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Royals/Mets Prospect Watch
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Post by Addam603 on May 2, 2021 19:41:03 GMT -5
With the minor league season starting in a couple of days, the prospects that we are going to be receiving from the Benintendi deal will also be starting their season. We are going to have a couple of months to monitor the short list of prospects from both the Royals and the Mets to see who we want. Since we aren't going to know who is on the small list of prospects for each team, this thread can serve as a spot to watch the top prospects for the Mets and Royals and see who is shoving and hope that they are on the list. Mets Top 30 Royals Top 30 |
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Post by Addam603 on May 2, 2021 19:49:15 GMT -5
We're still getting one prospect from the Mets. Essentially, the prospect we get from the Mets+Winckowski needs to equal Khalil Lee-who for what it's worth is the Mets #7 prospect.
Double A Mets roster includes their #8 (3B Vientos), #18 (RHRP Gilliam), #19 (2B/OF Cortes), #23 (Starter/Swingman Megill), and #25 (RHRP Renteria). Vientos is probably too high up the list to be considered, but he is blocked at 3B by their #4 prospect so who knows. Personally I’m out on Gilliam and Renteria due to them being pure relievers at this point. Megill is like Seabold in the sense that he came to 2020 instructs with a considerable increase in velocity compared to 2019. Might let him stick as a starter. Worth keeping an eye on.
High-A Mets roster includes their #2 (SS Mauricio), #3 (RHSP Allan), #4 (3B Baty), #17 (RHSP Butto), and #26 (RHP Otanez) prospects. Mauricio, Allan, and Baty should be completely off the table. Butto could be interesting. Butto has a plus change and starter potential. Otanez is a wildcard. Turns 24 this year and hasn’t pitched in full season ball but had decent numbers in 2019 after making his way back from Tommy John. Likely a reliever though.
Mets A- team includes their #1 (C Alvarez), #5 (OF Crow-Armstrong), #11 (RHP Santos), #12 (3B/SS Palmer), #15 (SS Newton), and #28 (RHP Suarez). Alvarez and Crow-Armstrong won't be available. Santos is a big 6'8" righty that needs to develop his secondaries or he'll be in the bullpen, but he'll only be 19 for most of this season. Palmer has some pop and athleticism, but the hit tool lags behind. Newton is a good defender and has a 50 grade on power, but struggles to control the strike zone. Utility infielder at best. Suarez has starter potential and is young. He could be someone to keep an eye on.
At this point, I haven’t seen a set roster for the Mets AAA team.
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Post by Addam603 on May 2, 2021 20:23:51 GMT -5
Royals AAA Roster includes their #2 (LHSP Lynch), #4 (RHSP Kowar), #5 (OF Isbel), #11 (RHP Hernandez), #24 (RHSP Bolanos), and #26 (SS Fox). Lynch, Kowar, and Isbel are almost definitely not on the list, but the other three could be. Hernandez has a four-pitch mix with a plus fastball and some Major League experience, but his ability to start isn't certain. Bolanos is still developing as a starter, but he has the ability to stick in a rotation. Lucius Fox (when not helping Batman) has a utility profile with solid contact skills, speed, and the defensive ability to play multiple infield positions.
AA Roster includes the #1 (SS Witt Jr.), #8 (RHP Bowland), #9 (1B Pratto), #12 (RHP Marsh), #13 (RHP Heasley), #14 (C Melendez), #25 (OF Hicklen), and #30 (RHP Del Rosario) prospects in the system. You could only dream for Witt and Bowland and Pratto are probably out too. Marsh and Heasley both have mid-rotation starter potential, but I doubt they'd be available either. Not a certainty that they aren't though. Melendez is a solid defensive catcher with some raw power, but a sketchy hit tool. Weird to say, but they're pretty set at catcher around the AA level as it is. Odd comparison, but Hicklen reminds me of a poor man's Michael Gettys. Average power, field, and arm with plus-plus speed, but the hit tool lags behind. Regardless of whether or not either of the two remaining Royals prospects come from this level, this is a good team of prospects.
A+ Roster includes the #3 (LHP Lacy), #7 (SS Loftin), #10 (LHP Cox), #17 (OF Matias), #19 (RHP Haake), #22 (OF Gentry), #27 (RHP Klein), and #29 (LHP Zerpa) prospects. Lacy and Loftin are out. Cox has starter potential as a big lefty. Matias has LOUD tools, especially his power and arm, but the hit tool is suspect. Haake has a three pitch mix with some deception, but struggles with control. Gentry is a 2020 draft pick with projected average tools across the board. Klein is a power fastball/curveball reliever with an outside chance to start. Zerpa hasn't yet pitched in A ball, but the Royals liked him enough to add him to the 40 man to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.
A- Roster includes the #15 (RHP Hernandez), #20 (SS McConnell), and #23 (OF Collins) prospects. Light on top prospects, but has some recent draft picks. Hernandez was a 2020 2nd round pick out of high school and has a 65 grade on his changeup as a 19 year old. McConnell is another 2nd round pick (2019) and is a great athlete in the outfield but has struggled both on the field and staying healthy enough to be on the field. Collins is a teenager from the Netherlands with an above average hit tool, but limited power.
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Post by rasimon on May 3, 2021 6:32:43 GMT -5
Royals AAA Roster includes their #2 (LHSP Lynch), #4 (RHSP Kowar), #5 (OF Isbel), #11 (RHP Hernandez), #24 (RHSP Bolanos), and #26 (SS Fox). Lynch, Kowar, and Isbel are almost definitely not on the list, but the other three could be. Hernandez has a four-pitch mix with a plus fastball and some Major League experience, but his ability to start isn't certain. Bolanos is still developing as a starter, but he has the ability to stick in a rotation. Lucius Fox (when not helping Batman) has a utility profile with solid contact skills, speed, and the defensive ability to play multiple infield positions. AA Roster includes the #1 (SS Witt Jr.), #8 (RHP Bowland), #9 (1B Pratto), #12 (RHP Marsh), #13 (RHP Heasley), #14 (C Melendez), #25 (OF Hicklen), and #30 (RHP Del Rosario) prospects in the system. You could only dream for Witt and Bowland and Pratto are probably out too. Marsh and Heasley both have mid-rotation starter potential, but I doubt they'd be available either. Not a certainty that they aren't though. Melendez is a solid defensive catcher with some raw power, but a sketchy hit tool. Weird to say, but they're pretty set at catcher around the AA level as it is. Odd comparison, but Hicklen reminds me of a poor man's Michael Gettys. Average power, field, and arm with plus-plus speed, but the hit tool lags behind. Regardless of whether or not either of the two remaining Royals prospects come from this level, this is a good team of prospects. A+ Roster includes the #3 (LHP Lacy), #7 (SS Loftin), #10 (LHP Cox), #17 (OF Matias), #19 (RHP Haake), #22 (OF Gentry), #27 (RHP Klein), and #29 (LHP Zerpa) prospects. Lacy and Loftin are out. Cox has starter potential as a big lefty. Matias has LOUD tools, especially his power and arm, but the hit tool is suspect. Haake has a three pitch mix with some deception, but struggles with control. Gentry is a 2020 draft pick with projected average tools across the board. Klein is a power fastball/curveball reliever with an outside chance to start. Zerpa hasn't yet pitched in A ball, but the Royals liked him enough to add him to the 40 man to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. A- Roster includes the #15 (RHP Hernandez), #20 (SS McConnell), and #23 (OF Collins) prospects. Light on top prospects, but has some recent draft picks. Hernandez was a 2020 2nd round pick out of high school and has a 65 grade on his changeup as a 19 year old. McConnell is another 2nd round pick (2019) and is a great athlete in the outfield but has struggled both on the field and staying healthy enough to be on the field. Collins is a teenager from the Netherlands with an above average hit tool, but limited power. Ben Hernandez and Alec Marsh would be nice pickups Ben Hernandez's Perfect Game profile from last summer www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=496506 |
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Post by Addam603 on May 3, 2021 9:13:49 GMT -5
Alec Marsh is named as a potential breakout player in this article.
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 3, 2021 9:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 3, 2021 10:02:13 GMT -5
I also think the Royals prospects are going to be fringe-type guys. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm assuming the Red Sox are getting like low level guys that aren't top 30 prospects. It's going to be a lot of work to track these guys when we don't even know what the lists are... |
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Post by jimoh on May 3, 2021 10:07:21 GMT -5
Thanks: this is a great service.
One thought I had would be that one of the guys could be a person ranked below the top 30 but still interesting: someone like our Miguel Bleis, Bryan Gonzalez, or Juan Chacon.
As noted elsewhere on the site, the Giants have just called up hard-throwing Gregory Santos, "Signed by the Red Sox for $275,000 out of the Dominican Republic in 2015," who went in the Eduardo Nunez trade, but was never in our top 20 (the easiest thing to research)
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Post by incandenza on May 3, 2021 10:25:35 GMT -5
Thanks: this is a great service. One thought I had would be that one of the guys could be a person ranked below the top 30 but still interesting: someone like our Miguel Bleis, Bryan Gonzalez, or Juan Chacon. As noted elsewhere on the site, the Giants have just called up hard-throwing Gregory Santos, "Signed by the Red Sox for $275,000 out of the Dominican Republic in 2015," who went in the Eduardo Nunez trade, but was never in our top 20 (the easiest thing to research) Oh man, a prospect who would currently rank in our top 3 that we gave up for Eduardo Nunez. That's really painful.
Meanwhile, looks like this just dropped:
Top 51 prospects: Kansas City Royals
If fangraphs is to be bellieved it looks like the Boston and KC farm systems beyond the top 3 or so are very evenly matched: both have 9 who are 45 FV or better; both have 16 who are 40+ or better; Sox have 33 who are 40 or better and KC has 35.
I'd guess the guys we get will be in the 25-35 range or so?
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Post by cdj on May 3, 2021 10:28:30 GMT -5
Thanks: this is a great service. One thought I had would be that one of the guys could be a person ranked below the top 30 but still interesting: someone like our Miguel Bleis, Bryan Gonzalez, or Juan Chacon. As noted elsewhere on the site, the Giants have just called up hard-throwing Gregory Santos, "Signed by the Red Sox for $275,000 out of the Dominican Republic in 2015," who went in the Eduardo Nunez trade, but was never in our top 20 (the easiest thing to research) Oh man, a prospect who would currently rank in our top 3 that we gave up for Eduardo Nunez. That's really painful.
Meanwhile, looks like this just dropped:
Top 51 prospects: Kansas City Royals
Here now it’s less painful |
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 4, 2021 10:33:09 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on May 4, 2021 10:46:45 GMT -5
That’s who I’ve wanted all along, plz be on the list |
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Post by ramireja on May 4, 2021 11:16:40 GMT -5
Oh man, Dominguez would be awesome but not getting my hopes up too high. He's probably #1 on my (semi-reasonable) wishlist. |
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Post by jimoh on May 4, 2021 11:25:42 GMT -5
Oh man, Dominguez would be awesome but not getting my hopes up too high. He's probably #1 on my (semi-reasonable) wishlist. As many will remember, mlb.com ranked him #13 for the Mets on March 12, #12 a year ago. |
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Post by rasimon on May 4, 2021 12:07:16 GMT -5
Oh man, Dominguez would be awesome but not getting my hopes up too high. He's probably #1 on my (semi-reasonable) wishlist. agreed. Khalil Lee is the Mets #7 prospect. They owe us a pretty good prospect (but we only get one PTBNL from them). Probably in their 9-20 region. I don't see us getting Alvarez (Mets #1), Allen (3), or PCA (5). I not in love with most of what they have. Dominguez looks like the best of the possibles. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 5, 2021 10:22:50 GMT -5
This was a much-needed thread, Addam603. Good work.
- My recollection from when the trade was made is that we were likely to get one decent prospect from the Royals and one low-level lottery ticket. Is that incorrect? According to Speier, it sounds now like the expectation is two lottery tickets.
- I would be happy with Dominguez and I can't imagine why he should be out of our reach. We gave them Khail Lee, who is now No. 7 for the Mets, significantly higher than Dominguez, who's No. 13. Again, Speier's claim makes no sense here. Why would the RS give up Lee in return for a low-level Mets prospect. Was CB that high on Franchy?
- I've wondered whether our PTBNL for Lee will be Lee. Is it possible that he's on the list and the RS can just take him back?
I wish this could have been a straight PTBNL package without Franchy and Winckowski. (And I'm not saying this just because Franchy has sucked so badly this year. He was 26 with no record of accomplishment when we acquired him.)
That way we'd be getting better PTBNLs. I'd like to see CB shift his focus from adding depth to the system to adding more firepower to the top 10. Frank German and Winckowski are ranked 26th and 27th respectively by SP. We don't need more of those filler-type guys. We need impact.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 5, 2021 10:30:56 GMT -5
I never heard that, re: the first bullet.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 5, 2021 17:48:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the perspective, Chris (though most of your post seems to have disappeared.)
So, do you think Dominguez is realistic? If you tell me he's not, I'll accept it and avoid being disappointed when the Mets PTBNL is, you know, named later.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 7, 2021 16:50:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the perspective, Chris (though most of your post seems to have disappeared.) I got more optimistic. Let's leave it at that.  I'll also reiterate my point about the limited nature of the sources we've gotten information from on this trade so far. Grain of salt, etc. |
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Post by ramireja on May 7, 2021 17:15:30 GMT -5
As far as Royals prospects are concerned, I think they will target younger guys with at least a couple of years left prior to 40-man eligibility as we may be experiencing 40-man roster crunches moving forward (the price to pay for having strong prospect depth). There are a fair number of intriguing international free agents from their 2018 class that seem like they could be targets:
- Darryl Collins, LF, #23 (FanGraphs ranking)
- Omar Hernandez, C, #39
- Samuel Valerio, RHP, #40
- Omar Florentino, SS, #44
- Woo Young Jin, RHP, #50
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 7, 2021 18:40:01 GMT -5
I got Junior Santos' statcast data from his debut tonight: 3 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K.
7 balls in play, 1 hard hit ball.
Sat 94, topped out at 96.6.
His fastball is a sinker, has a ton of run, and he was throwing it at the top of the zone tonight. 29 swings, 11 whiffs. Not a big spin guy on his pitches, at least night tonight.
Held his velo well for his 55 ptiches. Roughly 10 curves, 10 sliders, 1 changeup.
For such a huge guy, very tight release point discipline.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on May 8, 2021 15:32:37 GMT -5
Do we know with certainty what Beni's worth is? Was it from the date of the trade? Does it include his season's performance to date?
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Post by jimoh on May 8, 2021 19:14:54 GMT -5
Do we know with certainty what Beni's worth is? Was it from the date of the trade? Does it include his season's performance to date? There is no indication the trade was conditional in any way. |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 9, 2021 2:42:40 GMT -5
From mlbs daily top prospect mentions:
Royals: Alec Marsh, RHP (No. 12), Double-A Northwest Arkansas High-A Quad Cities
Making his Double-A debut, the 12th-ranked Royals prospect sparkled over five hitless frames. Marsh yielded just three walks and fanned a career-best nine. The righty retired the side in order in the second and whiffed five of the final six batters he faced. Marsh threw 48 of his 85 pitches for strikes
I know that no names have been mentioned, he’s just that below 10 prospect that has been mentioned as being part of the deal. He also happens to be the one Kansas City prospect I am hoping could be part of the deal. ( unless Eric pena could be included but that would be a steal and highly unlikely)
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 9, 2021 9:41:25 GMT -5
The "below 10" prospect is coming from the Mets, not the Royals.
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