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Post by soxinsf on May 9, 2021 12:42:57 GMT -5
So, Houck is shut down. Sox are in the middle of two weeks without a day off. If Sox need another starter in that period, is Seabold the next man up? If not Seabold, who? Bullpen game? DFA Bruce and bring back Weber?
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Post by ematz1423 on May 9, 2021 12:56:37 GMT -5
So, Houck is shut down. Sox are in the middle of two weeks without a day off. If Sox need another starter in that period, is Seabold the next man up? If not Seabold, who? Bullpen game? DFA Bruce and bring back Weber? Seabold is hurt right now too. Elbow inflammation last I saw. |
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Post by soxinsf on May 9, 2021 13:04:00 GMT -5
Yes. Saw that after I posted. My bad. But the overarching question remains. Who is the next guy up if the Sox need another starter.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 9, 2021 13:14:38 GMT -5
Yes. Saw that after I posted. My bad. But the overarching question remains. Who is the next guy up if the Sox need another starter. Whittlock |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 10, 2021 1:13:43 GMT -5
Whitlock isn't stretched out, Gonzalves is also good to go.
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Post by Coreno on May 10, 2021 16:56:14 GMT -5
Whitlock isn't stretched out, Gonzalves is also good to go. Not on 40 man |
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Post by soxinsf on May 10, 2021 18:06:56 GMT -5
Whitlock isn't stretched out, Gonzalves is also good to go. Not on 40 man If the logical choices are injured, not stretched out or not on the 40 man roster, the Sox, if they need another starter in the near term, will either have to DFA someone or resort to a bullpen game. Whitlock fits that latter category since he does work multiple innings. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 10, 2021 22:24:19 GMT -5
They've handled Whitlock with kid gloves all year. At this point I'd be kind of surprised if they gave him a start. He threw 59 pitches that first outing but has thrown more than 31 just once since, and they have him 4 days after that 41-pitch outing. Maybe in like June or July they'll loosen up the reins a bit.
That they had Andriese throw 44 pitches tonight (first time above 27 since April 17) and planned for him to throw multiple innings behind Pérez coming in makes me wonder if the plan is to stretch him back out more until one of those guys is back healthy.
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Post by soxinsf on May 10, 2021 22:59:10 GMT -5
They've handled Whitlock with kid gloves all year. At this point I'd be kind of surprised if they gave him a start. He threw 59 pitches that first outing but has thrown more than 31 just once since, and they have him 4 days after that 41-pitch outing. Maybe in like June or July they'll loosen up the reins a bit. That they had Andriese throw 44 pitches tonight (first time above 27 since April 17) and planned for him to throw multiple innings behind Pérez coming in makes me wonder if the plan is to stretch him back out more until one of those guys is back healthy. I agree that you have offered a plausible scenario. I have yet to see anything from Andriese that suggests that he is a five or six inning pitcher. Whitlock is not either at this point. How about three innings for each of them led off by anyone except Brice. |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 11, 2021 10:05:48 GMT -5
I count SP depth of 14 in March. Counting emergency starters.
Now I see 8. Chaim has a reason for being obsessive.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 11, 2021 11:15:50 GMT -5
I count SP depth of 14 in March. Counting emergency starters. Now I see 8. Chaim has a reason for being obsessive. Lessee if I can get the 14 and 8 Eovaldi ERod Richards Pérez Pivetta Andriese Whitlock Houck
Seabold
MataGossett Gonsalves Hart SaleThat the 14? Are you at 8 by subtracting the two MLB relievers as not stretched? |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 11, 2021 19:41:26 GMT -5
I count SP depth of 14 in March. Counting emergency starters. Now I see 8. Chaim has a reason for being obsessive. Lessee if I can get the 14 and 8 Eovaldi ERod Richards Pérez Pivetta Andriese Whitlock Houck
Seabold
MataGossett Gonsalves Hart SaleThat the 14? Are you at 8 by subtracting the two MLB relievers as not stretched? Eovaldi ERod Richards Pérez Pivetta Andriese
Houck
Seabold
Mata
Gossett
Gonsalves
Hart
Espinal
Weber
I dropped Hart, Espinal, Gossett due to total ineffectiveness. Let's put Espinal on as number 9. He threw strikes today. |
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Post by Jimmy on May 11, 2021 23:37:41 GMT -5
It’s too early for Ryan Weber talk.
It’s too early for Ryan Weber talk.
It’s too early for Ryan Weber talk.
It will always be to early for Ryan Weber talk.
2-3 innings from Whitlock.
2-3 innings from Andriese.
3-5 innings from the pen.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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Post by soxinsf on May 12, 2021 0:25:38 GMT -5
It’s too early for Ryan Weber talk. It’s too early for Ryan Weber talk. It’s too early for Ryan Weber talk. It will always be to early for Ryan Weber talk. 2-3 innings from Whitlock. 2-3 innings from Andriese. 3-5 innings from the pen. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Would Weber or Walden be worse than Brice? |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 12, 2021 10:03:49 GMT -5
I don't know why but Weber was actually decent when he'd come in around the 3rd or 4th inning last year. He was terrible when they'd give him a start, but if it got down to it, they could start Whitlock for 2 or maybe even 3 innings and then start the next inning with Weber and get either two or three out of him and then go to Andriese to continue to piece it together.
I'd be fine if Weber got the call. The only other choice at this point is Gonsalvez if they needed a starter.
I'm not worried about the 40 man roster thing. They have options to get around that issue. Hopefully the Red Sox don't need to resort to a bullpen game at this point.
It's ironic. We're worried about Eovaldi, Richards, and E-Rod, but felt that the depth was better with Whitman, Seabold, Mata, and Houck, but the latter 3 are injured with Mata out for the year and Sale isn't ready, so the depth which looked good prior to the season now looks razor thin. Or as they say, you can never have too much pitching.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 12, 2021 10:41:57 GMT -5
Lessee if I can get the 14 and 8 Eovaldi ERod Richards Pérez Pivetta Andriese Whitlock Houck
Seabold
MataGossett Gonsalves Hart SaleThat the 14? Are you at 8 by subtracting the two MLB relievers as not stretched? Eovaldi ERod Richards Pérez Pivetta Andriese
Houck
Seabold
Mata
Gossett
Gonsalves
Hart
Espinal
Weber
I dropped Hart, Espinal, Gossett due to total ineffectiveness. Let's put Espinal on as number 9. He threw strikes today. Total ineffectiveness after a single start? Really? |
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Post by manfred on May 12, 2021 10:52:03 GMT -5
The starting depth convo looks a bit like the bullpen... starters 10-14 or whatever get dismissed because they aren’t Eovaldi or whatever. I guess to me, the notion is that if some catastrophe wiped out 8 guys, 9 guys, and for a series you had to go Hart, Weber, Gonsalves... that is pretty darn good. I suspect if a team like the Orioles had any of those guys, they’d be starting now.
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Post by soxinsf on May 12, 2021 20:51:20 GMT -5
With Pivetta being out on the COVID list, we may find out this week where the Sox go for another starter. There are guys on the Woo Woo roster who could do it but that would require some roster manipulation, especially if it would be someone not on the 40 man roster.
My preference would be a Whitlock and Andriese based bullpen game.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 13, 2021 8:24:59 GMT -5
Eovaldi ERod Richards Pérez Pivetta Andriese
Houck
Seabold
Mata
Gossett
Gonsalves
Hart
Espinal
Weber
I dropped Hart, Espinal, Gossett due to total ineffectiveness. Let's put Espinal on as number 9. He threw strikes today. Total ineffectiveness after a single start? Really? Hart will get it together and have a good year. But he hasn't had a WHIP (Spring or Regular) below 2.00 since Spring '20, when his ERA was 7.00. After last night's game let's add Gossett back. Giving them 10. Guilty until proven innocent |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 13, 2021 11:19:52 GMT -5
With Pivetta being out on the COVID list, we may find out this week where the Sox go for another starter. There are guys on the Woo Woo roster who could do it but that would require some roster manipulation, especially if it would be someone not on the 40 man roster. My preference would be a Whitlock and Andriese based bullpen game. He's only on the list because of side effects from the vaccine. I'd be surprised if he misses his start tomorrow. |
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Post by manfred on May 13, 2021 11:37:15 GMT -5
With Pivetta being out on the COVID list, we may find out this week where the Sox go for another starter. There are guys on the Woo Woo roster who could do it but that would require some roster manipulation, especially if it would be someone not on the 40 man roster. My preference would be a Whitlock and Andriese based bullpen game. He's only on the list because of side effects from the vaccine. I'd be surprised if he misses his start tomorrow. It is a little odd, though, to get to call a guy up because a guy *between* starts is ill. That is, if Pivetta had food poisoning, they’d just have him stay home, but they wouldn’t add a guy. Pivetta was barely eligible to pitch if healthy. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 13, 2021 11:56:10 GMT -5
He's only on the list because of side effects from the vaccine. I'd be surprised if he misses his start tomorrow. It is a little odd, though, to get to call a guy up because a guy *between* starts is ill. That is, if Pivetta had food poisoning, they’d just have him stay home, but they wouldn’t add a guy. Pivetta was barely eligible to pitch if healthy. Twitter's starting to rumble a bit that some teams are abusing the COVID IL, actually. |
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Post by incandenza on May 13, 2021 12:17:16 GMT -5
Seems sensible to allow teams to be flexible with the covid IL in the case of vaccine reactions; you want to incetivize the players to get vaccinated, and for teams to encourage them to do so. But once vaccinations are available to everyone who wants one (which ought to be approximately now, I'd think) shouldn't they get rid of the covid IL anyway? If, at that point, guys get covid or are unvaccinated and have to do a covid protocol thing, seems like that ought to be treated like any other kind of illness or injury.
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Post by soxinsf on May 13, 2021 13:20:48 GMT -5
Seems sensible to allow teams to be flexible with the covid IL in the case of vaccine reactions; you want to incetivize the players to get vaccinated, and for teams to encourage them to do so. But once vaccinations are available to everyone who wants one (which ought to be approximately now, I'd think) shouldn't they get rid of the covid IL anyway? If, at that point, guys get covid or are unvaccinated and have to do a covid protocol thing, seems like that ought to be treated like any other kind of illness or injury. My two cents. You may be right that some rethinking is necessary, but it seems a bit premature to abandon the Covid IL in its entirety. We are not out of the woods yet, and, while there may need to be some tinkering with the system, let us not declare the pandemic over just yet. |
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Post by manfred on May 13, 2021 13:55:44 GMT -5
I’ll try to frame this to stay on topic!
I am all for the COVID IL. But.... if you go on, you should have to stay on 10 days (quarantine time)... or else you risk using it as a way to cycle fresh arms. In this case, if Pivetta goes on because of a brief reaction between starts, the Sox get a free arm they otherwise wouldn’t have. A player who is not so sick/injured that he won’t miss his next scheduled appearance should not get a fresh body replacement for free. Imagine if you gave a 3- game series with the, say, Yankees, and Cole pitches game one, gets his shot the say of game 2, and they get a spare reliever for game 3... but Cole makes his start in their next series!
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