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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 27, 2021 22:01:57 GMT -5
So I was just texting my buddy about the weird HOU-SEA trade today. Why on Earth would Dipoto trade his closer, with a 0.82 ERA, to the division leader when his team is fighting for the WC spot? Well, he said himself that it's part of what will be a series of trades. So he traded away his closer... any other prominent closers out there that would be worth trading a guy with a 0.82 ERA? How about the guy with the 0.49 ERA in Chicago? Which got me thinking that maybe they're working on a Kimbrel-Rizzo package deal, which would kill two birds with one stone. You heard it here first.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 27, 2021 23:17:32 GMT -5
So I was just texting my buddy about the weird HOU-SEA trade today. Why on Earth would Dipoto trade his closer, with a 0.82 ERA, to the division leader when his team is fighting for the WC spot? Well, he said himself that it's part of what will be a series of trades. So he traded away his closer... any other prominent closers out there that would be worth trading a guy with a 0.82 ERA? How about the guy with the 0.49 ERA in Chicago? Which got me thinking that maybe they're working on a Kimbrel-Rizzo package deal, which would kill two birds with one stone. You heard it here first. Or Tyler Anderson
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 27, 2021 23:42:57 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 28, 2021 2:02:35 GMT -5
Dero had for a trade of Nick Yorke and Blaze Jordan for Max Scherzer. Not sure how I feel about that. I just saw this. I think that Bloom can trade 3 if the top 15 guys right now and be ok because he knows how to build a farm. Adding Mad Max and not losing an MLB player would be insane. I’m ok with Downs, Jimenez, Bello but i’m not sure if that’s even enough for someone like Max. Sale, Max, Eovaldi…..oh my. Plus keep him away from Houston, LA and San Fran.
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Post by jbsox on Jul 28, 2021 3:03:09 GMT -5
Dero had for a trade of Nick Yorke and Blaze Jordan for Max Scherzer. Not sure how I feel about that. I just saw this. I think that Bloom can trade 3 if the top 15 guys right now and be ok because he knows how to build a farm. Adding Mad Max and not losing an MLB player would be insane. I’m ok with Downs, Jimenez, Bello but i’m not sure if that’s even enough for someone like Max. Sale, Max, Eovaldi…..oh my. Plus keep him away from Houston, LA and San Fran. Scherzer is a rental though so I’m not quite sure it will take premium prospects to get him. It’s not like trading for a cost controlled Chris Sale in his prime. That being said if someone like Downs or Jimenez is included in a trade I trust the organization feels they aren’t as highly thought of as we think. The Rays had a “buyers” trade with Cruz, and a “sellers” trade with Hill. It will be interesting to see if Bloom does a little of both.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 28, 2021 4:52:35 GMT -5
So I was just texting my buddy about the weird HOU-SEA trade today. Why on Earth would Dipoto trade his closer, with a 0.82 ERA, to the division leader when his team is fighting for the WC spot? Well, he said himself that it's part of what will be a series of trades. So he traded away his closer... any other prominent closers out there that would be worth trading a guy with a 0.82 ERA? How about the guy with the 0.49 ERA in Chicago? Which got me thinking that maybe they're working on a Kimbrel-Rizzo package deal, which would kill two birds with one stone. You heard it here first. I doubt this happens but who knows. He did lose the locker room though and we shall see if he can get it back.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 5:03:21 GMT -5
So I was just texting my buddy about the weird HOU-SEA trade today. Why on Earth would Dipoto trade his closer, with a 0.82 ERA, to the division leader when his team is fighting for the WC spot? Well, he said himself that it's part of what will be a series of trades. So he traded away his closer... any other prominent closers out there that would be worth trading a guy with a 0.82 ERA? How about the guy with the 0.49 ERA in Chicago? Which got me thinking that maybe they're working on a Kimbrel-Rizzo package deal, which would kill two birds with one stone. You heard it here first. I doubt this happens but who knows. He did lose the locker room though and we shall see if he can get it back. I read one thing that said this trade means you must really love Abraham Toro and his .352 .485 .593 1.078 in 68 AAA PA this year and his 324 .411 .527 .938 in nearly a full season of AA-AAA in 2019, despite his poor mlb numbers (except for 7 hrs in 123 PA--including one in his first AB in Seattle last night!--which of course they could not love in advance. His OPS in Seattle is 5.000). And you have to think that closers are easily replaceable.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 28, 2021 6:37:25 GMT -5
I doubt this happens but who knows. He did lose the locker room though and we shall see if he can get it back. I read one thing that said this trade means you must really love Abraham Toro and his .352 .485 .593 1.078 in 68 AAA PA this year and his 324 .411 .527 .938 in nearly a full season of AA-AAA in 2019, despite his poor mlb numbers (except for 7 hrs in 123 PA--including one in his first AB in Seattle last night!--which of course they could not love in advance. His OPS in Seattle is 5.000). And you have to think that closers are easily replaceable. Closers with an era below 1 are easily replaceable? And you trade him to the team in front of you in your division? Maybe in the long run it works out and this guy rakes but in the short run every guy in your locker room is saying WTF!! In the short run he lost the room and that team has already had a tough season based on the inept FO. You think they implode or make the playoffs?
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 6:58:06 GMT -5
I doubt this happens but who knows. He did lose the locker room though and we shall see if he can get it back. I read one thing that said this trade means you must really love Abraham Toro and his .352 .485 .593 1.078 in 68 AAA PA this year and his 324 .411 .527 .938 in nearly a full season of AA-AAA in 2019, despite his poor mlb numbers (except for 7 hrs in 123 PA--including one in his first AB in Seattle last night!--which of course they could not love in advance. His OPS in Seattle is 5.000). And you have to think that closers are easily replaceable. Also: ESPN Stats & Info @espnstatsinfo Abraham Toro homered for the Astros against the Mariners on Monday. He was traded to Seattle on Tuesday and proceeded to homer for the Mariners AGAINST the Astros.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 6:59:32 GMT -5
I read one thing that said this trade means you must really love Abraham Toro and his .352 .485 .593 1.078 in 68 AAA PA this year and his 324 .411 .527 .938 in nearly a full season of AA-AAA in 2019, despite his poor mlb numbers (except for 7 hrs in 123 PA--including one in his first AB in Seattle last night!--which of course they could not love in advance. His OPS in Seattle is 5.000). And you have to think that closers are easily replaceable. Closers with an era below 1 are easily replaceable? And you trade him to the team in front of you in your division? Maybe in the long run it works out and this guy rakes but in the short run every guy in your locker room is saying WTF!! In the short run he lost the room and that team has already had a tough season based on the inept FO. You think they implode or make the playoffs? I'm not really defending it, just saying what they must be thinking, good or bad.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 28, 2021 6:59:45 GMT -5
I read one thing that said this trade means you must really love Abraham Toro and his .352 .485 .593 1.078 in 68 AAA PA this year and his 324 .411 .527 .938 in nearly a full season of AA-AAA in 2019, despite his poor mlb numbers (except for 7 hrs in 123 PA--including one in his first AB in Seattle last night!--which of course they could not love in advance. His OPS in Seattle is 5.000). And you have to think that closers are easily replaceable. Also: ESPN Stats & Info @espnstatsinfo Abraham Toro homered for the Astros against the Mariners on Monday. He was traded to Seattle on Tuesday and proceeded to homer for the Mariners AGAINST the Astros. That is one way to endear yourself to your new teammates.
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Post by jmei on Jul 28, 2021 7:16:36 GMT -5
The “traded to a team we’re in the middle of playing” genre of trade has always been fascinating to me. You just switch dugouts one day. Must be even weirder when it’s a division rival.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 7:33:01 GMT -5
Ok, here’s my deal. We go modest and acquire Cron and Bard from Colorado for people like Chavis, Wilson, Rosario, a promising AAA reliever/ closer type like Ort or Adames and a person or two from A ball
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2021 7:33:56 GMT -5
Dero had for a trade of Nick Yorke and Blaze Jordan for Max Scherzer. Not sure how I feel about that. Who is Dero? Honestly, I would be all in on this if they can ascertain that Scherzer is healthy. The odds say both Yorke and Jordan will never make MLB, never mind be MLB average players.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2021 7:34:48 GMT -5
Luxury Tax move, apparently. They cleared two spaces on the 40 man and shed some cash. Move coming somewhere.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2021 7:35:24 GMT -5
Ok, here’s my deal. We go modest and acquire Cron and Bard from Colorado for people like Chavis, Wilson, Rosario, a promising AAA reliever/ closer type like Ort or Adames and a person or two from A ball Cron's away numbers are, well, Dalbecian.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 28, 2021 7:54:40 GMT -5
The “traded to a team we’re in the middle of playing” genre of trade has always been fascinating to me. You just switch dugouts one day. Must be even weirder when it’s a division rival. Do you have to switch hotels since the Astros would no longer be paying for it??
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 28, 2021 8:21:53 GMT -5
Rizzo makes the most sense. Shouldn’t take a lot to get him either.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 28, 2021 8:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by fisk75 on Jul 28, 2021 8:38:55 GMT -5
Right now I say give me Rizzo and Daniel Hudson. I doubt the cost is substantial. Return of Sale, and hopefully Brasier deepens this roster.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 8:41:07 GMT -5
Ok, here’s my deal. We go modest and acquire Cron and Bard from Colorado for people like Chavis, Wilson, Rosario, a promising AAA reliever/ closer type like Ort or Adames and a person or two from A ball Cron's away numbers are, well, Dalbecian. But eight years of .256 .317 .464 .780
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 28, 2021 9:07:42 GMT -5
Rizzo's dad used to hop on the radio broadcasts with, I think, Evan Lepler in Salem (that ring a bell to you, Ray?). Might have been with Antonellis in Portland.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 28, 2021 9:10:39 GMT -5
So I was just texting my buddy about the weird HOU-SEA trade today. Why on Earth would Dipoto trade his closer, with a 0.82 ERA, to the division leader when his team is fighting for the WC spot? Well, he said himself that it's part of what will be a series of trades. So he traded away his closer... any other prominent closers out there that would be worth trading a guy with a 0.82 ERA? How about the guy with the 0.49 ERA in Chicago? Which got me thinking that maybe they're working on a Kimbrel-Rizzo package deal, which would kill two birds with one stone. You heard it here first. Or Tyler Anderson That can't possibly be the end game. Trader Jerry has never been shy (there's the legend of him finishing a trade from his hospital bed...) but if this doesn't work you'd have to think it's his ass.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 28, 2021 9:14:04 GMT -5
That HOU-SEA game last night also featured a Ryan Weber sighting, pitching a scoreless 9th for the M's, down four. Maybe he's their new closer?
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Post by jkfer98 on Jul 28, 2021 9:19:53 GMT -5
I feel like with these 3 teams involved the price might get too high for Scherzer.
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