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Trade deadline (2021): thoughts/strategy/predictions
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Post by carl4sox on Jul 6, 2021 21:03:27 GMT -5
Franchy, Franchy. Sorry.
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Post by cdj on Jul 7, 2021 0:27:21 GMT -5
I wonder if they’ll look at Brad Miller if they don’t go the Franchy route at 1B. Lefty bat. Can platoon him with Dalbec but he can also fill in at some other spots. Bloom has a history with him. He should also be cheap enough in $$ that he won’t send them over the threshold. Won’t cost a lot in assets. Will probably give them league average production with the potential to be a little better than that at his best
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Post by soxaddict on Jul 7, 2021 1:15:39 GMT -5
I wonder if they’ll look at Brad Miller if they don’t go the Franchy route at 1B. Lefty bat. Can platoon him with Dalbec but he can also fill in at some other spots. Bloom has a history with him. He should also be cheap enough in $$ that he won’t send them over the threshold. Won’t cost a lot in assets. Will probably give them league average production with the potential to be a little better than that at his best Absolutely. He was a guy I was hoping they would pursue this past offseason before they signed Marwin. Agreed, he should come fairly cheap, assuming Philly falls out of it.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 7, 2021 3:02:25 GMT -5
What about dealing Ryan Brasier? You could do it for a PTBNL with the player named dependent upon the amount of innings that he pitches for the new team. Why would you do this??? Trade an experienced / cheap reliever that has had success in the past. How about get him into the pen ASAP and make it that much deeper. If Braiser goes into game 2 vs the As in the 8th, rather than Rios, we more than likely win that game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2021 5:22:03 GMT -5
They're not going to worsen their major league roster in any trades. It wouldn't make sense. The only guys who can realistically help them after a promotion would be Houck, Duran, and Cordero? Are you suggesting dealing Kiké Hernandez or Christian Arroyo or Garrett Richard's or Martin Perez for minor leaguers? I suppose they could but I don't see them getting enough to make it worth their while? Honestly it doesn't make sense to deal Hernandez and his versatility and as others have pointed out he's their best defensive CF. ----- (Folks, sorry... but I don't know the process for properly replying to a post. Could someone please show me? Thanks.) I think the word "worsen" is a relative term, certainly long term and, to a lesser degree, short term. Let me take a stab at explaining. Hypothetically, if Boston feels it has a decent current starter as well as an in-house substitute who is pretty close to what they now have - in other words, the dropoff wouldn't have significant impact on 2021... but another team has crap at that same position and views Boston's decent current starter as... #1 - available in trade and #2 - enough of an upgrade to OVER PAY for that upgrade, I'd hope Boston would take a hard look at both the short and longer term aspects of pulling the trigger, particularly if the deal is with a National League club. Two side benefits: It would clear a space on the 40-man roster as well as lowering the short and longer term payroll just a bit. I'm not suggesting Boston dump its stars. I am suggesting that some players 'could' become targets for desperate teams and that Boston has a responsibility to listen. I think most of us agree that Boston has few glaring holes and has outperformed all expectations by a mile, so far. It'll be fun to see things play out... also fun to see the draft. Are you working off a computer or your phone? If a phone, which kind?
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 7, 2021 6:58:43 GMT -5
Off a Mac. I just his 'reply' to your message, but my quandary is when the message I want to reply to exists upthread. Thanks.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 7, 2021 7:56:29 GMT -5
Off a Mac. I just his 'reply' to your message, but my quandary is when the message I want to reply to exists upthread. Thanks. Hit the quote button in the upper right corner of that post.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 7, 2021 8:29:47 GMT -5
I wonder if they’ll look at Brad Miller if they don’t go the Franchy route at 1B. Lefty bat. Can platoon him with Dalbec but he can also fill in at some other spots. Bloom has a history with him. He should also be cheap enough in $$ that he won’t send them over the threshold. Won’t cost a lot in assets. Will probably give them league average production with the potential to be a little better than that at his best Absolutely. He was a guy I was hoping they would pursue this past offseason before they signed Marwin. Agreed, he should come fairly cheap, assuming Philly falls out of it. This is the kind of deal we should make. I agree!
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2021 8:31:11 GMT -5
If they add a platoon bat for first, who are you taking off the roster?
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 7, 2021 8:57:33 GMT -5
Absolutely. He was a guy I was hoping they would pursue this past offseason before they signed Marwin. Agreed, he should come fairly cheap, assuming Philly falls out of it. This is the kind of deal we should make. I agree! Mitch Moreland is someone who comes to mind for me. Kinda stuck on the A's bench behind Olson (both LH bats too). I guess he is being used mostly as DH. A's aren't necessarily in sell mode since they are right in the thick of things but perhaps someone like Chavis would be of interest to them. He could fill in at DH and back up both 1B & 2B and still has a few years of control which the A's are always interested in. Seems like a better fit for Chavis' skill set Moreland would bring veteran leadership, solid defense, left-handed bat to platoon with Dalbac and a successful pinch-hitting resume. edit: Moreland just added to the IL....no reason given. Could just be the phantom IL to facilitate Piscotty activation.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 7, 2021 10:18:07 GMT -5
Adam Eaton was just DFA'd, He's been bad in 189ABs this year, and worse in 150ABs last yr, but I think he kind of makes sense for two teams in particular; the Red Sox and MFY.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 7, 2021 10:19:36 GMT -5
Absolutely. He was a guy I was hoping they would pursue this past offseason before they signed Marwin. Agreed, he should come fairly cheap, assuming Philly falls out of it. This is the kind of deal we should make. I agree! I think over the winter someone on this list claimed that Brad Miller could not play first base because he "stopped" doing it a couple of years earlier. Curious argument. The only problem with trying to trade for Miller is that the Phillies would be afraid he would immediately become an All-Star, while the guy(s) we gave them would immediately implode.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 7, 2021 10:23:00 GMT -5
This is the kind of deal we should make. I agree! I think over the winter someone on this list claimed that Brad Miller could not play first base because he "stopped" doing it a couple of years earlier. Curious argument. The only problem with trying to trade for Miller is that the Phillies would be afraid he would immediately become an All-Star, while the guy(s) we gave them would immediately implode. Has that ever happened before ?!?!
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 7, 2021 10:27:16 GMT -5
Adam Eaton was just DFA'd, He's been bad in 189ABs this year, and worse in 150ABs last yr, but I think he kind of makes sense for two teams in particular; the Red Sox and MFY. There's about 6 guys in the system I'd rather throw out in the OF before signing him (who is hitting .201) and dropping a guy off the 40
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Post by jimoh on Jul 7, 2021 10:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 7, 2021 11:01:56 GMT -5
Adam Eaton was just DFA'd, He's been bad in 189ABs this year, and worse in 150ABs last yr, but I think he kind of makes sense for two teams in particular; the Red Sox and MFY. There's about 6 guys in the system I'd rather throw out in the OF before signing him (who is hitting .201) and dropping a guy off the 40 If the option is for Duran to come up to take someone's spot, or Eaton, certainly I'd prefer Duran. If they are intent on waiting to recall Duran, and would like to give Eaton 50 ABs before doing so, I'd also be ok with that, too. I'd be surprised if he went claimed with his salary, so I'd expect you can have him for the vet minimum. But after Duran, it could buy you more time w Franchy or Rosario as that LHH bench option they've been coveting, esp w Verdugo, Marwin dinged. If Santana's quad is severe enough, that's your 40 man opening, outside of the 2 1/2 obvious BP candidates to DFA, and if he stinks, you DFA him, and then its Duran's time. If he's good, you got someone that could have been WS MVP as recently as 99 games ago, for the vet min and stayed under tax
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 7, 2021 11:20:38 GMT -5
There's about 6 guys in the system I'd rather throw out in the OF before signing him (who is hitting .201) and dropping a guy off the 40 If the option is for Duran to come up to take someone's spot, or Eaton, certainly I'd prefer Duran. If they are intent on waiting to recall Duran, and would like to give Eaton 50 ABs before doing so, I'd also be ok with that, too. I'd be surprised if he went claimed with his salary, so I'd expect you can have him for the vet minimum. But after Duran, it could buy you more time w Franchy or Rosario as that LHH bench option they've been coveting, esp w Verdugo, Marwin dinged. If Santana's quad is severe enough, that's your 40 man opening, outside of the 2 1/2 obvious BP candidates to DFA, and if he stinks, you DFA him, and then its Duran's time. If he's good, you got someone that could have been WS MVP as recently as 99 games ago, for the vet min and stayed under tax Marcus Wilson could probably come up and do what Eaton is capable of at the plate, and definitely in the field. Eaton's jump is in the 17th percentile. How much worse would a guy like Mieses do in the OF given the chance?
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 7, 2021 11:42:30 GMT -5
How about going after Joc Pederson…the Cubs are sinking
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 7, 2021 11:49:58 GMT -5
If the option is for Duran to come up to take someone's spot, or Eaton, certainly I'd prefer Duran. If they are intent on waiting to recall Duran, and would like to give Eaton 50 ABs before doing so, I'd also be ok with that, too. I'd be surprised if he went claimed with his salary, so I'd expect you can have him for the vet minimum. But after Duran, it could buy you more time w Franchy or Rosario as that LHH bench option they've been coveting, esp w Verdugo, Marwin dinged. If Santana's quad is severe enough, that's your 40 man opening, outside of the 2 1/2 obvious BP candidates to DFA, and if he stinks, you DFA him, and then its Duran's time. If he's good, you got someone that could have been WS MVP as recently as 99 games ago, for the vet min and stayed under tax Marcus Wilson could probably come up and do what Eaton is capable of at the plate, and definitely in the field. Eaton's jump is in the 17th percentile. How much worse would a guy like Mieses do in the OF given the chance? Both Wilson and Mieses are right handed, and all indications are they want a LHH bench option, no? Eaton's, and eventually Duran's presence could allow Marwin, and possibly Franchy to be their LHH 1b compliment they are seeking. All without spending the cash or prospect capital needed to acquire a vet. With Eaton you're just buying Duran more time, and Franchy some 1B time with a guy that has plenty of productive MLB experience for zero risk, because you already have plans A and B on your 40 man roster, they may just need lil bit more time proof.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2021 11:56:32 GMT -5
How about going after Joc Pederson…the Cubs are sinking So is Joc Pederson.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 7, 2021 13:29:28 GMT -5
And Chavis, not Chavez. When I make typos, they seem to come in bunches.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 7, 2021 13:48:35 GMT -5
How about going after Joc Pederson…the Cubs are sinking How bout Rizzo or Bryant??? Dosnt seem like rental hitters actually cost that much??? I’m not up for cleaning out the system or even thining it to much (not do I think the FO is), but what would be the cost for one of these guys???
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 7, 2021 19:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 7, 2021 20:38:23 GMT -5
We should teach Duran 1B
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Post by redsox3in10 on Jul 7, 2021 21:10:21 GMT -5
I can't even imagine the Red Sox entertaining that idea for a millisecond.
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