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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 15:44:18 GMT -5
Speaking of Devers did anybody see the article Tomase (I know) had? Basically it's showing that he's struggling badly against fastballs but is hammering offspeed and breaking pitches. Devers is having trouble catching up to fastballs and the Astros have exploited that with the high fastballs they're throwing against him. It's something to keep an eye on. I hope people caught on around the 30th straight fastball
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2021 15:46:38 GMT -5
Speaking of Devers did anybody see the article Tomase (I know) had? Basically it's showing that he's struggling badly against fastballs but is hammering offspeed and breaking pitches. Devers is having trouble catching up to fastballs and the Astros have exploited that with the high fastballs they're throwing against him. It's something to keep an eye on. I hope people caught on around the 30th straight fastball I didn't, but then again I'm not usually that astute. Of course the Astros apparently noticed and are exploiting it.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 2, 2021 15:55:58 GMT -5
I think Bogaerts, who looks great defensively this year, will be playing SS in 2023, either for us or for someone else. His move to 3b will come only later, and it will come when he is on a long-term contract with no opt-outs. Or maybe it never comes. Jeter is his role model. If you move Devers to DH in 2023 he will be playing 3b somewhere else in 2024. Can't say I disagree with your assessment. I think Bogaerts is probably less willing to move off of SS than Devers would be to moving off of 3b to DH. Devers is the guy who says he loves to play baseball, make money, and hit home runs. Don't recall him saying he wanted to be a gold glover. [...] Some good comments. Nobody loves anything as much as Devers loves hitting, but he also seems to love playing defense, especially when (as often but not always) he is going well. Seem to love playing "SS" in an extreme shift, and is always eager to range far, sometimes too far.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 15:58:06 GMT -5
I hope people caught on around the 30th straight fastball I didn't, but then again I'm not usually that astute. Of course the Astros apparently noticed and are exploiting it. Your takes say differently, I think you’re quite astute It’s really strange how some teams have opted to take advantage of it and some haven’t Division is starting to figure things out it would appear. All Devers needs to do is ambush a few and he’ll be getting the 82 MPH slop he craves. I know he can do it, he just needs to make an adjustment
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2021 16:06:42 GMT -5
If this is going to be a playoff team, this WAR per position is unsustainable. Unless of course we can pick up three #1 starters who go 7+ innings per game. Need to bring up the double digits on at least two if not three of these: I've always thought that that's almost what you want out of a contending team heading into trade season. Easier to upgrade a team with a few studs and a few zeros than a team with a bunch of above-average guys. A Starling Marte or a Carlos Santana or a C.J. Cron would be a bigger upgrade than usual given the weak spots on the roster.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2021 16:09:38 GMT -5
I didn't, but then again I'm not usually that astute. Of course the Astros apparently noticed and are exploiting it. Your takes say differently, I think you’re quite astute It’s really strange how some teams have opted to take advantage of it and some haven’t Division is starting to figure things out it would appear. All Devers needs to do is ambush a few and he’ll be getting the 82 MPH slop he craves. I know he can do it, he just needs to make an adjustment Thanks. I read John Tomase's article (yeah, I'm the one - lol). He mentioned that Michael Chavis had a nice little debut going in 2019 (I do remember that), and then he went to play the Astros and they exploited him with those high fastballs and the rest of the league caught on and Chavis was never the same again. That doesn't mean that Devers will never hit the fastball again. I think he's a lot more likely to adjust than Chavis, but it does bear watching. I mean the image of Devers and fastballs is Devers teeing off on Chapman's 103 MPH fastball, so I had no idea he struggled that much against good fastballs. I normally don't notice these kinds of things. I mean, I noticed that JDM sometimes goes fishing for outside sliders but really as somebody who was never really good enough to play I'm not particularly good at noticing pitch sequencing, etc. Hopefully Devers adjusts and soon or teams could start really going after him with fastballs until he shows he can either hit them (if they're not too high) or lay off them.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 2, 2021 16:15:21 GMT -5
If a GM, I would occasionally get something right. Trading Vasquez last year would have been one of them. Am I in the minority for wanting to trade Vasquez over Benintendi? Both age, and selling high on V/low on B, tell me Vasquez should be the trade chip.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 2, 2021 16:38:43 GMT -5
If a GM, I would occasionally get something right. Trading Vasquez last year would have been one of them. Am I in the minority for wanting to trade Vasquez over Benintendi? Both age, and selling high on V/low on B, tell me Vasquez should be the trade chip. While it was painted as the Red Sox exploring every option and needing a "haul" for Vazquez last summer and this winter, I'm willing to bet they were looking for something decent and there was just nothing out there. He outperformed his metrics in 2019 and 2020, popup home runs inflating his numbers, and I'm guessing that just wasn't interesting to teams.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2021 17:47:52 GMT -5
If this is going to be a playoff team, this WAR per position is unsustainable. Unless of course we can pick up three #1 starters who go 7+ innings per game. Need to bring up the double digits on at least two if not three of these: I've always thought that that's almost what you want out of a contending team heading into trade season. Easier to upgrade a team with a few studs and a few zeros than a team with a bunch of above-average guys. A Starling Marte or a Carlos Santana or a C.J. Cron would be a bigger upgrade than usual given the weak spots on the roster. Marte would be absolutely energizing for this team and make a dramatic impact…As long as Cora doesn’t keep giving Kiké more at bats than the actual hitters on the team. Really, if the Manager thinks he’s a sparkplug move him to the 9 hole and let him be a “second leadoff hitter” as is occassionally said about that batter in some systems - and I think was said about JBJ whenever he got on a hot streak.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 2, 2021 17:52:13 GMT -5
If this is going to be a playoff team, this WAR per position is unsustainable. Unless of course we can pick up three #1 starters who go 7+ innings per game. Need to bring up the double digits on at least two if not three of these: They're top-6 at 4 positions, including 1st at DH (which the tweet leaves off), top-10 in relief pitching, just outside the top ten at CF and SP, only in the bottom half at C, 1B, and 2B, and only really bad at 1B.
Seems pretty good to me!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 2, 2021 19:23:28 GMT -5
Do some serious damage dalbec please
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Post by jkfer98 on Jun 2, 2021 19:23:47 GMT -5
Nice rally, absolutely needed to get something early
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2021 19:27:28 GMT -5
Squander.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 2, 2021 19:28:01 GMT -5
Probably will cost them later in the game.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2021 19:39:04 GMT -5
Probably will cost them later in the game. Or, say, the bottom of the inning.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 2, 2021 19:41:55 GMT -5
Pivetta at 22 pitches and has not recorded an out😞
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Post by manfred on Jun 2, 2021 19:42:39 GMT -5
Ah. 23 pitches per out should get Pivetta deep into the 2nd.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 2, 2021 19:48:12 GMT -5
As much fun as this team is this year, they just don't seem real contenders to me. Erod, eovaldi, richards, perez and pivetta just isn't gonna get it done in the playoffs. Maybe can add in sale who at 70 percent of his old self would be a solid upgrade they still need at least one more really good arm in the rotation to reach the level of real contender.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 2, 2021 19:51:39 GMT -5
Wow, Astros squander. That's gonna come back to bite them. Not what a real contender does in that situation...
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 2, 2021 19:54:46 GMT -5
67 pictures in the 1st inning.... at this rate the game will take over 5 hours....
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Post by jdb on Jun 2, 2021 19:57:25 GMT -5
As much fun as this team is this year, they just don't seem real contenders to me. Erod, eovaldi, richards, perez and pivetta just isn't gonna get it done in the playoffs. Maybe can add in sale who at 70 percent of his old self would be a solid upgrade they still need at least one more really good arm in the rotation to reach the level of real contender. These next two months up to the deadline will tell us if we are good or not.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2021 19:59:55 GMT -5
If this is going to be a playoff team, this WAR per position is unsustainable. Unless of course we can pick up three #1 starters who go 7+ innings per game. Need to bring up the double digits on at least two if not three of these: They're top-6 at 4 positions, including 1st at DH (which the tweet leaves off), top-10 in relief pitching, just outside the top ten at CF and SP, only in the bottom half at C, 1B, and 2B, and only really bad at 1B. Seems pretty good to me!
Pretty good won’t get it done.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 2, 2021 20:01:46 GMT -5
As much fun as this team is this year, they just don't seem real contenders to me. Erod, eovaldi, richards, perez and pivetta just isn't gonna get it done in the playoffs. Maybe can add in sale who at 70 percent of his old self would be a solid upgrade they still need at least one more really good arm in the rotation to reach the level of real contender. These next two months up to the deadline will tell us if we are good or not. Lots of games to play until the deadline and I do think this team is a playoff contender I won't say they aren't but world series contender is hard to see unless they add a lot at deadline. I think I'd rather see them just stay under the tax this year and roll with what they have. Maybe add a cheap player or two that won't put them over tax.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 2, 2021 20:23:34 GMT -5
I do see the team as a contender - playoffs, not necessarily for taking the whole thing. I feel better about the pitching than the hitting - particularly the big hole in the line up, and overreliance of the top bats. I think that the team is entertaining, likeable - but they need to be smarter about their hitting approach with men on base. I'm enjoying the season so far, despite the inevitable and occasional frustrations!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 2, 2021 20:37:06 GMT -5
This game is the epitome of the problems in baseball. If they wanted a game to highlight, this is the one.
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