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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2021 22:02:01 GMT -5
Let's face it, promotions are one of the most exciting parts of following the farm system. We always used to have promotion watch threads but somehow they fell off. Anyway, I'm bringing it back.
A natural next point at which promotions might happen is July 16, when six players (Mieses and Lopez in Worcester, Casas, Meneses, Baldwin, and Reyes in Portland) leave for the Olympics. They're going to be gone, most likely, through at least August 9, I bet. The first elimination in the Olympic tournament will be August 3, with the tournament ending August 7. Add international travel and COVID intake procedures and it'll take a while for those guys to get back.
Primarily I see the big loss of players in Portland, where they only even have a three-man bench, as the most obvious area in need of reinforcements, so I'm keeping an eye out for:
1B Tyreque Reed to Portland
1B Joe Davis to Greenville
OF Tyler Dearden potentially to Portland (although Rivera coming back from injury might take that roster spot)
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The other area is relievers. We just saw some of them, but the following guys are angling to move up:
Portland: Seth Blair, Zack Kelly
Salem: Devon Roedahl, Ryan Fernandez, Casey Cobb, Robert Kwiatkowski
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 25, 2021 7:23:30 GMT -5
I was looking for the most appropriate thread to post in, and this seems closest. The purge of one short season team is not as noticeable this year with a short 2020 draft, and the loss of the 2020 seasons. But next year will be challenging, as I think this site must have seen when it put together its 2022 projected rosters. www.soxprospects.com/2022.htmThe most obvious example will be SS in low A, where Brainer and Mayer would naturally fit. The site has Brainer back in the FCL for another year. The consequence is that he will relegate JohnFrank Salazar to the bench, even though he looks (box scores) like he could be ready to take on the FCL. Then you get to the outfield: Interesting OFer Ugueto who is starting as an 18 YO in the FCL will have to repeat because there's no high split season team, but with other players already moving up, he is projected on paper right now to be on the bench, along with Belen, Garcia and Vaughan, three other promising players. For catchers, two higher profile signings play behind Lira, and they keep Rosario back in the DSL for another year (catchers progress slower, anyway) What started the thought on player development was the post Right now, Paulino is an interesting prospect in the FCL, but is ****projected**** to have to play in the DSL because another interesting player, Lyonell James, is ahead of him on 3b in the FCL. Now, any particular projection is just spitballing, but the overall theme is that with the loss of a short season team, a lot of interesting kids will not be where they should be. I'd have much preferred cutting the AA and AAA redundancies and combining the final narrowing of the funnel, while keeping a wide starting point. The steep funnel works for pitchers, as that FCL rotation looks killer. |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 25, 2021 7:50:50 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there ... the 2022 page generally gets updated every 10 days or so. It's been longer than that this time because I'm on the road and haven't been able to update remotely. I wouldn't put a ton of credence on the current projections, especially at the Rookie ball level.
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Post by rockymtnsox on Jul 25, 2021 9:51:29 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there ... the 2022 page generally gets updated every 10 days or so. It's been longer than that this time because I'm on the road and haven't been able to update remotely. I wouldn't put a ton of credence on the current projections, especially at the Rookie ball level. Granted, but there still is something of a logjam in the lower levels, right? How can the Sox max out their investment in Mayer, Bonaci, Paulino etc? |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 25, 2021 10:00:43 GMT -5
Jeter Downs is in a terrible slump and now hitting .201 for the Woo. He appears overmatched at that level presently. Is it time to send him 'down' for a bit?
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 25, 2021 10:07:58 GMT -5
Jeter Downs is in a terrible slump and now hitting .201 for the Woo. He appears overmatched at that level presently. Is it time to send him 'down' for a bit? The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2021 2:55:36 GMT -5
Jeter Downs is in a terrible slump and now hitting .201 for the Woo. He appears overmatched at that level presently. Is it time to send him 'down' for a bit? The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. I'd sell high. |
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 26, 2021 9:04:04 GMT -5
The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. I'd sell high. Might be to late but, yes |
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Post by fenwaydouble on Jul 26, 2021 9:34:57 GMT -5
The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. I'd sell high. The problem, of course, is that you never actually know whether you’re selling high until later. You could just as easily be selling low on Downs right now. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2021 9:48:09 GMT -5
Jeter Downs is in a terrible slump and now hitting .201 for the Woo. He appears overmatched at that level presently. Is it time to send him 'down' for a bit? The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. He's struggling but I'm not sure I'm too worried yet. He's a 22 year old in Triple A in a season after not having played a real baseball game in a year due to covid. I know everyone else in the minors went through same thing but he's still an exciting prospect to me. That being said if he can headline a deal for a difference making starter I'd be fine to trade him since I'm probably higher on Yorke than Downs. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2021 10:38:09 GMT -5
The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. He's struggling but I'm not sure I'm too worried yet. He's a 22 year old in Triple A in a season after not having played a real baseball game in a year due to covid. I know everyone else in the minors went through same thing but he's still an exciting prospect to me. That being said if he can headline a deal for a difference making starter I'd be fine to trade him since I'm probably higher on Yorke than Downs. I'm of the same mind here. It's not like he's 26 and struggling. He's only 22. Sometimes a player needs to repeat a level. Trot Nixon usually had that situation, but then he'd master it. I'm for letting Downs mastering it unless there's a really good trade to be had. Certainly, he's not untradeable, but where he's at now, you're probably not going to get as much value. He can be expendable because between Hernandez and Arroyo, 2b at the major league level should be fine for the next year or two. And I think I've seen the future of 2b and his name is Nick Yorke. I'm a big believer in him. I think ultimately he and Mayer are the keystone combination by mid-decade (2025?) |
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Post by incandenza on Jul 26, 2021 10:43:50 GMT -5
The 30% K rate and 67% contact rate are definitely not good, but he’s also running with a .154 average on balls in play in July. The struggles are real, but I’d let him play through it. I'd sell high. How the heck is it selling high when we're talking about a low BABIP-suppressed battling line for a 22-year-old who basically skipped AA? That would be... the opposite of selling high. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2021 20:01:51 GMT -5
How the heck is it selling high when we're talking about a low BABIP-suppressed battling line for a 22-year-old who basically skipped AA? That would be... the opposite of selling high. I'm not positive but I believe I saw a winking eye emoji in that post (he might have used invisible ink)? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2021 9:58:34 GMT -5
Selling high because I think he's started dropping in the national rankings. Still top 100 though but if he keeps hitting like he has been, he won't be for long.
Personally, I'm not sold. He looked seriously overmatched at ATS last year.
He should fetch an excellent return at this point, I'm not convinced about the future. Tools are there, skills aren't. BABIP can also be driven down by weak contact.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2021 15:14:36 GMT -5
With McDonough to Salem, Yorke moving up seems to be in the offing.
Plus standard slew of RPs shoving. Ryan Fernandez and Zach Bryant have both been dealing for a while now. DiValerio, Cobb as well.
Also could see Encarnacion or Gonzalez moving up to the Salem rotation.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 3, 2021 18:01:08 GMT -5
With McDonough to Salem, Yorke moving up seems to be in the offing. Plus standard slew of RPs shoving. Ryan Fernandez and Zach Bryant have both been dealing for a while now. DiValerio, Cobb as well. Also could see Encarnacion or Gonzalez moving up to the Salem rotation. If Yorke keeps up the pace at Greenville 1- could he make it to Portland this year? 2- could he break some top 100 lists? |
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 3, 2021 18:09:12 GMT -5
With McDonough to Salem, Yorke moving up seems to be in the offing. Plus standard slew of RPs shoving. Ryan Fernandez and Zach Bryant have both been dealing for a while now. DiValerio, Cobb as well. Also could see Encarnacion or Gonzalez moving up to the Salem rotation. If Yorke keeps up the pace at Greenville 1- could he make it to Portland this year? 2- could he break some top 100 lists? 1 - Not happening 2 - I could see this happening, depending on how well he shoves in Greenville. Problem is, he wasn't highly regarded in the industry, so he may have some ground top gain with the ranking website scouts. |
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Post by ramireja on Aug 3, 2021 18:17:51 GMT -5
I see industry types being pretty stingy with inclusion of Yorke on a top 100 list. His lack of secondary skills (power, speed, defense) put a ton of pressure on the bat and those usually aren't the type of guys who crack those lists.
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Post by unitspin on Aug 3, 2021 20:32:50 GMT -5
Yorke is about ready for a promotion with Gilberto along for the ride as well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2021 22:21:42 GMT -5
Yorke is about ready for a promotion with Gilberto along for the ride as well. I asked this on Twitter - why do you think Jimenez is ready for a promotion? I mean they might do it anyway but I don't get why one would predict he'd get promoted. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 4, 2021 7:50:16 GMT -5
One question I always have with promotions, if it is early enough to let the player jump to the next level in the following year (knowing way more goes into it than just putting in your time, and you cant just socially promote because it fits the plan).
There is 6 weeks left in the season so Jordan is for sure starting off in Salem next year, and Yorke in Greenville, regardless of when he gets there this year (I assume). Mayer in Salem no matter when/if he debuts this year.
Other guys who are older and a year behind due to Covid, more important for them to have a short stay at a level. For the most part, I think they really got everyone on track and was aggressive enough to 'catch up' from last year.
(edit for clarity of musings)
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Post by unitspin on Aug 4, 2021 9:36:01 GMT -5
Yorke is about ready for a promotion with Gilberto along for the ride as well. I asked this on Twitter - why do you think Jimenez is ready for a promotion? I mean they might do it anyway but I don't get why one would predict he'd get promoted. For me he has already proven that he is above this league. He has hit all season his k numbers might be a little high but him sticking another month in his given league has no added benefit to his development. Advancing him and getting a look at him at another level would be of interest to me if I was in player development. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 4, 2021 9:46:26 GMT -5
I asked this on Twitter - why do you think Jimenez is ready for a promotion? I mean they might do it anyway but I don't get why one would predict he'd get promoted. For me he has already proven that he is above this league. He has hit all season his k numbers might be a little high but him sticking another month in his given league has no added benefit to his development. Advancing him and getting a look at him at another level would be of interest to me if I was in player development. He's hitting .300/.339/.388 with a 60.7% GB rate. How do you figure he has proven he's above the league? The contact rate has been terrific, but I wouldn't mind seeing him start to impact the ball more. There's also the issue that he seems to be dealing with some sort of injury - he might be fine now but he's left games early (excluding the two recent ejections) as recently as 7/7, so would want to make sure he's fully healthy before moving him up (which he might be). That said, one reason TO move him up might be to get him hitting to better defenses that can make more plays on the groundballs he puts in play. (Moved discussion from Gameday Thread btw) |
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Post by ehaz on Aug 9, 2021 11:37:38 GMT -5
Have we heard any information about why Blaze Jordan has yet to play in Salem since his promotion? It's been 6 days now and no sign of him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 9, 2021 16:53:01 GMT -5
So i'm getting bombarded with this question on Twitter (because Jordan is internet famous).
We don't know what the deal is. I will say that Salem has prematurely posted transactions before they were official a number of times this year and it's possible that's happening again. That said - Jordan and McDonough clearly aren't in Fort Myers anymore either, so, who knows?
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