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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 27, 2021 23:38:29 GMT -5
It reads like this one did last year...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 28, 2021 6:14:01 GMT -5
“The Red Sox should send Cashman a gift box for Ottavino and Whitlock. Maybe he can share it with Hal.” “For some reason, the baseball Gods are trying to humiliate the Yankees.” Lol
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Post by patford on Jun 28, 2021 6:53:27 GMT -5
The major thing I noticed was Rodriguez was getting the calls on the black which he has not been getting all year. There is no way to calculate how huge that one factor is. Incredible it came against the Yankees. Maybe there are a couple of umpires in the league who didn't grow up Yankee fans or who have gotten to a point where the arrogance of the Yankee hitters rubs them the wrong way. Is it part of Yankee organizational coaching that all players must carry themselves like entitled jerks? In any case Rodriguez looked (to me) exactly the same as he has looked all year and the difference is he wasn't being squeezed. He could actually get a called strike three on the edge rather than the pitch being called a ball and the at bat going on ending up in a hit or a walk.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2021 9:12:13 GMT -5
Was anybody else surprised to see Whitlock pitch twice in three days?
At this point I don't think he'll be used as a starter and given where they're at, even with the starters struggling, I feel if they're grooming Sale to return to the rotation and they have Houck healthy, they'll have enough to cover the rotation and they can continue to use Whitlock in the pen for this season and can have him start next season.
But that said, are they going to use him as a guy pitching on one day rest more often or will they revert back to the use him on three days rest for a couple of innings role they were using him for before?
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Post by mobaz on Jun 28, 2021 9:22:13 GMT -5
“The Red Sox should send Cashman a gift box for Ottavino and Whitlock. Maybe he can share it with Hal.” “For some reason, the baseball Gods are trying to humiliate the Yankees.” Lol "The Yankees are to [sic] cool for school how many of the these players are actually here to honor the stripes" "In fact, Cashman did a better job building Bostons pen than his own……" "it's a team full of fragile head-cases and losers, put together by an arrogant prick and managed by a glib, bubble-blowing foof and owned by a golden-spoon bean-counter who doesn’t give a crap whether they win or not, as long as he can keep pocketing more and more of the profits." Face hurts from smiling so big
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 28, 2021 9:35:08 GMT -5
The major thing I noticed was Rodriguez was getting the calls on the black which he has not been getting all year. There is no way to calculate how huge that one factor is. Incredible it came against the Yankees. Maybe there are a couple of umpires in the league who didn't grow up Yankee fans or who have gotten to a point where the arrogance of the Yankee hitters rubs them the wrong way. Is it part of Yankee organizational coaching that all players must carry themselves like entitled jerks? In any case Rodriguez looked (to me) exactly the same as he has looked all year and the difference is he wasn't being squeezed. He could actually get a called strike three on the edge rather than the pitch being called a ball and the at bat going on ending up in a hit or a walk. That was a big factor in the game, he got some big K's early based on the backdoor slider getting the call, ump was giving him that and expanded the strike zone. Ump gave that but took away every top of the zone strike, balls that would I think be called strikes by a computer. Interesting aspect for players to get used what an ump is going to give compared to the future when it will be set in stone or at least should be. I think players might have to adjust to a higher zone which will benefit pitchers with 95+ FBs. It could be a matter of contention when the zone is dictated by what the rules say as the letters would be a few inches higher, in my estimation.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 28, 2021 10:34:04 GMT -5
I used to think Cole was a substantial pitcher. Now he is looking like he is just a pitcher of substance.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2021 11:13:01 GMT -5
He didn't fail any more "spectacularly" than Renfroe did to start the season. And like him, he was starting to mash when he was sent down. You'll also want to check out Duran's splits when it comes to discussing a "hitter's ballpark". The HRs I've seen Duran hit would have pretty much gone out anywhere. I think it's more coincidental to how he was hitting in general when he played his games at home or on the road.
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Post by jbsox on Jun 28, 2021 15:35:23 GMT -5
I think the reason they sent Cordero down is exactly because he was starting to hit. It wasn't just the HR blast either. He'd hit three doubles and was slugging over .700, rocketing balls down the right-field line. It was mid-May when he started doing that and they sent him down right after the home run. With the long layoff and the intermittent at bats with the Sox, they likely wanted him to keep swinging the bat. The team has a number of outfield options drawing free-agent paychecks, and they needed to give them work to see what they have. That didn't leave a lot of room to develop his hitting. So what is he, a quint-A player? Where do you put a guy who's mashing this hard at the AAA level? He may be trade bait, but if he were to keep doing this on some MLB team, I can only imagine the howls on this board. The Sox have a problem, a good one but a problem. They have more outfielders - actual and potential - than outfield slots. What comes next? I was thinking it’s too bad they are not giving Francy a 1st base glove down in triple A to get some practice there. The Sox preach versatility, and if Santana and Gonzalez can play first why not Cordero. I think that could help alleviate some of the logjam.
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Post by patford on Jun 28, 2021 15:54:55 GMT -5
I think the reason they sent Cordero down is exactly because he was starting to hit. It wasn't just the HR blast either. He'd hit three doubles and was slugging over .700, rocketing balls down the right-field line. It was mid-May when he started doing that and they sent him down right after the home run. With the long layoff and the intermittent at bats with the Sox, they likely wanted him to keep swinging the bat. The team has a number of outfield options drawing free-agent paychecks, and they needed to give them work to see what they have. That didn't leave a lot of room to develop his hitting. So what is he, a quint-A player? Where do you put a guy who's mashing this hard at the AAA level? He may be trade bait, but if he were to keep doing this on some MLB team, I can only imagine the howls on this board. The Sox have a problem, a good one but a problem. They have more outfielders - actual and potential - than outfield slots. What comes next? I was thinking it’s too bad they are not giving Francy a 1st base glove down in triple A to get some practice there. The Sox preach versatility, and if Santana and Gonzalez can play first why not Cordero. I think that could help alleviate some of the logjam. Gonzalez is an outstanding SS so of course he can play 1B. I agree though. If I'm not mistaken 1B is the position which would be usually considered the least difficult. Maybe I'm wrong but I think it goes: 1.SS 2. CF 3. C 4.3B-RF 5. 2B-LF 6. 1B.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2021 16:53:00 GMT -5
The Michael Kay show (or at least the opening) and the Maggie and Moose show on WFAN was a lot of fun to listen to, They're not happy in the Bronx.
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Post by jbsox on Jun 28, 2021 17:24:32 GMT -5
I was thinking it’s too bad they are not giving Francy a 1st base glove down in triple A to get some practice there. The Sox preach versatility, and if Santana and Gonzalez can play first why not Cordero. I think that could help alleviate some of the logjam. Gonzalez is an outstanding SS so of course he can play 1B. I agree though. If I'm not mistaken 1B is the position which would be usually considered the least difficult. Maybe I'm wrong but I think it goes: 1.SS 2. CF 3. C 4.3B-RF 5. 2B-LF 6. 1B. Mods, just noticed some stuff was moved to the Francy thread. This could possibly be moved as well.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 28, 2021 17:26:51 GMT -5
The Michael Kay show (or at least the opening) and the Maggie and Moose show on WFAN was a lot of fun to listen to, They're not happy in the Bronx. I may have mentioned that Cecilia Tan, SABR Publlications Director (and former editor of the Baseball Prospectus annual) is a close friend going back almost 30 years. She's also so much of a Yankees fan that she has season tickets even though she lives in Cambridge. She's going to have a much more informed take on what ails the MFY's than anyone in the NY or national media. I think I'll ask her.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2021 17:31:53 GMT -5
The Michael Kay show (or at least the opening) and the Maggie and Moose show on WFAN was a lot of fun to listen to, They're not happy in the Bronx. I may have mentioned that Cecilia Tan, SABR Publlications Director (and former editor of the Baseball Prospectus annual) is a close friend going back almost 30 years. She's also so much of a Yankees fan that she has season tickets even though she lives in Cambridge. She's going to have a much more informed take on what ails the MFY's than anyone in the NY or national media. I think I'll ask her. I met her about 10 years ago or so, the exact time escapes me, at a SABR meeting where she was promoting one of her books. All I can say about the Yankees is what's obvious. They are a sludgy team. They can't score unless they homer. They have no speed, terrible defense, guys playing out of position, no left handed hitting so the lineup lacks balance and at this point not enough pitching in the rotation behind Cole and a bullpen that isn't airtight, which is heightened when Britton is injured. And despite that they still have a chance, but they look a lot weaker than I remember ever seeing them. Honestly this is the worse they have looked since the Stump Merrill days, although obviously they're not that bad and they're probably not much worse than the 2008, 2013 - 2014 editions, just more disappointing.
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