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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 13, 2021 12:42:50 GMT -5
Why do I feel like weâre going to see if Kiké can pitch today?
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Post by unitspin on Jun 13, 2021 12:45:32 GMT -5
And we are only a quarter of the way through the two month gauntlet.
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 13, 2021 12:59:00 GMT -5
The pitching staff is starting to look like everyone thought they’d look before the season started. Are we looking at second time through blues, or a true regression? Coincidence or does It just happen to coincide with MLB's recent crack down on pitchers using foreign substances? Would be interested if anyone has the spin rate data for the last few times thru the rotation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 13, 2021 13:07:57 GMT -5
Didn’t you dismiss WAR above? Only because it was used to suggest that Mookie’s actually been fantastic this year when all he’s really done is walk a lot and play great defense. You read something into my post that wasn't there then. When I post a sentence, there's no need to read into anything past the single sentence.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 13, 2021 13:08:55 GMT -5
The pitching staff is starting to look like everyone thought they’d look before the season started. Are we looking at second time through blues, or a true regression? Coincidence or does It just happen to coincide with MLB's recent crack down on pitchers using foreign substances? Would be interested if anyone has the spin rate data for the last few times thru the rotation. Baseball Savant has that stuff. Just looked at Perez and his last start was normal.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jun 13, 2021 13:11:21 GMT -5
How many AB’s does Santana get before the Sox move on from him?
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Post by fanofredsox on Jun 13, 2021 13:12:57 GMT -5
Only because it was used to suggest that Mookie’s actually been fantastic this year when all he’s really done is walk a lot and play great defense. You read something into my post that wasn't there then. When I post a sentence, there's no need to read into anything past the single sentence.Common practice on this site
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Post by fanofredsox on Jun 13, 2021 13:19:07 GMT -5
Wow!
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Post by manfred on Jun 13, 2021 13:20:27 GMT -5
Thank god for Chatwood. He personally salvaged what could otherwise be a brutal series.
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Post by cheers on Jun 13, 2021 13:20:43 GMT -5
Good day for yard chores...
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Post by unitspin on Jun 13, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5
You read something into my post that wasn't there then. When I post a sentence, there's no need to read into anything past the single sentence.Common practice on this site O ya it is or when someone is dead wrong about a take so they change it to add 4 more pieces into the mix to save face. Like franchy turned out to be a zero but we got hunter and Kiké bcs of trading him. So now Benny needs a 7+war a yr for the next two yrs to win the trade. All the while KC is laughing to the bank.
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 13, 2021 13:25:43 GMT -5
They DFA’d Brennan for Ryan Weber? eh Today’s exactly why they did this - they just need someone to eat innings with all these terrible starts. The consequence of bad starting pitching! LOL because THAT worked out so well. And we risk losing a player too. If nothing else..... it was crappy guy to bring up because he’s not going to get you many innings beyond the cluster your starter was.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 13, 2021 13:30:36 GMT -5
How do I find spin rate game logs? I've seen people post charts before, but can't find any way to do this on Baseball Savant
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2021 13:34:48 GMT -5
I think we're learning that this rotation was a mirage created by the doctoring of baseballs. It seems that since they started enforcing the policy, this rotation took a nose dive. I really hope I'm wrong and it's all SSS, but this is quickly becoming more and more alarming.
Also, Ryan Weber has no use to this club. He's perfect for a team trying to get a top 5 draft pick.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2021 13:42:27 GMT -5
Common practice on this site O ya it is or when someone is dead wrong about a take so they change it to add 4 more pieces into the mix to save face. Like franchy turned out to be a zero but we got hunter and Kiké bcs of trading him. So now Benny needs a 7+war a yr for the next two yrs to win the trade. All the while KC is laughing to the bank. Benintendi has a .760 OPS. He's an average starter. The Red Sox got some lottery tickets for a guy who changed his approach and body build against the Red Sox wishes, according to the team, and could have ranged wildly from super star to AAAA player. Could the Red Sox use him? Yes. How many more wins do we think this team has as a result of keeping him, 1? They need to call up Duran because I believe he's capable of a .750 OPS right now. The team can have Mike Trout instead of Kiké and Marwin, but Mike Trout isn't saving the Red Sox from 9-1, 7-2, 8-3, and 7-1.
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Post by jmei on Jun 13, 2021 13:46:12 GMT -5
I know Weber is in there basically exclusively to eat innings. But they have to pull him soon. This can’t be good for his physical or mental health.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 13, 2021 13:50:40 GMT -5
Wonder if Weber clears after today?
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Post by worldbfree on Jun 13, 2021 13:51:41 GMT -5
O ya it is or when someone is dead wrong about a take so they change it to add 4 more pieces into the mix to save face. Like franchy turned out to be a zero but we got hunter and Kiké bcs of trading him. So now Benny needs a 7+war a yr for the next two yrs to win the trade. All the while KC is laughing to the bank. Benintendi has a .760 OPS. He's an average starter. The Red Sox got some lottery tickets for a guy who changed his approach and body build against the Red Sox wishes, according to the team, and could have ranged wildly from super star to AAAA player. Could the Red Sox use him? Yes. How many more wins do we think this team has as a result of keeping him, 1? They need to call up Duran because I believe he's capable of a .750 OPS right now. The team can have Mike Trout instead of Kiké and Marwin, but Mike Trout isn't saving the Red Sox from 9-1, 7-2, 8-3, and 7-1. I bet he would be worth more than one win. Anyway it doesn’t matter because the team wanted to avoid the additional tax. The moves this off season reflected that idea. I am only interested in how management will treat the payroll going forward.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 13, 2021 13:52:25 GMT -5
Our poor run differential.
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Post by patford on Jun 13, 2021 13:53:00 GMT -5
On the bright side the Yankees are down 5-0. I suspect we will see Dalbec pitch. That might be interesting. And if this weird thing where the starters get blown up in the 1st inning continues we can all relax and revert to looking at this as a bridge year. Maybe stay with Dalbec. Bring Franchy back up. Trade some pieces for prospects.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 13, 2021 13:59:41 GMT -5
Weber just as fabulous as I remember him.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 13, 2021 14:03:33 GMT -5
Uncle!
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 13, 2021 14:11:07 GMT -5
I think we're learning that this rotation was a mirage created by the doctoring of baseballs. It seems that since they started enforcing the policy, this rotation took a nose dive. I really hope I'm wrong and it's all SSS, but this is quickly becoming more and more alarming. It's plausible that recent poor pitching coincided with them no longer cheating in anticipation of the upcoming rules enforcement. Even if that were the case though, you wouldn't expect the effect size to be THIS big. Part of it is just a small sample fluke either way.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 13, 2021 14:14:38 GMT -5
The pitching staff is starting to look like everyone thought they’d look before the season started. Are we looking at second time through blues, or a true regression? Coincidence or does It just happen to coincide with MLB's recent crack down on pitchers using foreign substances? Would be interested if anyone has the spin rate data for the last few times thru the rotation. If it's spin rates I think Baseball Savant has that.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 13, 2021 14:15:47 GMT -5
I know Weber is in there basically exclusively to eat innings. But they have to pull him soon. This can’t be good for his physical or mental health. Seems like the innings have been eating him throughout his Red Sox career. He should really go to Japan, make some cash and enjoy it.
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