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Post by bluechip on Jul 3, 2021 22:44:22 GMT -5
The problem was that Whitlock and Barnes were both unavailable because of yesterday. Whitlock would have been ideal today.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 3, 2021 22:44:23 GMT -5
Time to jettison Andriese. Houck can fill his spot for now and actually be useful. Or Valdez.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2021 22:44:56 GMT -5
Sucks to lose this way. Andriese was actually good in April. He's a torch now. I hope they DFA him.
In retrospect Workman should have gotten the call in the 9th over Rios. Doesn't matter now.
I guess those dozen innings or so last September doesn't outweigh the mediocrity he has been the entirety of his career.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 3, 2021 22:44:58 GMT -5
For those who are going to argue that there were no other options- Workman had only thrown 13 pitches and looked good.
The team fights for 12 innings, gets a 2 run lead and then the manager basically forfeits. That sucks.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 3, 2021 22:46:31 GMT -5
There is no manager I'd rather have than Cora but yeah this loss is on him.
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Post by pedey on Jul 3, 2021 22:46:56 GMT -5
Why wasn’t Barnes available?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2021 22:47:11 GMT -5
For those who are going to argue that there were no other options- Workman had only thrown 13 pitches and looked good. The team fights for 12 innings, gets a 2 run lead and then the manager basically forfeits. That sucks. True, and it's not like he's overworked so he probably could have proceeded. He's been the most rested reliever outside of Andriese who should be put out to pasture.
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Post by pedey on Jul 3, 2021 22:47:48 GMT -5
The problem was that Whitlock and Barnes were both unavailable because of yesterday. Whitlock would have been ideal today. Pitchers are babied too much these days. They should be able to go multiple days in a row
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Post by danr on Jul 3, 2021 22:47:55 GMT -5
Andriese has to go. redsox04071318champs is right. Workman should have been left in.
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Post by ep51 on Jul 3, 2021 22:48:00 GMT -5
Red Sox having a great year but they certainly need to extract Matt Andriese, Santana, and Rios. Send em to Worcester bring up Duran, Houck, and Valdez. This team is really good but improvement is needed if this is going to be a special year.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 3, 2021 22:51:07 GMT -5
Hopefully, they'll have Sale, Houck and Brasier as reinforcements in the 2nd half.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2021 22:54:50 GMT -5
You knew it had to end sometimes but man, what a game.
Who had JDM throwing out the potential winning run at home ?
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 3, 2021 22:54:55 GMT -5
Bring back Valdez. Or bring up Houck. Or bring back Brennan. Please, no more Andriese! He needs to be Briced. He would clear waivers right now, I think. Valdez is the guy you'd recall. Had Andriese been this bad in his last outing, and they had done that then, they win this game.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 3, 2021 22:56:19 GMT -5
Andreise has no business being in the majors at this point.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 3, 2021 22:57:13 GMT -5
Andriese has to go. redsox04071318champs is right. Workman should have been left in. He was right when he agreed with me? No respect, I tell ya.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 3, 2021 22:57:39 GMT -5
Weird double post, sorry.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 3, 2021 23:04:34 GMT -5
For those who are going to argue that there were no other options- Workman had only thrown 13 pitches and looked good. The team fights for 12 innings, gets a 2 run lead and then the manager basically forfeits. That sucks. Workman had last gone out for a 3rd inning of work on June 17, 2017, for Pawtucket. He had 326 relief appearances without doing it since then.
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Post by gerry on Jul 3, 2021 23:09:08 GMT -5
Hopefully, they'll have Sale, Houck and Brasier as reinforcements in the 2nd half. Yes, but this actually is he 2nd half. Time to move on from those who aren’t actually functioning at playoff ball levels. Nyfy and Rays lost. A wasted opportunity. Agree that Andriese and Santana need to be replaced by better talent now. There is plenty in AAA right now. Don’t squander any more wins. Don’t wait til the Break. These are important games right now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2021 23:09:49 GMT -5
For those who are going to argue that there were no other options- Workman had only thrown 13 pitches and looked good. The team fights for 12 innings, gets a 2 run lead and then the manager basically forfeits. That sucks. Workman had last gone out for a 3rd inning of work on June 17, 2017, for Pawtucket. He had 326 relief appearances without doing it since then. So when is the last time he threw 30 pitches in an outing because if he threw 15 to 20 pitches more would it have been that out of the ordinary?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 3, 2021 23:10:20 GMT -5
Bring back Valdez. Or bring up Houck. Or bring back Brennan. Please, no more Andriese! He needs to be Briced. He would clear waivers right now, I think. Valdez is the guy you'd recall. Had Andriese been this bad in his last outing, and they had done that then, they win this game. Both Andriese and Santana were absolutely brutal in this game and there is no reason they shouldn’t have been dfa-ed already.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 3, 2021 23:10:54 GMT -5
For those who are going to argue that there were no other options- Workman had only thrown 13 pitches and looked good. The team fights for 12 innings, gets a 2 run lead and then the manager basically forfeits. That sucks. Workman had last gone out for a 3rd inning of work on June 17, 2017, for Pawtucket. He had 326 relief appearances without doing it since then. May 2007 was the last month Matt Andriese would be considered a good closing option. For his High School team.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 3, 2021 23:16:46 GMT -5
Not a master-piece of managing by Cora. He's had a lot of games where he's made eye-brow raising decisions that have worked out. Perhaps you get to the point where you trust it's all going to work out no matter what. This time he ran out of pitchers after mangling the order in which the RPs were used (Rios - Cora probably was gambling that he could somehow get the job done, and wouldn't need to use Otto). A's should have ended the game in the 10th.
Point is though, you get to a point in the game where you go ahead by 2 in the 12th and have a great chance to take 2 of 3 in the series, and I don't know how you resist the urge to use someone that will give you a much better chance to close it out. Who knows what Pivetta will give you tomorrow? Once you take that lead, don't you have to try your best to preserve it and clinch the victory when it is there for the taking? If the game is still tied, I get using Andriese in that situation.
The positive take aways: Richards looked better, Kiké seems to be having better ABs. That said, Verdugo 0-6 hurt. I missed it if it was mentioned already, but something's up with him. I'm guessing something's amiss since he was DH tonight and JD was in LF.
Oh well probably shouldn't be complaining too much after the winning streak, and the good fortunes so far!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2021 23:17:04 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand the difficulty of DFA Andriese for Valdez and then swap him out for Houck.
Eventually Rios goes to AAA when Sale is ready.
Chavis to AAA when Arroyo is ready.
DFA Santana. I'd call up Duran but can understand them wanting to see if Franchy can handle 1b instead.
At some point somebody will get injured and they can have both Cordero and Duran on the roster.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 3, 2021 23:40:07 GMT -5
The problem was that Whitlock and Barnes were both unavailable because of yesterday. Whitlock would have been ideal today. Sucks that Cora went to Barnes with a 4 run lead the other night for no good reason. That’s why they didn’t have him tonight.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 3, 2021 23:44:41 GMT -5
For those who are going to argue that there were no other options- Workman had only thrown 13 pitches and looked good. The team fights for 12 innings, gets a 2 run lead and then the manager basically forfeits. That sucks. Workman had last gone out for a 3rd inning of work on June 17, 2017, for Pawtucket. He had 326 relief appearances without doing it since then. I was at the game sitting directly behind the plate. Workman looked strong and the Sox were running out of pitchers. Given the choice between Andriese and Workman, it should have been Workman. But, it broke down earlier with decision to use Rios in a high leverage situation and then bringing in Darwinzon in the middle of an inning. As for Barnes, the question of why not needs answering even if Cora felt that Barnes needed a couple of days off in a row. Let us hope it is not more than that. Dugie looked awful. Timing was off. Looked like he had no spark. Tough loss, but shit happens sometimes. A big winning streak beforehand softens the blow when you think about it.
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