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6/22-6/24 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by cheers on Jun 22, 2021 22:34:16 GMT -5
Young Darwinzon throwing strikes. I like it. Great (if not really ugly) win!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 22, 2021 22:35:15 GMT -5
Well, we've not exactly doing it with mirrors, but to have a 1.5 game lead with the obvious flaws showing themselves at the moment is pretty great. Hoping that Cora takes a good hard look at a few things that need to really be cleaned up so we can keep and enlarge the lead. Santana - time to say goodbye. Clean up the infield D and the baserunning. Hopefully the starters have some bad stuff out of their system. Got to feel pretty good about where we are in the standings...and the core of our offense is strong.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 22, 2021 22:36:30 GMT -5
A lot not to like about this big W, but big props to Renfroe, clutch hit from X and some classy relief from Ottavino/Barnes.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 22, 2021 22:38:26 GMT -5
Always better to win ugly than lose ugly. Geez that was awful. Makes up for the weekend with the MFYs losing to KC.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 22, 2021 22:45:56 GMT -5
That squander on 2nd and 3rd with no outs was so bad I can’t even watch the replay even knowing we won.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2021 22:49:28 GMT -5
Wow. This is stunning.
I gave up after the Sox squandered the 2nd and 3rd no out situation in the 10th. I figured if they couldn't score in that circumstance, they'd give up the winning run in the last of the 10th and I didn't think the Sox had any pitcher(s) left that could get 6 outs so I gave up. I was too aggravated.
I found something else to do for an hour and then came back to this chatboard and am stunned to see that the Sox despite playing like absolute crap, freaking won the game??!!
I guess we can chalk this up as yet another game the Sox won that in other years they flat out don't.
From what I saw the first 9.5 innings, E-Rod was pitching pretty well until he gave up the big HR. It's frustrating. It's hard to see them going far in the playoffs or even beyond a Wild Card game when you don't have any starters you can truly rely on. E-Rod should be a lot better than he has been. There's a huge difference between his FIP and ERA - you'd think something would have to give sooner or later.
Wander Franco - well it's a matter of time before this kid is up there with Trout, Vlad Jr, Soto, and Acunas for the conversation of best player in the game (Ohtani should get a mention as well). That was the first of many HRs for him to hit. My 8 year old will graduate college and this kid will be cranking HRs.
Hunter Renfroe continues to impress. Really hard to get Franchy ABs when Renfroe continues to contribute each day, but that said, they've gotta get Duran up and into the leadoff spot. And once Arroyo is ready to come back, they've got to relegate Hernandez, Gonzalez, and Santana (if he's still here) to bench duty.
And yeah, I still think they'll need a LH bat to play 1b. Dalbec has his moments, but I think it's really hard to rely on him going forward. I'm not saying pull the plug, but I'm not convinced with him yet either.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 22, 2021 23:01:56 GMT -5
It is hard to know why the Sox are still in first - bad stretch of starting pitching, questionable bridge to Barnes, but worse, iffy infield defense, no leadoff hitter, undisciplined at bats. But somehow we keep winning enough. That can't continue - we need to take this game (somehow, despite the spectacular squander) - and some things have to change going forward. Because they've won more games than the other teams?? So much negativity, people. It's baseball. You've got to go with the flow!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 22, 2021 23:07:58 GMT -5
It is hard to know why the Sox are still in first - bad stretch of starting pitching, questionable bridge to Barnes, but worse, iffy infield defense, no leadoff hitter, undisciplined at bats. But somehow we keep winning enough. That can't continue - we need to take this game (somehow, despite the spectacular squander) - and some things have to change going forward. Because they've won more games than the other teams?? So much negativity, people. It's baseball. You've got to go with the flow! It's a game thread, Oregon - you have to go with the passion and emotion!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 22, 2021 23:09:58 GMT -5
Wong with the winning run He's a phenom
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 22, 2021 23:18:04 GMT -5
Wow. This is stunning. I gave up after the Sox squandered the 2nd and 3rd no out situation in the 10th. I figured if they couldn't score in that circumstance, they'd give up the winning run in the last of the 10th and I didn't think the Sox had any pitcher(s) left that could get 6 outs so I gave up. I was too aggravated. I found something else to do for an hour and then came back to this chatboard and am stunned to see that the Sox despite playing like absolute crap, freaking won the game??!! I guess we can chalk this up as yet another game the Sox won that in other years they flat out don't. From what I saw the first 9.5 innings, E-Rod was pitching pretty well until he gave up the big HR. It's frustrating. It's hard to see them going far in the playoffs or even beyond a Wild Card game when you don't have any starters you can truly rely on. E-Rod should be a lot better than he has been. There's a huge difference between his FIP and ERA - you'd think something would have to give sooner or later. Wander Franco - well it's a matter of time before this kid is up there with Trout, Vlad Jr, Soto, and Acunas for the conversation of best player in the game (Ohtani should get a mention as well). That was the first of many HRs for him to hit. My 8 year old will graduate college and this kid will be cranking HRs. Hunter Renfroe continues to impress. Really hard to get Franchy ABs when Renfroe continues to contribute each day, but that said, they've gotta get Duran up and into the leadoff spot. And once Arroyo is ready to come back, they've got to relegate Hernandez, Gonzalez, and Santana (if he's still here) to bench duty. And yeah, I still think they'll need a LH bat to play 1b. Dalbec has his moments, but I think it's really hard to rely on him going forward. I'm not saying pull the plug, but I'm not convinced with him yet either. This team will never be confused with a great team. I'm just happy at this point that it is competing and pushing for the post-season. For this team it's not always going to be pretty. Rest assured our roster will be altered somewhat between now and the end of the season. We've been fortunate so far with injuries, hopefully that luck will continue. Right now we've banked 44 wins after 73 games. 46-43 the rest of the way gets us to 90 wins, which should get us close. The baseball gods have been smiling on Cora's 9 for the better part of 3 months. Can it continue? We'll just have to continue tuning in to find out and roll with the good, the bad, and the ugly.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 22, 2021 23:33:51 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2021 23:44:57 GMT -5
Wow. This is stunning. I gave up after the Sox squandered the 2nd and 3rd no out situation in the 10th. I figured if they couldn't score in that circumstance, they'd give up the winning run in the last of the 10th and I didn't think the Sox had any pitcher(s) left that could get 6 outs so I gave up. I was too aggravated. I found something else to do for an hour and then came back to this chatboard and am stunned to see that the Sox despite playing like absolute crap, freaking won the game??!! I guess we can chalk this up as yet another game the Sox won that in other years they flat out don't. From what I saw the first 9.5 innings, E-Rod was pitching pretty well until he gave up the big HR. It's frustrating. It's hard to see them going far in the playoffs or even beyond a Wild Card game when you don't have any starters you can truly rely on. E-Rod should be a lot better than he has been. There's a huge difference between his FIP and ERA - you'd think something would have to give sooner or later. Wander Franco - well it's a matter of time before this kid is up there with Trout, Vlad Jr, Soto, and Acunas for the conversation of best player in the game (Ohtani should get a mention as well). That was the first of many HRs for him to hit. My 8 year old will graduate college and this kid will be cranking HRs. Hunter Renfroe continues to impress. Really hard to get Franchy ABs when Renfroe continues to contribute each day, but that said, they've gotta get Duran up and into the leadoff spot. And once Arroyo is ready to come back, they've got to relegate Hernandez, Gonzalez, and Santana (if he's still here) to bench duty. And yeah, I still think they'll need a LH bat to play 1b. Dalbec has his moments, but I think it's really hard to rely on him going forward. I'm not saying pull the plug, but I'm not convinced with him yet either. This team will never be confused with a great team. I'm just happy at this point that it is competing and pushing for the post-season. For this team it's not always going to be pretty. Rest assured our roster will be altered somewhat between now and the end of the season. We've been fortunate so far with injuries, hopefully that luck will continue. Right now we've banked 44 wins after 73 games. 46-43 the rest of the way gets us to 90 wins, which should get us close. The baseball gods have been smiling on Cora's 9 for the better part of 3 months. Can it continue? We'll just have to continue tuning in to find out and roll with the good, the bad, and the ugly. Yeah, they're winning games you wouldn't think they would. The Sox have had their issues on defense and starting pitching and lack of offensive execution at times, but opponents have had ill timed miscues as well. TB's base running was costly at times. Acunas ran into a huge out in Atlanta in that last game. I try to roll with things, but I think we've passed the stage of "Gee, this team is better than the .500 club I thought they'd be" or "at least they're entertaining". Nope the stakes are getting higher now. Now it's more painful when they lose and more exhilarating when they win. Today I had to step away. Gave them better luck for me not to be watching. As it was I just found out Sawamura pitched the 10th effectively. I didn't realize that E-Rod pitched the 6th inning. Saw Sawamura warming up in the 5th and assumed they used him for the 6th. It was garbage night so I missed the 6th when I was taking out the garbage. Didn't realize the Sox still had Sawamura available. This team reminds me of those flawed 1988/1990 and 1998/1999 teams that made the playoffs but with better karma. Honestly, there's only one team that scares the hell out of me. I would have said the White Sox should be the best team in the AL, but between injuries and Tony LaRussa, I'd have to go with the Astros instead. That team can hit and they can pitch. I said it was just a matter of time before they caught Oakland and they have and now have the best record in the league and I would anticipate they get even better. I would say Houston is the class of the league. Every other team is beatable. I keep hoping that somehow Chris Sale becomes the ace, Tanner Houck comes up and dominates, Connor Seabold contributes and Whitlock grabs a rotation spot as the Sox acquire another reliever for the pen to take his place. I also imagine that Duran becomes the badly needed leadoff guy. But the only realistic scenario is Duran, and he could struggle just as easily. Not fair to count on Sale. And I don't know how long they stick with E-Rod, Richards, etc if they continue to pitch as they have this month. I mean the Sox have given up a ton of runs and somehow managed to win more than they've lost which is kind of miraculous.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 22, 2021 23:49:41 GMT -5
Who’s this guy you’re talking about.... there’s a big prospect coming up to play in the Tampa series today... Connor Wong era starts now It is possible the Connor Wong era will run the length of a Plawecki IL visit. This *might* check out. Connor Wong scores the winning run. Off to a hot start! Whatever the other guy did, wasn’t enough for his team to win the game.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 22, 2021 23:50:40 GMT -5
Hoping that Cora takes a good hard look at a few things that need to really be cleaned up so we can keep and enlarge the lead. Bro I don't think there's a single manager in the league who's maximizing his talent as much as Cora is. Maybe Kapler, but the Red Sox don't have that pitching. Enjoy the ride because by talent level alone we should not be nearly as good as we are.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 22, 2021 23:58:42 GMT -5
Because they've won more games than the other teams?? So much negativity, people. It's baseball. You've got to go with the flow! It's a game thread, Oregon - you have to go with the passion and emotion! To be clear, they score a lot of runs and the bullpen has been outstanding. And while the starting pitching has been spotty, it's infinitely better than last year's stiff-staff. So the idea that the team's position in the standings is a mystery doesn't hold a lot of water for me. Add: That bridge to Barnes has been a multi-lane highway: Whitlock, Ottovino, Taylor, Hernandez, even Sawamura... they've all been effective for a while now. Facts please.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2021 0:43:30 GMT -5
Franco this year AAA 39 games 162 ABs .315 AVE/. 367 OBP/ .586 SLG/ .954 OPS 51 hits 7 HRs 12 BB 21 Ks 0 SBs also has a total 829 Minor League ABS
Duran this year AAA (Duran lost two weeks to Team USA) 32 games 130 ABs .285 AVE/ .373 OBP/ .615 SLG/ .989 OPS 37 hits 12 HRs 16 BB 35 Ks 7 SBs. also has a total of 932 Minor League ABS
Tampa not sweating the Super 2 status of their 20 year-old phenom.
Sox, if that’s what their waiting on for their 24 year-old phenom, are being penny-wise and pound straight-up stupid.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 23, 2021 1:36:16 GMT -5
It's a game thread, Oregon - you have to go with the passion and emotion! To be clear, they score a lot of runs and the bullpen has been outstanding. And while the starting pitching has been spotty, it's infinitely better than last year's stiff-staff. So the idea that the team's position in the standings is a mystery doesn't hold a lot of water for me. Add: That bridge to Barnes has been a multi-lane highway: Whitlock, Ottovino, Taylor, Hernandez, even Sawamura... they've all been effective for a while now. Facts please. Rays are 15-5 in blowouts, we're 11-8. That's a 3.5 G edge for them.
They are 18-7 in non-blowout games won in in 9 innings or less, by more than 1 run. We are 19-14. That's a 3 G edge for them.
== enter the bullpens == *
They are 7-10 in 1-run games in regulation and we are 10-5. That's a 4 G edge for us.
They are 1-3 in 1-run extra inning games and we are 2-1. That's a 1.5 G edge for us.
They are 2-6 in other extra inning games and we are 2-1. That's a 2.5 G edge for us.
So ... in 1-run and extra inning games, we are 14-7 and they are 10-19.
* And clutch hitting
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 23, 2021 2:34:58 GMT -5
Reconstructing E-Rod's game using Statcast probabilities ...
Walks Franco in the first. 1-2-3 in the second. (Yeah, he got 6 Statcast out in the first inning.)
Yields a 2-out 2B to Diaz in the third but gets Franco on an easy fly ball. (No credit for Diaz's actual stupidity!)
1-2-3 in the 4th, fanning Arozarena and Margot.
Gives up a leadoff single to Mejia in the 5th, then hits Kiermaier with 2 outs. Diaz grounds a 1B to RF; they hold Mejia at 3rd. He gets gets Franco on a routine deep fly ball (95.5, .230 xBA). Two 1-2-3 innings.
Final line 7 3 0 0 1 7, HBP.
That might be more important than the win.
(There's an alternate way of distributing the 3 expected hits allowed where the 3rd hit is not Diaz's single in the 5th (97.6, .260 xBA), but Mejia's infield single in the 2nd (66.6, but .300). In that reconstruction, Diaz's 2B -- the only ball E-Rod gave up with > .500 xBA, and only .610 at that -- comes with 1 out, he's the only baserunner to get into scoring position, and there's no 5th inning jam at all.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 23, 2021 2:38:22 GMT -5
Great win! Just catching up from Iceland!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 23, 2021 2:49:44 GMT -5
Franco this year AAA 39 games 162 ABs .315 AVE/. 367 OBP/ .586 SLG/ .954 OPS 51 hits 7 HRs 12 BB 21 Ks 0 SBs also has a total 829 Minor League ABS Duran this year AAA (Duran lost two weeks to Team USA) 32 games 130 ABs .285 AVE/ .373 OBP/ .615 SLG/ .989 OPS 37 hits 12 HRs 16 BB 35 Ks 7 SBs. also has a total of 932 Minor League ABS Tampa not sweating the Super 2 status of their 20 year-old phenom. Sox, if that’s what their waiting on for their 24 year-old phenom, are being penny-wise and pound straight-up stupid. Super 2 is pretty much past. Franco is the number 1 prospect in baseball, a likely future star and he won't be super 2. Right now, we're too crowded with people that need to be moved. That's what's holding Duran now, super 2 is no longer an issue.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 23, 2021 4:29:56 GMT -5
I hear what guidas is saying but I don't think you can compare Duran to the literal number prospect in baseball who is quite obviously an absolute phenom and on his way to being a perennial all-star.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 23, 2021 5:11:39 GMT -5
One more point on bringing up Duran and or giving Franchy a 2nd shot. The Sox have an obvious hole in the lead off spot and 3rd OF production that needs to be filled sooner rather than later. Don't we need to see before the deadline whether or not they can fill that hole inhouse? I would think the Sox would want to exhaust the inhouse options before looking outside the organization. I just feel like they need to see what they have if they are going to maximize the opportunity this year presents.
Could they see something in Durans approach that they feel might be a problem at the ML level?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 23, 2021 6:07:12 GMT -5
Wong with the winning run He's a phenom Get his card NOW!...Retire early!
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Post by jimoh on Jun 23, 2021 6:30:09 GMT -5
Wong with the winning run He's a phenom Get his card NOW!...Retire early! His runs per PA stats are off the chart!
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 23, 2021 7:59:39 GMT -5
I wonder what the Sox do with Erod. So far do you just qualify him or try to get him to sign a discount. I really starting to feel this might be his last year here.
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