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5/14-5/16 Red Sox vs. Angels Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on May 13, 2021 23:27:04 GMT -5
5/14 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 5-0, 3.19, 36.2 IP, 35K:22BB) vs. Angels (RHP Griffin Canning, 3-2, 5.19, 26.0 IP, 30K:10BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 5/15 Red Sox (LHP Martin Perez, 0-2, 4.01, 33.2 IP, 32K:12BB) vs. Angels (RHP Dylan Bundy, 0-4, 5.03, 39.1 IP, 43K:10BB) 4:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 5/16 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 4-2, 4.20, 45.0 IP, 41K:10BB) vs. Angels (LHP Jose Quintana, 0-3, 9.00, 21.0 IP, 34K:19BB) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2021 0:01:17 GMT -5
Dylan Bundy is still 28 years old. Have we hit a time warp and nobody told me anything? Quick, nobody eat pangolin meat!
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Post by Jimmy on May 14, 2021 1:42:16 GMT -5
Based on the SP matchups not absurd to expect to eat 2 or 3 W’s here. If you get the reference you’re cultured.
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Post by ericmvan on May 14, 2021 6:08:10 GMT -5
Bundy has been really good this year except for preventing runs from scoring.
Department of "is your pitching coach aware of these splits?"
.183 / .248 / .333 (134 PA) everything but ... .448 / .467 / .655 (30 PA) GDP situations
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 14, 2021 7:40:25 GMT -5
Dylan Bundy is still 28 years old. Have we hit a time warp and nobody told me anything? Quick, nobody eat pangolin meat! Too late. Got my Pangolin special from Tegridy Farms.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 14, 2021 7:41:03 GMT -5
Based on the SP matchups not absurd to expect to eat 2 or 3 W’s here. If you get the reference you’re cultured. Pivetta eating the W post game would be great
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 14, 2021 8:00:24 GMT -5
Kind of bummed we don't get Ohtani on the mound. Maybe a tougher matchup but you only see shooting stars like this so often...
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 14, 2021 8:54:40 GMT -5
Kind of bummed we don't get Ohtani on the mound. Maybe a tougher matchup but you only see shooting stars like this so often... I would rather win three straight games than see Ohtani face Red Sox batters.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 14, 2021 8:59:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to agree I won't miss missing Ohtani. But it would make a sweep all the sweeter if we could beat him.
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Post by manfred on May 14, 2021 9:53:47 GMT -5
What an age for baseball.
10 years ago, if you saw that three starters had 26 innings, 30 Ks, 39/43, and 21/34, would you think the respective ERAs would be 5.19, 5.03, and 9.00(!)?
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Post by incandenza on May 14, 2021 10:07:36 GMT -5
What an age for baseball. 10 years ago, if you saw that three starters had 26 innings, 30 Ks, 39/43, and 21/34, would you think the respective ERAs would be 5.19, 5.03, and 9.00(!)? I just can't get over the fact that the game's biggest problem has been too few balls in play, and MLB responded by changing the ball in a way that has led to... more strikeouts.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 14, 2021 10:49:48 GMT -5
Another instance of the law of unintended consequences, which is always in effect. The way the baseball behaves is fundamental to how pitches move as well as how batted balls fly. That may not have been part of the thinking but it should have been.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 14, 2021 11:12:39 GMT -5
What an age for baseball. 10 years ago, if you saw that three starters had 26 innings, 30 Ks, 39/43, and 21/34, would you think the respective ERAs would be 5.19, 5.03, and 9.00(!)? I just can't get over the fact that the game's biggest problem has been too few balls in play, and MLB responded by changing the ball in a way that has led to... more strikeouts. The throw by Gallo last night is a reminder of what baseball should have more of vs the 3 outcome game. 97.3 strike to home was one of the best I have seen. www.mlb.com/news/joey-gallo-makes-incredible-throw-in-rangers-loss
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Post by incandenza on May 14, 2021 11:28:45 GMT -5
Another instance of the law of unintended consequences, which is always in effect. The way the baseball behaves is fundamental to how pitches move as well as how batted balls fly. That may not have been part of the thinking but it should have been. It was at least a year or two ago that I, a random internet person, heard the idea from ericmvan on this very discussion board that you could redistribute the weight and deaden the ball so that pitchers' stuff would play down without leading to more homers - which, when you think about it, is a pretty obvious idea. I think he got that from a SABR conference or something, so it's not like the idea wasn't out there...
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Post by James Dunne on May 14, 2021 11:54:05 GMT -5
What an age for baseball. 10 years ago, if you saw that three starters had 26 innings, 30 Ks, 39/43, and 21/34, would you think the respective ERAs would be 5.19, 5.03, and 9.00(!)? I just can't get over the fact that the game's biggest problem has been too few balls in play, and MLB responded by changing the ball in a way that has led to... more strikeouts. I disagree with this. They changed the ball in a way that has led to fewer home runs, and teams now need to respond by replacing the types of players whose skills were overemphasized by the superball out of the lineup. There is a whole class of player who was gaining 5 to 8 homers a year from the juiced ball. Now less of a slugging threat, pitchers have less reason to pitch them carefully, so the walks and homers are falling some and the strikeouts go up. The term "empty .300" has been around for awhile, but the key is how good an empty-.300 hitter is compared to the alternative. For instance, let's take a hypothetical .230/.330/.470ish player. 500 AB, 25 2B, 32 HR, 200K, 75 BB. Now, take away seven of those homers and make them fly outs. Pitchers are less careful with him, so he's losing 15 walks. A few of those walks are turning into strikeouts. He puts a few more balls in play and perhaps comes away with a couple singles. Anyhow, it's a short trip to him now being a .225/.300/.410 player. That's worse than the "empty" .300/.340/.370 types. There just hasn't been enough of an adjustment to get there yet.
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Post by incandenza on May 14, 2021 12:04:57 GMT -5
I just can't get over the fact that the game's biggest problem has been too few balls in play, and MLB responded by changing the ball in a way that has led to... more strikeouts. I disagree with this. They changed the ball in a way that has led to fewer home runs, and teams now need to respond by replacing the types of players whose skills were overemphasized by the superball out of the lineup. There is a whole class of player who was gaining 5 to 8 homers a year from the juiced ball. Now less of a slugging threat, pitchers have less reason to pitch them carefully, so the walks and homers are falling some and the strikeouts go up. The term "empty .300" has been around for awhile, but the key is how good an empty-.300 hitter is compared to the alternative. For instance, let's take a hypothetical .230/.330/.470ish player. 500 AB, 25 2B, 32 HR, 200K, 75 BB. Now, take away seven of those homers and make them fly outs. Pitchers are less careful with him, so he's losing 15 walks. A few of those walks are turning into strikeouts. He puts a few more balls in play and perhaps comes away with a couple singles. Anyhow, it's a short trip to him now being a .225/.300/.410 player. That's worse than the "empty" .300/.340/.370 types. There just hasn't been enough of an adjustment to get there yet. My understanding, though, was that the added friction on the ball wasn't just cutting down fly ball distances, it was also increasing movement on pitches. Is that incorrect?
ADD: For context, even with the deader ball, the HR rate (1.13/game) is only down to about what it was at its ca. 2000 Bondsian peak; but batting average is down by over 30 points since then, and down 11 points just since last season, 18 points since 2019. Strikeouts are up about 3.6% since last season and 40% since 2000.
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Post by manfred on May 14, 2021 12:30:28 GMT -5
I just can't get over the fact that the game's biggest problem has been too few balls in play, and MLB responded by changing the ball in a way that has led to... more strikeouts. I disagree with this. They changed the ball in a way that has led to fewer home runs, and teams now need to respond by replacing the types of players whose skills were overemphasized by the superball out of the lineup. There is a whole class of player who was gaining 5 to 8 homers a year from the juiced ball. Now less of a slugging threat, pitchers have less reason to pitch them carefully, so the walks and homers are falling some and the strikeouts go up. The term "empty .300" has been around for awhile, but the key is how good an empty-.300 hitter is compared to the alternative. For instance, let's take a hypothetical .230/.330/.470ish player. 500 AB, 25 2B, 32 HR, 200K, 75 BB. Now, take away seven of those homers and make them fly outs. Pitchers are less careful with him, so he's losing 15 walks. A few of those walks are turning into strikeouts. He puts a few more balls in play and perhaps comes away with a couple singles. Anyhow, it's a short trip to him now being a .225/.300/.410 player. That's worse than the "empty" .300/.340/.370 types. There just hasn't been enough of an adjustment to get there yet. This is the exact argument I made in the Pedroia/Dunn debate. The difference between Dunn’s best year and a not-bad, ok year was about 6 HRs and 10 doubles. In that case, he had an off year... it wasn’t an effort by MLB. Now, you ask, ok, who are good players who turn fair or even below average with the loss of ~5 HRs and some doubles? This will, for example, demand a guy like Dalbec adjust (I think he can). But before I think we assumed he could hit .225, .230 and be fine. Now I’m not so sure (though, again, he might, since he has the kind of power that might lose fewer HRs... ain’t like he gets cheated).
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 14, 2021 16:45:46 GMT -5
Starting play today:
AL East +10 AL Central -10 AL West +2 NL East -4 NL Central - NL West +2
These numbers only change when a team plays some outside their division, so as the AL East plays each other and beats each other up there is no net change. That said, the AL East IMO will continue to show that it IS the toughest division in the MLB.
It will interesting to see how they stack up to TB, Tor, and the Evil Empire.
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Post by unitspin on May 14, 2021 17:18:49 GMT -5
Starting play today: AL East +10 AL Central -10 AL West +2 NL East -4 NL Central - NL West +2 These numbers only change when a team plays some outside their division, so as the AL East plays each other and beats each other up there is no net change. That said, the AL East IMO will continue to show that it IS the toughest division in the MLB. It will interesting to see how they stack up to TB, Tor, and the Evil Empire. AL east is always the toughest division but I think it might be a 1b this season to the NL west being the 1A. That division is scary good.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 14, 2021 17:42:09 GMT -5
Starting play today: AL East +10 AL Central -10 AL West +2 NL East -4 NL Central - NL West +2 These numbers only change when a team plays some outside their division, so as the AL East plays each other and beats each other up there is no net change. That said, the AL East IMO will continue to show that it IS the toughest division in the MLB. It will interesting to see how they stack up to TB, Tor, and the Evil Empire. AL east is always the toughest division but I think it might be a 1b this season to the NL west being the 1A. That division is scary good. In terms of pure talent the dodgers and Padres are right up there with those early 2000s red sox and Yankees teams in 1 division. The NL west is stacked for sure.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 14, 2021 18:04:56 GMT -5
Win two. Steal one. LFG! #sweep
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2021 18:30:52 GMT -5
JD silver slugger and gold glove for LF
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2021 18:46:01 GMT -5
Hunter is starting to really win me over
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Post by chrisfromnc on May 14, 2021 18:46:14 GMT -5
Hunter Renfroe! Two run tater.
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Post by chrisfromnc on May 14, 2021 18:46:57 GMT -5
Hunter is starting to really win me over I’m thinking about asking if there are seats on that bandwagon.
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