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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 9, 2021 7:02:31 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 9, 2021 8:51:20 GMT -5
Looks like based on this methodology the Red Sox should likely end up the 12th ranked farm post-draft.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2021 10:38:25 GMT -5
Tampa Bay ranked 1st, Toronto 2nd, Yankees 7th, and Baltimore 10th. Chaim's gonna have to earn his paycheck for the foreseeable future...
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 9, 2021 11:23:55 GMT -5
Tampa Bay ranked 1st, Toronto 2nd, Yankees 7th, and Baltimore 10th. Chaim's gonna have to earn his paycheck for the foreseeable future... I feel like the yankees 7th is a head scratcher as I thought their farm is pretty depleted other than Dominguez? Edit: I'll add I don't really follow farm systems as a whole. I know the sox because this site and the top 100 to 150 guys so maybe I'm selling them short. I did just look at espn and mlb.coms from before season and they are 15 and 18 respectively.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 9, 2021 11:37:37 GMT -5
Tampa Bay ranked 1st, Toronto 2nd, Yankees 7th, and Baltimore 10th. Chaim's gonna have to earn his paycheck for the foreseeable future... I feel like the yankees 7th is a head scratcher as I thought their farm is pretty depleted other than Dominguez? They've had some good development from some of their recent draft picks, like Josh Smith, Trevor Hauer Anthony Volpe (Leiter's HS teammate), and Glen Otto (he's 25 at AA), and some international guys like Oswaldo Peraza, Luis Gil and Luis Medina have seemingly taken a step forward, but I agree. I think their prospects tend to get overrated a bit. Coming into the year their #1 prospect was a teenager without a pro AB (I understand the raw and rare tools) and a 5'9 SP that is almost certainly a RP longterm, and if that were other teams I'm not sure they would be top 40 prospects like each were. Clark Schmidt is their other top 100 guy form the preseason, and he hasn't pitched this year, so really in terms in ML ready talent, there isn't a whole lot IMO, and certainly not top 7 worthy.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2021 11:40:49 GMT -5
Tampa Bay ranked 1st, Toronto 2nd, Yankees 7th, and Baltimore 10th. Chaim's gonna have to earn his paycheck for the foreseeable future... I feel like the yankees 7th is a head scratcher as I thought their farm is pretty depleted other than Dominguez? Edit: I'll add I don't really follow farm systems as a whole. I know the sox because this site and the top 100 to 150 guys so maybe I'm selling them short. I did just look at espn and mlb.coms from before season and they are 15 and 18 respectively. Here's their list. Not a lot of blue chippers, but a solid tier of 50 guys - they have 7 of them, vs. only 3 for the Red Sox. Their talent does seem to skew a bit toward the lower levels, though
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 9, 2021 11:52:40 GMT -5
I feel like the yankees 7th is a head scratcher as I thought their farm is pretty depleted other than Dominguez? Edit: I'll add I don't really follow farm systems as a whole. I know the sox because this site and the top 100 to 150 guys so maybe I'm selling them short. I did just look at espn and mlb.coms from before season and they are 15 and 18 respectively. Here's their list. Not a lot of blue chippers, but a solid tier of 50 guys - they have 7 of them, vs. only 3 for the Red Sox. Their talent does seem to skew a bit toward the lower levels, though It looks like fangraphs does things quite a bit different than other ranking sites too so who knows which one is correct since we all know ranking prospects isn't an exact science. I can see why they would rank higher on fangraphs but personally give me the top 100 guys over quantity in the lower levels.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 9, 2021 13:26:33 GMT -5
Since that upgrade Casas is hitting .207/.288/.224 that's a 48 wRC+. I suggest we go back to the old marks because that's clearly a jinx.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 12, 2021 19:18:32 GMT -5
I’m very interested to see where Mayer and Fabian fit into overall lists. Also where does the overall System rank??
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 12, 2021 19:34:32 GMT -5
I’m very interested to see where Mayer and Fabian fit into overall lists. Also where does the overall System rank?? Just one source, but we know for Fangraphs they will have Mayer 2nd in the system, just ahead of Downs, and the overall system will be 12th in the Majors. Fabian will be somewhere between 10th and 17th. Although that would be today, how the current players perform between now and when they do the rankings next likely will change most/all of that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 20, 2021 10:54:38 GMT -5
Keith Law in the Athletic discussing teams that might have a new #1 just drafted: Boston Red Sox: Marcelo Mayer, SS (drafted 4th) Center fielder Jarren Duran is in the majors now, but even if he was in Triple A, I’d still put Mayer over him given Duran’s propensity to strike out and Mayer’s greater overall upside, even given the latter’s distance from the majors. Duran might have star upside, given his power and his position, but I don’t think he has Mayer’s all-around potential as a hitter for average and power as well as premium defense at one of the most critical positions on the field (shortstop).
Were it not for Mayer, Boston’s best prospect now might be resurgent left-hander Jay Groome, who has come back from two lost years after Tommy John surgery and a tough start to 2021 to strike out 53 in 36 1/3 innings since the start of June with 14 walks. theathletic.com/2714763/2021/07/19/law-which-teams-just-drafted-their-new-no-1-prospects/?source=dailyemail
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Post by huskies15 on Jul 20, 2021 15:49:21 GMT -5
Law has never really quit on Groome since he was drafted.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 21, 2021 14:10:01 GMT -5
Fangraphs added the new draftees into their prospect lists. They have Mayer 34th overall. Here are their team rankings:
2. Mayer (50 FV) 14. Fabian (40+) 17. McDonough (40+) 25. Niko! (40) 46. Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz (35+)
(They may be under-rating Niko and Elmer's gameday thread title tools, however.)
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Post by bcsox on Jul 22, 2021 13:06:42 GMT -5
Keith Law just released his midseason TOP 50 propsects list. List does not include anyone currently in the majors: Of note: 1. Rutschman--C -Baltimore 5/12/19: Moreno C Toronto: Martin SS: Toronto: Pearson P--Toronto. Just added because Toronto all of a sudden seems to have a huge supply of young talent. 14. Marcelo Mayer: to me, anyway you slice it, this is high. Kid hasnt even signed yet. 15. Henry Davis: C --Pittsburgh 21. Jordan Lawler SS: Arizona 23. Jack Leiter: P Texas 28. Kumar Rocker: P- Mets 35. Jasson Dominquez: OF Yanks. theathletic.com/2720747/2021/07/22/top-50-mlb-prospects-keith-laws-updated-2021-midseason-list/
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 22, 2021 13:10:19 GMT -5
Keith Law just released his midseason TOP 50 propsects list. List does not include anyone currently in the majors: Of note: 1. Rutschman--C -Baltimore 5/12/19: Moreno C Toronto: Martin SS: Toronto: Pearson P--Toronto. Just added because Toronto all of a sudden seems to have a huge supply of young talent. 14. Marcelo Mayer: to me, anyway you slice it, this is high. Kid hasnt even signed yet. 15. Henry Davis: C --Pittsburgh 21. Jordan Lawler SS: Arizona 23. Jack Leiter: P Texas 28. Kumar Rocker: P- Mets 35. Jasson Dominquez: OF Yanks. I agree that seems high on all of the guys just drafted for sure, especially Rocker.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2021 14:08:38 GMT -5
7 draftees in the top 33 feels heavy. As does Matt McClain at 31...
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 22, 2021 14:35:37 GMT -5
Keith Law just released his midseason TOP 50 propsects list. List does not include anyone currently in the majors: Of note: 1. Rutschman--C -Baltimore 5/12/19: Moreno C Toronto: Martin SS: Toronto: Pearson P--Toronto. Just added because Toronto all of a sudden seems to have a huge supply of young talent. 14. Marcelo Mayer: to me, anyway you slice it, this is high. Kid hasnt even signed yet. 15. Henry Davis: C --Pittsburgh 21. Jordan Lawler SS: Arizona 23. Jack Leiter: P Texas 28. Kumar Rocker: P- Mets 35. Jasson Dominquez: OF Yanks. theathletic.com/2720747/2021/07/22/top-50-mlb-prospects-keith-laws-updated-2021-midseason-list/Can't help to think this is a bit homerish towards this draft, it puts a lot of prospects in the rear view and just doesn't make sense at all. Of course as Sox homer I am happy to see the MM placement.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2021 16:12:07 GMT -5
Julio Rodriguez is 20 years old and hitting .280/.410/.500 in Double-A. How is he behind Mayer and Davis?
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 22, 2021 17:51:18 GMT -5
Julio Rodriguez is 20 years old and hitting .280/.410/.500 in Double-A. How is he behind Mayer and Davis? I don't agree with the take in the slightest, but maybe he sees more swing and miss in his future? Has had the occasional pitch recognition / front foot problems for breaking stuff, especially on the outer half. What I'd seen this season was that he'd made some enough changes to mostly leave that in the rear view though. Seems crazy though yeah. Be fun to see him in the Olympics.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 26, 2021 9:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2021 9:51:45 GMT -5
No Downs? I know he's struggling this season but figured he'd still be in the 80-100 range.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2021 13:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jul 26, 2021 14:55:03 GMT -5
These people putting Duran ahead of Mayer, boy I don't know... Would you really trade Mayer for Duran, if you had the chance to do so? Proximity to the majors be damned, that's a very hard pass for me.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 26, 2021 15:00:09 GMT -5
The level of disrespect that Nick Yorke is getting is laughable. He'll play with chips on his shoulder I'm sure.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 26, 2021 15:07:55 GMT -5
These people putting Duran ahead of Mayer, boy I don't know... Would you really trade Mayer for Duran, if you had the chance to do so? Proximity to the majors be damned, that's a very hard pass for me. I agree with you about Mayer, but more importantly I strongly agree with using the "Would you trade..." frame for ranking prospects.
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