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6/28-7/1 Red Sox vs. Royals Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2021 6:09:30 GMT -5
Great Win!
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Post by patford on Jul 1, 2021 6:40:51 GMT -5
Aaron BaBoone: "I'm going with Aroldis Chapman over anyone. Even Mariano Rivera. Easy.”
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 1, 2021 6:49:48 GMT -5
Anyone else worried about wearing out Barnes?
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2021 7:07:20 GMT -5
nah he doesn’t get those reads. I don’t expect him to yet either I have seen nothing that analyzes what he reads and what he doesn’t. What we do know is that he does make running catches. He did in Puerto Rico in games shown on telly and he has in Worcester. Nothing against Kikay. It was a hell of a catch. But making absolute statements like yours lack proof. I would expect that he would make running catches. It’s basically the knock on his defense… They aren’t comparable defensively at the moment. Kikè is a good major league CF, Duran is a work in progress and that’s probably the only reason he’s still in the minors at this moment. I think it’s borderline crazy to say he makes that play standing up. There’s a lot more to outfield defense than speed Also I feel like this is common sense but not all running catches are created equally
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Post by patford on Jul 1, 2021 7:29:44 GMT -5
I have seen nothing that analyzes what he reads and what he doesn’t. What we do know is that he does make running catches. He did in Puerto Rico in games shown on telly and he has in Worcester. Nothing against Kikay. It was a hell of a catch. But making absolute statements like yours lack proof. I would expect that he would make running catches. It’s basically the knock on his defense… They aren’t comparable defensively at the moment. Kikè is a good major league CF, Duran is a work in progress and that’s probably the only reason he’s still in the minors at this moment. I think it’s borderline crazy to say he makes that play standing up. There’s a lot more to outfield defense than speed Also I feel like this is common sense but not all running catches are created equally I have been meaning to ask Ian Cundall a question for the past three podcasts and keep forgetting to get the question in. What I'd like to know is has Duran substantially improved in the OF ? And I'd ask Ian because he's seen Duran more than most (maybe anyone) here and I've yet to hear him comment positively on Duran's defense. In fact I get the impression Duran is actually pretty bad in the OF. The biggest thing for an outfielder isn't speed. It's reads off the bat. Neither Lynn or Bradley were (are) particularly fast. One false step negates speed. The speed of foot might allow an OF to make up for a bad read but a running catch isn't a great thing on a ball that Bradley or Lynn would glide under and make look easy.
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Post by costpet on Jul 1, 2021 7:44:27 GMT -5
If he's that bad in CF, stick him in LF. His bat at leadoff would certainly be an upgrade.
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Post by cheers on Jul 1, 2021 8:02:56 GMT -5
Waking up (oppo coast) to see the Sox with a three game lead AND that the MFY gave up seven runs in the 9th inning is making this coffee taste so much better.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 1, 2021 8:55:06 GMT -5
Guys... we're in first place in the AL! How did that happen? Great run the last week or two.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2021 9:29:30 GMT -5
While I agree that Duran's ready for a look, I would push back against the assumption he'd be hitting in MLB. I cite to two of the top handful of prospects in the game:
Jarred Kelenic: .310/.383/.610, 8 HR, 16.5% k rate in 24 games in AAA, .096/.185/.193, 2 HR, 28.3% K rate in 23 games in MLB. Wander Franco: .315/.367/.586, 7 HR, 11.9% K rate in 39 games in AAA, .194/.306/.323, 1 HR, 16.7% K rate in 8 games in MLB so far (extreme SSS, for sure).
For reference, Duran's at .282/.372/.615, 15 HR, 23.3% K rate (which has been slowly dropping - he's at 21% since returning from Team USA). Might he come up and hit? Sure! Is it obvious that he comes up and hits leadoff the rest of the way and turns into Rickey Henderson? Not at all. If anything, the team contending kind of makes it HARDER to call him up, because you kind of need him to hit.
It seems like Franchy's going to get the first shot and that probably makes sense because he fits what they need positionally a little better. Duran's up sometime in August unless they make a deal that blocks him though, I bet.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2021 9:31:01 GMT -5
Guys... we're in first place in the AL! How did that happen? Great run the last week or two. 1 game back of the Giants (2 in the loss column, tied in wins) for the best record in baseball. Had the same thought last night.
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Post by beavertontim on Jul 1, 2021 9:32:25 GMT -5
Anyone else worried about wearing out Barnes? Yes. I could not understand why they went with him last night. There are only so many innings in that arm
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 1, 2021 9:37:21 GMT -5
I have had the impression that they're a little too comfortable overworking the two impending FAs in the pen.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 1, 2021 9:39:07 GMT -5
Anyone else worried about wearing out Barnes? Yes, there wasn’t a good reason to use him last night. Should have used a lower leverage guy and then thought about Barnes if he got in trouble.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 1, 2021 9:41:38 GMT -5
I have seen nothing that analyzes what he reads and what he doesn’t. What we do know is that he does make running catches. He did in Puerto Rico in games shown on telly and he has in Worcester. Nothing against Kikay. It was a hell of a catch. But making absolute statements like yours lack proof. I would expect that he would make running catches. It’s basically the knock on his defense… They aren’t comparable defensively at the moment. Kikè is a good major league CF, Duran is a work in progress and that’s probably the only reason he’s still in the minors at this moment. I think it’s borderline crazy to say he makes that play standing up. There’s a lot more to outfield defense than speed Also I feel like this is common sense but not all running catches are created equally Yes, yes. We all saw Kikè’s catch. And it was a great catch, for sure. But we also see his .301 OBP from the leadoff spot and are left asking “what if?” constantly.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 1, 2021 9:46:30 GMT -5
Same exact situation in the yankee game. 3 run game turns into 4 run game on a 8th inning home run. And they bring in the closer anyway. And Chapman blows it!!! So....uhhh....is Chapman a sticky stuff kind of guy? He hasn’t been the same since Cruz and Donaldson took him deep in MIN and the timing is, well, curious.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2021 9:55:58 GMT -5
Per Cora, Dalbec has hamstring tightness. Can pinch hit today, hoping he's back in on Saturday. So that explains his absence.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 1, 2021 10:43:50 GMT -5
It's so much fun, but I think the way it's going, that frustration is simply going to turn to apathy where the Yankee fans simply give up on their season. We all know about 1978 and being down 14 games but this Yankee team has nowhere near the talent. It's not like they're all injured, fire their alcoholic manager, and voila a recipe for a turnaround. No, this team is extremely flawed and with the trade deadline looming they're probably more likely to dump players than try to salvage the season. Just wow. They had an open window to win a Championship and it looks like they're going to go away empty-handed. My heart bleeds for them - HAHAHAHA! Cashman had the midas touch for a couple years there but it seems to have run out, as that team just doesn't seem put together very well - less than the sum of their parts, with mediocre offense, lousy defense, and really poor baserunning, if the stats are to be believed. And the long-term looks a little dicey for them. They were supposed to be dominant in the AL this year, but that obviously hasn't happened, and now they have an aging and overrated Stanton to pay through age 37; LeMahieu through age 37; Judge will be a free agent at 30 but they sort of have to sign him, right? Looks like they have an okay farm system, but no great prospects, and it's pretty barren above high-A... They'll always add reinforcements through free agency, but this looks more like the treadmill Yankees of the mid-'10s, bending under the weight of big contracts, whereas a lot of people thought they were set up for a great run.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 1, 2021 10:48:33 GMT -5
Same exact situation in the yankee game. 3 run game turns into 4 run game on a 8th inning home run. And they bring in the closer anyway. And Chapman blows it!!! So....uhhh....is Chapman a sticky stuff kind of guy? He hasn’t been the same since Cruz and Donaldson took him deep in MIN and the timing is, well, curious. About two Sundays ago, right before the rule enforcement was set to begin, Buster Olney threw out a little blurb about scouts mentioning a "certain reliver in the AL East that cant locate his FB up anymore" and he was clearly talking about Chapman, and since then, we've certainly seen that. Between the triple play vs the Jays, and some horrid baserunning w a runner on 3rd and outs the day before that would have tied it, his numbers would look even worse since the rule enforcement.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 1, 2021 11:37:28 GMT -5
So....uhhh....is Chapman a sticky stuff kind of guy? He hasn’t been the same since Cruz and Donaldson took him deep in MIN and the timing is, well, curious. About two Sundays ago, right before the rule enforcement was set to begin, Buster Olney threw out a little blurb about scouts mentioning a "certain reliver in the AL East that cant locate his FB up anymore" and he was clearly talking about Chapman, and since then, we've certainly seen that. Between the triple play vs the Jays, and some horrid baserunning w a runner on 3rd and outs the day before that would have tied it, his numbers would look even worse since the rule enforcement. Last 8 appearances for Chapman: 5.2IP, 13H, 8BB, 6K, 11ER, 17.47ERA, .464BAA, .583OBPA
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Post by jimoh on Jul 1, 2021 12:04:57 GMT -5
Itâs basically the knock on his defense⦠They arenât comparable defensively at the moment. Kikè is a good major league CF, Duran is a work in progress and thatâs probably the only reason heâs still in the minors at this moment. I think itâs borderline crazy to say he makes that play standing up. Thereâs a lot more to outfield defense than speed Also I feel like this is common sense but not all running catches are created equally Yes, yes. We all saw Kikèâs catch. And it was a great catch, for sure. But we also see his .301 OBP from the leadoff spot and are left asking âwhat if?â constantly. Great catch by Kiké. But watching the replay again and again I notice he was wearing long pants, all the way down to the ankle. As the game is about to start today I see he is wearing his pants that stop above the knee, as he has several times before. What's with the above-the-knee pants? Does anyone else wear them? is there anyone else who cycles between different styles of pant-leg length?
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2021 12:06:03 GMT -5
Hernandez 4 Verdugo 8 Martinez 7 X DH Devers 5 Renfroe 9 Gonzalez 6 Santana 3 Wong 2
Let’s have some fun
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 1, 2021 12:21:15 GMT -5
Nate already laboring. Geez.
Come on let’s sweep these bums out of town
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Post by incandenza on Jul 1, 2021 12:29:54 GMT -5
Ugh, can't believe Kiké keeps batting leadoff - just wasting all that power, he should be batting cleanup.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 1, 2021 12:33:37 GMT -5
It's so much fun, but I think the way it's going, that frustration is simply going to turn to apathy where the Yankee fans simply give up on their season. We all know about 1978 and being down 14 games but this Yankee team has nowhere near the talent. It's not like they're all injured, fire their alcoholic manager, and voila a recipe for a turnaround. No, this team is extremely flawed and with the trade deadline looming they're probably more likely to dump players than try to salvage the season. Just wow. They had an open window to win a Championship and it looks like they're going to go away empty-handed. My heart bleeds for them - HAHAHAHA! Cashman had the midas touch for a couple years there but it seems to have run out, as that team just doesn't seem put together very well - less than the sum of their parts, with mediocre offense, lousy defense, and really poor baserunning, if the stats are to be believed. And the long-term looks a little dicey for them. They were supposed to be dominant in the AL this year, but that obviously hasn't happened, and now they have an aging and overrated Stanton to pay through age 37; LeMahieu through age 37; Judge will be a free agent at 30 but they sort of have to sign him, right? Looks like they have an okay farm system, but no great prospects, and it's pretty barren above high-A... They'll always add reinforcements through free agency, but this looks more like the treadmill Yankees of the mid-'10s, bending under the weight of big contracts, whereas a lot of people thought they were set up for a great run. It's been a bad season for their cheap, long term surplus value guys in the majors. Deivi Garcia, Jordan Montgomery, Domingo German Clint Frazier, Luke Voit and Gleyber Torres have combined for 2.5 WAR. Almost all of that is Montgomery. You hate to see it.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 1, 2021 12:33:50 GMT -5
Squanders R Us.
At least they got 1 upfront.
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