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7/15-7/18 Red Sox @ Yankees Thread
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 15, 2021 18:05:20 GMT -5
No guarantee he was going to be in the lineup tonight anyway. He was scheduled to play CF and bat 7th. Ah okay I didn’t see that the lineup was released.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 15, 2021 18:05:34 GMT -5
I'm vaccinated. I believe in Covid. This isn't political in anyway and don't want it to be. With that said, the game is played outside. We've been told the chance of transmission is incredibly low. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated should be by now. Why stop the game? Test everyone and pluck the positive players. It is kind of weird. Fans are invited into the stadium at full capacity to masklessly yell loudly in each other's faces but we can't allow players to stand near each other in the middle of a large field? Whatever you think of the wisdom of those two policies, they're hard to square with each other.
This was my first thought, too. It seems like they could still play. This isn't basketball where guys are huffing and puffing for 48 minutes or football where they're mauling each other. Just make the MFYs wear masks. They all have ugly faces anyways.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 15, 2021 18:06:25 GMT -5
This has been coming on for a while. The virus - all versions - has a latency of 10-14 days. So there's lots of chances to walk around as a carrier. And those who've been vaccinated and get it are largely asymptomatic. That combo makes for difficulties in clubhouses, journalists, fans, and so on. This stinks but it's MLB's version of the Hippocratic oath.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 18:09:33 GMT -5
Isn’t JDM purportedly not vaxxed? If so, yikes.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 18:22:29 GMT -5
Everyone agrees Duran is going yard his first AB, right? Yankee Stadium with its short right field is a great place for Duran to start his career.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 18:24:46 GMT -5
ed Sox manager Alex Cora told reporters that Tanner Houck is likely to start Wednesday against the Blue Jays. Houck will be a bullpen option for the series against the Yankees, and then will likely take the hill against Toronto for that series. The right-hander has a 12/1 K/BB ratio in 10 1/3 innings with the Red Sox with a 4.35 ERA, but missed time with a flexor muscle injury when he was sent down to Triple-A Worcester. Houck offers some streaming potential, but the Blue Jays lineup would be a risky time to use him in fantasy formats. SOURCE: Chris Cotillo on Twitter IMO keeping Houck as a starter is good for both him and the rest of the rotation. The Red Sox need to see if he is a viable option for both the playoffs and the rotation for next year.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 15, 2021 18:45:31 GMT -5
Does this mean the Yankees don't have enough to field a team? Just have them play shorthanded (it's their problem) or have them call-up some players from Somerset (NJ). Are you telling me they can't make it to the Bronx in time? Great, now we get 2 seven inning games this weekend? Are we going to be able to even play this weekend? This is BS. Get F-ing vaccinated!!! Idiots. The yankees were one of the first teams to pass MLBs 85 percent threshold for the vaccine and Cashman says that of the 6 players most were previously vaccinated. Now what "most" means who knows I'm guessing 4 of the 6 otherwise he'd probably have said all but 1 but I don't think this is necessarily a scenario to point and say idiots go get vaccinated. The Yankees are over the 85% threshold and have had 2 COVID outbreaks since. In fact, Urshela is one of the positives. He was vaccinated...then had to miss games due to a negative reaction to the vaccine...and now he has COVID. I wonder if he regrets getting the vaccine at this point??
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 15, 2021 18:45:54 GMT -5
I was so looking forward to the game tonight!!! Damn covid and all it has done to all of us. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but the fact is the vaccine is the quickest and most effective means to putting it behind us. Is it 100% no, is it perfect no. Is it best for all of us to do it for the sake of the vast majority YES!!
We are all numbers people here and I have one for you. Stop thinking 99% this or 95% that. As a country we are on the verge of 1 out of every 500 people dead. In many states it is already worse than that but country wide we are closing in on 1 out of every 500 people. Let that sink in. Their really shouldn't be an argument about it.
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Post by art on Jul 15, 2021 18:47:21 GMT -5
60 percent of our population will eat anything they're told. Curious how you can say it does not preclude one from getting Covid while advocating people to get it. If it doesn't work, why take it? None of the vaccines were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Pfizer and Moderna are 90-95% effective at preventing the disease, 99% effective at preventing serious illness and death. About 99% of people dying from Covid now are unvaccinated. Your claim that "it doesn't work" is simply wrong.
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Post by lronhoyabembe on Jul 15, 2021 18:49:56 GMT -5
Inclined to agree except for the fact that vaccination does not preclude one from getting Covid, it does however lessen the symptoms or the likelihood of hospitalization. Me, personally, I want everyone to act responsibly and get the damn vaccine. it's 2 days, 30 minutes of your life if you get the Pfizer or Moderna. If you're a dude, the chances you even have side effects are minor compared to women (something to do with women's hormonal response to the vaccine, and I'm not saying this from a sexist place). This is yet another example of we can't have nice things because 40 percent of our population eats paint chips. But I do agree, there should be a consequence for refusing science and choosing ignorance, but that is a dangerous road to walk down in any supposedly free society. Best we can hope for right about now is natural selection. Who knows, maybe another 4-7 years of this and the commensurate IQ of surviving Americans might finally trend positively.. 60 percent of our population will eat anything they're told. Curious how you can say it does not preclude one from getting Covid while advocating people to get it. If it doesn't work, why take it? Not necessarily directed at you, but I'm starting to think that many people don't really understand how a vaccine works. If you take a vaccine and it's effective then what the rest of the world does around you is immaterial. I realize that there's slightly more to it than that, but since we're all just going by one-liners and this will probably be deleted anyway, that's all the effort I'm going to exert. The vaccine essentially just trains your body to fight off a future infection. It doesn't prevent you from catching (or spreading, crucially) it, it just helps your body identify and remove the infection if you come into contact with it. While the athletes who have contracted covid will almost certainly be fine whether or not they are vaccinated, the idea is to stop the potential spread to someone who will not be fine if they contract it. Vaccination helps towards this end because the quicker the body kills the infection, the less time there is for it to spread.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 15, 2021 18:50:36 GMT -5
I'm going to write my congressfolks and suggest a new law: all the fucktards who didn't get vaccinated must partially refund their stimulus money. Half goes to infrastructure and half to subsidize free food delivery for those of us who did. Inclined to agree except for the fact that vaccination does not preclude one from getting Covid, it does however lessen the symptoms or the likelihood of hospitalization. Me, personally, I want everyone to act responsibly and get the damn vaccine. it's 2 days, 30 minutes of your life if you get the Pfizer or Moderna. If you're a dude, the chances you even have side effects are minor compared to women (something to do with women's hormonal response to the vaccine, and I'm not saying this from a sexist place). This is yet another example of we can't have nice things because 40 percent of our population eats paint chips. But I do agree, there should be a consequence for refusing science and choosing ignorance, but that is a dangerous road to walk down in any supposedly free society. Best we can hope for right about now is natural selection. Who knows, maybe another 4-7 years of this and the commensurate IQ of surviving Americans might finally trend positively.. If I am a Major League Baseball player in my 20’s and in my physical prime, there is NO WAY I would get that vaccine. Especially given a 99.998% survival rate if I DO get it. If I am 75 years old and 80 pounds overweight with diabetes, I’d be at the front of the line, however. Don’t pretend this vaccine or the threat of the virus are the same for everyone. There are a lot of different factors at play here.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 15, 2021 18:56:15 GMT -5
I guess when the moderators said cut out the vaccine chatter, that didn’t mean anything to anyone.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 15, 2021 18:58:55 GMT -5
Inclined to agree except for the fact that vaccination does not preclude one from getting Covid, it does however lessen the symptoms or the likelihood of hospitalization. Me, personally, I want everyone to act responsibly and get the damn vaccine. it's 2 days, 30 minutes of your life if you get the Pfizer or Moderna. If you're a dude, the chances you even have side effects are minor compared to women (something to do with women's hormonal response to the vaccine, and I'm not saying this from a sexist place). This is yet another example of we can't have nice things because 40 percent of our population eats paint chips. But I do agree, there should be a consequence for refusing science and choosing ignorance, but that is a dangerous road to walk down in any supposedly free society. Best we can hope for right about now is natural selection. Who knows, maybe another 4-7 years of this and the commensurate IQ of surviving Americans might finally trend positively.. If I am a Major League Baseball player in my 20’s and in my physical prime, there is NO WAY I would get that vaccine. Especially given a 99.998% survival rate if I DO get it. If I am 75 years old and 80 pounds overweight with diabetes, I’d be at the front of the line, however. Don’t pretend this vaccine or the threat of the virus are the same for everyone. There are a lot of different factors at play here. And how many people could you give it to without ever even knowing. Is that worth it if someone dies because you decided it wasn't right for you. Now multiply that by millions of people.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 15, 2021 19:01:41 GMT -5
60 percent of our population will eat anything they're told. Curious how you can say it does not preclude one from getting Covid while advocating people to get it. If it doesn't work, why take it?None of the vaccines were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Phizer and Moderna are 90-95% effective at preventing the disease, 99% effective at preventing serious illness and death. About 99% of people dying from Covid now are unvaccinated. Your claim that "it doesn't work" is simply wrong. Some people who don't drink get into car wrecks. If driving sober doesn't prevent accidents, why drive sober? Whatever. More importantly, we could be seeing the end of the MFY season here. I don't take them seriously as a contender under any circumstances because they're not good enough. But if Judge is out for any length of time, that offense goes from unimpressive to pop-gun. They have a team OPS-plus of 98 and that's with his 147. They're 23rd in runs scored. Their chances of getting back in the race without Judge would be non-existent.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 15, 2021 19:02:41 GMT -5
I guess when the moderators said cut out the vaccine chatter, that didn’t mean anything to anyone. Maybe you are right and then maybe this is one of the most important conversations we will ever have in our lifetime. I consider the people here some of the more intelligent people I converse with regularly. Not having conversations has implications also.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 15, 2021 19:02:57 GMT -5
60 percent of our population will eat anything they're told. Curious how you can say it does not preclude one from getting Covid while advocating people to get it. If it doesn't work, why take it? None of the vaccines were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Phizer and Moderna are 90-95% effective at preventing the disease, 99% effective at preventing serious illness and death. About 99% of people dying from Covid now are unvaccinated. Your claim that "it doesn't work" is simply wrong. It seems to be very ineffective in baseball players, at least.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 19:03:03 GMT -5
Incidentally, I just saw a clip of Scott Gottlieb projecting this new covid wave; he was saying the models expected it to peak around late September. That could certainly end up making a giant mess of the post-season.
For context, here's what's happening with covid cases in the UK, which has a higher vaccination rate than the US and where the Delta variant has had longer to take root.
Sigh.
I'm going to write my congressfolks and suggest a new law: all the fucktards who didn't get vaccinated must partially refund their stimulus money. Half goes to infrastructure and half to subsidize free food delivery for those of us who did. Save your “fucktard” opinions for a different site. This site is for baseball!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 15, 2021 19:05:29 GMT -5
I guess when the moderators said cut out the vaccine chatter, that didn’t mean anything to anyone. Maybe you are right and then maybe this is one of the most important conversations we will ever have in our lifetime. I consider the people here some of the more intelligent people I converse with regularly. Not having conversations has implications also. People have made up their minds on this subject and I don’t think anything said here will alter it. Why try?
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Post by benzinger on Jul 15, 2021 19:06:16 GMT -5
None of the vaccines were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Phizer and Moderna are 90-95% effective at preventing the disease, 99% effective at preventing serious illness and death. About 99% of people dying from Covid now are unvaccinated. Your claim that "it doesn't work" is simply wrong. Some people who don't drink get into car wrecks. If driving sober doesn't prevent accidents, why drive sober? Whatever. More importantly, we could be seeing the end of the MFY season here. I don't take them seriously as a contender under any circumstances because they're not good enough. But if Judge is out for any length of time, that offense goes from unimpressive to pop-gun. They have a team OPS-plus of 98 and that's with his 147. They're 23rd in runs scored. Their chances of getting back in the race without Judge would be non-existent. Just look at the 4 starters they had lined up this weekend. We know Cole is elite, but Montgomery, German and Taillon are all mediocre, at best. And that is the best they can do. Hard to take them seriously this year given that. Cashman really blew it pushing all his chips in for Taillon and Kluber. And most of us saw that coming a mile away.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 19:07:25 GMT -5
I'm going to write my congressfolks and suggest a new law: all the fucktards who didn't get vaccinated must partially refund their stimulus money. Half goes to infrastructure and half to subsidize free food delivery for those of us who did. I was tested 10 times (my wife is a VA nurse and was exposed almost weekly) and was negative every time. We both got vaccinated and I refuse to be locked down again. Plenty of evidence the effectiveness was nil or even worse than not locking down. And the mental health and other health implications have been horrific. I swear I'll move my whole family to Tennessee, Florida or Texas before going through that crap ever again. Totally agree!
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2021 19:09:12 GMT -5
Alright folks, let’s try to keep the discussion to this specific situation and avoid discussions of vaccines and COVID in general. I know that’s a hard line to walk, but please do try. Thanks.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 15, 2021 19:09:16 GMT -5
I guess when the moderators said cut out the vaccine chatter, that didn’t mean anything to anyone. Maybe you are right and then maybe this is one of the most important conversations we will ever have in our lifetime. I consider the people here some of the more intelligent people I converse with regularly. Not having conversations has implications also. Actually on second thought nobody is going to change anyone else's thoughts on the matter so maybe it is a moot point. But maybe just maybe something is said that makes someone think yeah maybe it is a good idea that I get vaccinated, if not for me but for someone else and it saves someones life, somewhere. One out of every 500 people is a lot.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2021 19:10:30 GMT -5
Instead of getting to watch and discuss the debut of a guy a lot of have been waiting for we get the covid vaccine talk. SMH, disappointing Thursday night. That'll be it for me tonight hopefully we have some baseball to talk about tomorrow.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 19:10:46 GMT -5
I'm going to write my congressfolks and suggest a new law: all the fucktards who didn't get vaccinated must partially refund their stimulus money. Half goes to infrastructure and half to subsidize free food delivery for those of us who did. Inclined to agree except for the fact that vaccination does not preclude one from getting Covid, it does however lessen the symptoms or the likelihood of hospitalization. Me, personally, I want everyone to act responsibly and get the damn vaccine. it's 2 days, 30 minutes of your life if you get the Pfizer or Moderna. If you're a dude, the chances you even have side effects are minor compared to women (something to do with women's hormonal response to the vaccine, and I'm not saying this from a sexist place). This is yet another example of we can't have nice things because 40 percent of our population eats paint chips. But I do agree, there should be a consequence for refusing science and choosing ignorance, but that is a dangerous road to walk down in any supposedly free society. Best we can hope for right about now is natural selection. Who knows, maybe another 4-7 years of this and the commensurate IQ of surviving Americans might finally trend positively.. THE VACCINES ARE NOT FDA APPROVED!! YOU ARE A LAB RAT! Can the moderates please moderate us back to baseball
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Post by dd on Jul 15, 2021 19:13:51 GMT -5
Inclined to agree except for the fact that vaccination does not preclude one from getting Covid, it does however lessen the symptoms or the likelihood of hospitalization. Me, personally, I want everyone to act responsibly and get the damn vaccine. it's 2 days, 30 minutes of your life if you get the Pfizer or Moderna. If you're a dude, the chances you even have side effects are minor compared to women (something to do with women's hormonal response to the vaccine, and I'm not saying this from a sexist place). This is yet another example of we can't have nice things because 40 percent of our population eats paint chips. But I do agree, there should be a consequence for refusing science and choosing ignorance, but that is a dangerous road to walk down in any supposedly free society. Best we can hope for right about now is natural selection. Who knows, maybe another 4-7 years of this and the commensurate IQ of surviving Americans might finally trend positively.. If I am a Major League Baseball player in my 20’s and in my physical prime, there is NO WAY I would get that vaccine. Especially given a 99.998% survival rate if I DO get it. If I am 75 years old and 80 pounds overweight with diabetes, I’d be at the front of the line, however. Don’t pretend this vaccine or the threat of the virus are the same for everyone. There are a lot of different factors at play here. If it were all about the individual who doesn't get vaccinated, then fine. There are two other aspects of this though. 1. If you are not vaccinated you (i.e. the impersonal "you", not referring to you, benzinger) raise your chance of getting the disease (whether you're sick or not) and spreading it to others who may become very sick or worse. 2. In addition, if you get COVID-19 you automatically become an incubator. You will have several hundred million copies of the virus in you and your body will be making copies of them constantly. The copying process is not 100% accurate so you could win the lottery and be the patient who gives birth to a new more contagious and more lethal variant. In short, to those who just don't want to get the vaccine, my reply is "It's not all about you!".
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