassing tell all, then what is at AAA? Chavis can play 1b,2b,3b and some LF and it's not like ST doesn't, nor hasn't decided who makes a team or not. That argument is pretty moot. AAA is players attempting to do as well as possible. Spring Training is players trying to get into shape. That's not even to address the sample size issue. Chavis has over 500 MLB plate appearances. It's not like he hasn't gotten an opportunity. I'd like to see him get one more but at the same time he is completely redundant with this roster right now. Even if he came up, what is the situation in which you would play him over Arroyo or Dalbec right now?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 26, 2021 19:45:57 GMT -5
I never posted about him in a starting role, look up above at the other 2 posts, just that he would be an improvement and better than having 9 relievers, if not for having to due to inefficiency of the back of the pen.
Chavis (as I posted also already) can play a fair 1b, 2b, 3b and somewhat LF. That makes him a power threat to get into say.. 3 games per week perhaps at multiple positions where he isn't an embarrassment.
Completely redundant? come on Chris. Don't be so defensive of every move and situation the Sox make and do. Look at the bench.. Plawecki isn't going to get PH AB's since he's the only other catcher. Renfroe/Cordero are both black holes at the plate (whichever 1 is on the bench). The team is screaming for a viable hitter as a 4th, or replacement to the Cordero/Renfro starter and the other figuring out how to hit and for Renfro, it goes back further than the last time Chavis did.
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Post by foreverred9 on Apr 26, 2021 20:24:27 GMT -5
Jesus... I knew CV had slumped, but looking at his season... it is basically a few massive early games keeping his stats from being brutal. Last 10 games, .139/.205/.344. Yikes. Whatever is wrong with Verdugo better be brief and better not linger. The Sox absolutely cannot afford not to have Verdugo, JDM, X, and Devers in the lineup. They are going to have to carry them. It really goes to show how important an early hot stretch is to keep the vultures at bay. Talk radio at least has some easy targets to go at (ahem Franchy/Renfroe) but I'd imagine there hasn't been much talk about CV. I could be wrong.
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Post by manfred on Apr 26, 2021 20:48:47 GMT -5
Jesus... I knew CV had slumped, but looking at his season... it is basically a few massive early games keeping his stats from being brutal. Last 10 games, .139/.205/.344. Yikes. Whatever is wrong with Verdugo better be brief and better not linger. The Sox absolutely cannot afford not to have Verdugo, JDM, X, and Devers in the lineup. They are going to have to carry them. It really goes to show how important an early hot stretch is to keep the vultures at bay. Talk radio at least has some easy targets to go at (ahem Franchy/Renfroe) but I'd imagine there hasn't been much talk about CV. I could be wrong. There is, perhaps, the issue of first impressions. Whitlock will probably never need to buy a beer in Boston again no matter how his career turns out. But other noobies bear the brunt...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 26, 2021 21:01:11 GMT -5
Odor was batting cleanup for the MFYs tonight, lol
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 26, 2021 22:01:26 GMT -5
Odor was batting cleanup for the MFYs tonight, lol I never bought into the NY Yuckies being the team to beat in the AL.... iffy rotation beyond Cole, and they have way too many injury prone players....especially among their 4 DHs/DHs in waiting....lol
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 26, 2021 22:49:58 GMT -5
And they lost to powerhouse Baltimore. Looking at the stats during the game, their entire lineup is doing a Franchy.
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 27, 2021 0:23:37 GMT -5
And they lost to powerhouse Baltimore. Looking at the stats during the game, their entire lineup is doing a Franchy. Oh, the horror. The MFYs lineup has five players below the Mendoza line. Keep it up boys.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 27, 2021 0:29:31 GMT -5
RE: Verdugo, sounds like tomorrow off but likely back Wednesday to be greeted by deGrom. Fun fact: DeGrom's ERA+ is 1238.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 27, 2021 3:26:41 GMT -5
Since July 1, 2019, in 430 PAs, Renfroe is batting a cool .171/.258/.350. What are the odds that he makes it through the season in Boston? I'm thinking about 30%? Actually, he was still hitting great through the ASB that year.
He now has a 58 wRC+ in his last 402 PA.
But I'm not sure that's any more discouraging than 79 wRC+ over 813 PA.
That was Mike Lowell after his first six games in a Sox uni. He had a 105 the rest of the way and a 128 the year after.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2021 6:44:25 GMT -5
Odor was batting cleanup for the MFYs tonight, lol I never bought into the NY Yuckies being the team to beat in the AL.... iffy rotation beyond Cole, and they have way too many injury prone players....especially among their 4 DHs/DHs in waiting....lol A few years back when Gary Sanchez came up and tore the leather off the ball I was like, "here we go again another Yankee that's going to be a dominant player." Soo happy to see him struggle to make contact and add in a boneheaded distraction every once in a while. How many of you are old enough to remember the MFY's gang up on Bill Lee during a brawl and target his throwing arm? You want to talk about a bunch of guys it was easy to hate, the 70's Yamnks were it.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 27, 2021 8:46:02 GMT -5
Since July 1, 2019, in 430 PAs, Renfroe is batting a cool .171/.258/.350. What are the odds that he makes it through the season in Boston? I'm thinking about 30%? Actually, he was still hitting great through the ASB that year.
He now has a 58 wRC+ in his last 402 PA.
But I'm not sure that's any more discouraging than 79 wRC+ over 813 PA.
That was Mike Lowell after his first six games in a Sox uni. He had a 105 the rest of the way and a 128 the year after.
After looking at Renfroe's splits I became more hopeful he can still be a useful piece - he's held his own against lefties at least. But I think he really needs to be used in much more of a platoon role. One difference from Lowell is that Lowell didn't have a real big L/R split over his career.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 27, 2021 10:23:50 GMT -5
I never bought into the NY Yuckies being the team to beat in the AL.... iffy rotation beyond Cole, and they have way too many injury prone players....especially among their 4 DHs/DHs in waiting....lol A few years back when Gary Sanchez came up and tore the leather off the ball I was like, "here we go again another Yankee that's going to be a dominant player." Soo happy to see him struggle to make contact and add in a boneheaded distraction every once in a while. How many of you are old enough to remember the MFY's gang up on Bill Lee during a brawl and target his throwing arm? You want to talk about a bunch of guys it was easy to hate, the 70's Yamnks were it. Even 70ish year old Don Zimmer going after Pedro in a brawl and Pedro side stepping him and letting fall on his face, A-Rod trying to slap the ball out of the Red Sox first baseman's glove.....most of all the arrogant Yankee fans. Yes, they are very, very easy to hate. My favourite team is the Red Sox (50 years), my second favourite is whoever is playing the Yankees....
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Post by Coreno on Apr 27, 2021 11:10:41 GMT -5
Actually, he was still hitting great through the ASB that year.
He now has a 58 wRC+ in his last 402 PA.
But I'm not sure that's any more discouraging than 79 wRC+ over 813 PA.
That was Mike Lowell after his first six games in a Sox uni. He had a 105 the rest of the way and a 128 the year after.
After looking at Renfroe's splits I became more hopeful he can still be a useful piece - he's held his own against lefties at least. But I think he really needs to be used in much more of a platoon role. One difference from Lowell is that Lowell didn't have a real big L/R split over his career. While I understand the depth play approach with the bullpen, I think this is the main way it's hurting them. Franch-froe platoon is a thing, Cora just hasn't been very strict with it since he's also trying to give guys days off. With only 2 non-catchers on the bench, it means Renfroe is in there vs RHP more than he should be. I really think they need to swap in another position player soon, whether it's Santana or Chavis, to extend the bench options a bit.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 27, 2021 15:23:55 GMT -5
After looking at Renfroe's splits I became more hopeful he can still be a useful piece - he's held his own against lefties at least. But I think he really needs to be used in much more of a platoon role. One difference from Lowell is that Lowell didn't have a real big L/R split over his career. While I understand the depth play approach with the bullpen, I think this is the main way it's hurting them. Franch-froe platoon is a thing, Cora just hasn't been very strict with it since he's also trying to give guys days off. With only 2 non-catchers on the bench, it means Renfroe is in there vs RHP more than he should be. I really think they need to swap in another position player soon, whether it's Santana or Chavis, to extend the bench options a bit. Right now I'd rather have Chavis up than Renfroe Chavis 25 years-old .241ave/.304obp/.424slg 540PAs vs. RHP .325OPB/.415SLG Renfroe 29 years-old .227ave/.278obp/.478slg 1647PAs vs. RHP .266OBP/439SLG One of these players (Chavis) may get better. Decades of data say the other (Renfroe) will not. Hell, I'd rather have Chavis than Franchy, too. Chavis 25 years-old .241ave/.304obp/.424slg 540PAs vs. RHP .325OPB/.415SLG/vs. LHP .256/.443SLG Cordero 26 years-old .231ave/.298obp/.407slg 364PAs vs. RHP .313OBP/.427SLG/vs. LPH .243OPB/.333SLG Franchy may have room to improve, but both he and Renfroe were bad acquisitions and use of resources considering you had basically both available at MLB minimum in Chavis, who may still improve. That $3.1M to Renfroe could've been better spent, either on another platoon player or toward a better pitcher than Richards. I hated both moves when they happened and I'm sticking to that until either player dramatically proves me different.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 27, 2021 16:39:33 GMT -5
The problem, again, is that it isn't Chavis versus Cordero or Renfroe. It's Chavis versus Arroyo and Dalbec. And Gonzalez for that matter.
They clearly have no interest in playing Chavis in left. That's the route to playing time right now. SHOULD they give him a shot out there? Maybe, but they apparently didn't love what they saw from him out there last year.
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