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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 31, 2021 9:57:17 GMT -5
I'm down for big changes, yet you don't want to dump 8 players, that seems way too extreme.
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Post by texs31 on May 31, 2021 11:29:26 GMT -5
Heard some people suggest OKC (Horford) as a possible trade partner for a Kemba deal. Think you'd have to be okay with: a) Paying Presti (w picks and/or young players) to take on the extra money b) Al not being close to the player that he was when he left (but still an upgrade over TT?) Not sure where I am on this. I'm not okay with paying with picks or players unless it's second rounders or fringe guys. Getting Horford isn't horrible, yet not at any big cost. If you want to play with fire, I'd say go try for Wall and Woods. Not saying I want to do that, yet if you are giving up assets of any real value that makes more sense. What gives me pause is: - Replacing a good character guy with another - Moving 10M of salary (diff between Kemba and Horford) - Upgrade on TT - Good mentor for RW. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be worth the price, though. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 31, 2021 12:44:41 GMT -5
It's the cost that has me worried. I don't want to pull a Rockets type trade. Giving up any real assets when the biggest upgrade is just likely money leaves a bad taste in my mouth. In a year Walkers value will really increase as an expiring deal.
I want to use draft assets to improve the team in a big way, not save $10 million. I'm thinking of what's best 2-4 years down the line with prime aged Tatum and Brown, more than what's best next year. I love Horford, I can see him helping, yet are the Thunder taking on extra money for like Grant and Edwards? I'm not adding a first round pick or guys like Robert Williams, Nesmith, Pritchard or Langford. Not for Horford and saving money when it won't win you a championship.
My head hurts, this is crazy. What to do with Walker and Thompson. What do you do with Smart in his last year? What do you do with Fournier? Do you give Robert Williams an extension? What free agents do you target? It's going to be a crazy interesting offseason!
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Post by cdj on May 31, 2021 12:47:25 GMT -5
Honestly I thought Horford looked way better last year than he did with the 76ers, he looked much more like the guy we saw in Boston. He just had a lot of rest time
As far as turnover goes they had 17 guys suit up for the 2018/2019 team and 9 of them didn’t return the following season. I think you will see something similar. Maybe not quite 8 or 9 but I could see 6-7 spots turned over
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Post by texs31 on Jun 2, 2021 8:39:52 GMT -5
Woj reporting that Ainge is seriously considering leaving.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 2, 2021 9:14:26 GMT -5
Woj reporting that Ainge is seriously considering leaving. I like Danny more than many, but I'm also ready for Zarren time. I think a little bit of freshness might help right now. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 2, 2021 9:20:14 GMT -5
Shams saying it's Stevens who is transitioning to Head of Ops.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 2, 2021 9:33:50 GMT -5
Shams saying it's Stevens who is transitioning to Head of Ops. And coach? |
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2021 9:34:22 GMT -5
Shams saying it's Stevens who is transitioning to Head of Ops. Kind of shocking—Danny planning to resign and Brad moving into the front office and leading the search for a new head coach. Wow. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 2, 2021 9:35:19 GMT -5
Cool, let’s give an inexperienced guy the keys in what looks to be a monumental offseason for the organization.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2021 9:38:17 GMT -5
If I’m Mike Zarren, I’m pretty pissed about this turn of events.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 2, 2021 9:39:28 GMT -5
I guess the "Danny and Brad need to go" crowd were on the same page with... Danny and Brad!
The Zarren era was fast. This is insane! I hope Stevens is up for it; he's obviously not the first to make the switch but he has so little NBA history.
Anyone know much about the current staff and see if there is an in-house successor? I honestly couldn't name a single assistant coach except Evan Turner. Who I guess isn't a coach? I looked it up and saw Jay Larranaga as a name I've recognized, maybe from Summer League HC?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 2, 2021 9:47:35 GMT -5
Here’s my thing..... what I’ve really liked about Danny was his approach of making moves to go for it without giving up the longterm. My biggest fear is someone comes in here and feels they need to sell everything around Tatum to make sure they win in the next 2 years then come up short or do it with an old team so Tatum is out the door and you have nothing 4 years from now.
I also despise the way this LeBron way of building super teams has evolved. Everyone says it started with the Celtics and the Allen and KG traded but that was different than now. Pierce was a Celtic, Rondo and Perk were drafted here etc... Joe Harris is the only Net that’s been there more than this season and last. The Lakers last year, none of those guys were Lakers but Kuzma... heck, at least the LeBron Heat teams had Wade.
I don’t want that for the Celtics. I’d rather be like Portland, Utah, Milwaukee and Denver where my team contends, has its ups and downs but it’s a real freaking team.
I’m not saying don’t make moves, they tried the short term stuff (IT, Horford, Hayward, Kyrie, walker) for various reasons (mainly injuries) it didn’t come together, but they preserved the youth movement and I really feel it’s time to embrace it. It could take a couple years before Tatum, Brown, RobWill, Nesmith and maybe Langford are ready to win a Title. Notice i left out Marcus, I’m ok with trading him for a good veteran piece, ideally a big, who can help them possibly win sooner. If they sell out due to pressure to win sooner, it may drive the nail in the coffin of my NBA love.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 2, 2021 9:50:13 GMT -5
Neither are exciting to me.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2021 9:55:44 GMT -5
Neither are exciting to me. This feels like a “these guys are my friends so I’ll do them a favor by floating their names out there” kind of tweet. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 2, 2021 10:16:07 GMT -5
Humble move by Brad. He knows these guys need a little more fear and respect from the coach.
Brutal that we missed Darryl by a year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 2, 2021 10:16:08 GMT -5
I do think they should hire a black head coach and I hate playing the race card. However, in this case, there’s no reason you can’t find a good black head coach and I think it will be beneficial.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 10:18:55 GMT -5
This feels like a bad dream! Maybe I'm overreacting and Steven's will be the next Danny, yet I don't think that's the case given the way he coached.
I'm scared as hell right now, the most important offseason in years and it's going to be Steven's in charge? The guy who was the ultimate players coach?
I trusted Danny 100%, he had a bad off-season, yet I 100% trusted him to fix it. This is either brilliant or it's going to destroy everything.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 10:23:50 GMT -5
Humble move by Brad. He knows these guys need a little more fear and respect from the coach. Brutal that we missed Darryl by a year. You mean lucky? He's the DD of Basketball GMs, heck that might be giving DD a bad name frankly. Sorry I can't overlook his Paul for Westbrook for Wall crap, his trading Capela. Him thinking Tucker could play center. He makes too many trades, he'd do what RJP is afraid of. |
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Post by ianrs on Jun 2, 2021 10:24:39 GMT -5
Wait, I have so many mixed emotions, man.
Danny gone is good, but putting Brad in a basketball ops position over Zarren? Who coaches? This could get messy fast...
At the same time, change was definitely needed and my gut tells me Zarren will still be heavily involved in decision-making, assuming he isn't ticked off enough to leave.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 2, 2021 10:43:03 GMT -5
I really hope a follow-up comes out about Zarren being GM even with Stevens as Pres of Basketball Ops.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 2, 2021 10:44:53 GMT -5
Humble move by Brad. He knows these guys need a little more fear and respect from the coach. Brutal that we missed Darryl by a year. You mean lucky? He's the DD of Basketball GMs, heck that might be giving DD a bad name frankly. Sorry I can't overlook his Paul for Westbrook for Wall crap, his trading Capela. Him thinking Tucker could play center. He makes too many trades, he'd do what RJP is afraid of. You have to think the Westbrook move wasn’t made by the most analytically minded gm in the history of the game. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 2, 2021 10:47:51 GMT -5
Losing Danny is a brutal loss. He was a great evaluator of talent.
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Post by bcsox on Jun 2, 2021 10:48:48 GMT -5
my .02 on this is that Brad's stay in the front office will be very temporary. I expect him to be on a new times sideline as coach before next season starts. Not sure if it will be college or NBA, but I would not be surprised if he gets multiple inquiries and offers from NBA teams almost immediately. If it's an NBA team., then the Celts will ask for compensation. To me, Brad is a coach. But he knows he cant be this teams coach anymore. There was a breakdown somewhere this year, my guess between Brad and either Tatum or Brown. It couldnt be repaired, and Tatum or Brown arent going anywhere, so it had to be Brad. I think moving him to GM will be a short stay, allows everybody to save face while they reconstruct and Brad will go back to a sideline sometime in the fall.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 10:54:58 GMT -5
I’m intrigued
Offseason just got quite a bit more interesting
I think Stevens could conceivably be even better in this role. He could also crash and burn.
Will be must see TV. Last time he had full control of an org he had them competing with elite college basketball teams. This is very different obviously but A lot of those skills he has will transfer over (very analytical, thoughtful, good people person)
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