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7/20 Gameday Thread: Let's Go Sale Watching in Maine
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 20, 2021 17:44:15 GMT -5
Cordero in the OF again tonight - hasn't played 1B since last Tuesday (granted there are rainouts in there). Looks like that experiment might be over. Josh Ockimey has been on a tear for the past week. Plus Santana got a rehab start at 1B. Don’t know how much that plays into anything.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 20, 2021 17:45:46 GMT -5
Top half of the Harrisburg lineup is decent. Bottom 4 are all hitting below the Mendoza line though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 20, 2021 17:47:15 GMT -5
Cordero in the OF again tonight - hasn't played 1B since last Tuesday (granted there are rainouts in there). Looks like that experiment might be over. Josh Ockimey has been on a tear for the past week. Plus Santana got a rehab start at 1B. Don’t know how much that plays into anything. This is a fair point, but you could also DH Ockimey. At this point, I don't think Ockimey is going to push Cordero off 1B if they really want him to get work there, even if Ockimey is hitting well. You have reminded me that I think the original lineup in the Santana rehab game had Cordero at 1B and Santana in CF though, and then they moved Santana to 1B.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 20, 2021 17:50:50 GMT -5
Top half of the Harrisburg lineup is decent. Bottom 4 are all hitting below the Mendoza line though. He's consistently throwing 96 mph and topping at 98 with an 88 mph slider, I don't really care what the opposing lineup batting avg is to be honest with you.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 20, 2021 17:55:17 GMT -5
Stuff-wise, Sale is 100% ready for Boston. He just left after 3.2 IP and was NASTY. Only threw 50 pitches so all that’s really left for him is to build back up. Wonder how many more starts that will take.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 20, 2021 17:57:30 GMT -5
My guess is two more starts just to build his pitch count back to 85-90 pitchs.
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Post by lonborgski on Jul 20, 2021 17:59:03 GMT -5
I’m curious and I couldn’t answer this going back more than a couple years. Has Portland (or the system in general) had a game with this much draw to it before? I’m trying to think of a major star rehabbing or maybe the first game at a level for a top prospect but I can’t think of anything that tops these circumstances. Chris Sale making his first rehab start (that people can/will really attend in large numbers) coming back from TJ to give the 1st place Red Sox a late season surge? That’s hard to top. Am I missing anything? I went to see David Ortiz rehabbing in Portland in --- (I'm too old to remember), but do remember sitting in the rain for a very long time until, I think, the game was called--then Ortiz rehabbed in Pawtucket the next day! Also, who was the Sox player that was to rehab in Portland on a summer Sunday afternoon and thought it would take two hours to drive from Boston--he turned around at the Hampton toll booth at about 1:00 pm. Also memorable was September 11, 2015, playoff game against Trenton; I went to see Craig Hansen, the closer of the future, picked that year at number 26, after Ellsbury at 23 and before Buchholz at 42 and Lowrie at 45. I got a seat directly behind home plate and Hansen threw 97 and and 1, 2, 3 ninth. Hanley had an assist on the last out, Brandon Moss had a home run, and Wade Miller made a rehab start. The 2005 Sea Dogs had Pedroia, Lester, Papelbon, Delcarmen, David Murphy, Moss, Hanley and Anibal Sanchez at one time or another. Also, looking at my long-time, little-used, signature, Eric is losing his snark--but Maura Tierney and Liv Tyler are probably grandmothers by now, so he's allowed.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 20, 2021 18:03:35 GMT -5
Stuff-wise, Sale is 100% ready for Boston. He just left after 3.2 IP and was NASTY. Only threw 50 pitches so all that’s really left for him is to build back up. Wonder how many more starts that will take. On MLB Radio today Cora said something about 3 weeks. 25th, 30th, 4th, MLB return on the 9th?
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Post by nomar on Jul 20, 2021 18:15:36 GMT -5
Why aren’t Sale and Granberg in our top 10?
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 20, 2021 18:31:44 GMT -5
Stuff-wise, Sale is 100% ready for Boston. He just left after 3.2 IP and was NASTY. Only threw 50 pitches so all that’s really left for him is to build back up. Wonder how many more starts that will take. On MLB Radio today Cora said something about 3 weeks. 25th, 30th, 4th, MLB return on the 9th? I am sure you are right, but wouldn't Sale throwing 70 pitches his next start be more valuable than a couple of the Red Sox current starters? Have him pitch the same day with Houck or Whitlock. I get that he isn't going to be ready to go 6 or 7 innings his next couple of starts, but after he has rested from this start aren't the Red Sox better off with him than they are with Rios?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 20, 2021 18:32:50 GMT -5
Keeping the Boogeyman's pitches from mattering for 3 more starts kinda feels like lighting some WAR on fire just my opinion.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 20, 2021 18:36:55 GMT -5
Portland rehab assignments: 2019: May - Pedroia 2x (this was the one where Pedroia played in one game and removed himself), Holt, Johnson 2018: August - Vazquez, ERod; June - Thornburg; May - Maddox, Thornburg; April - Poyner, Pomeranz 2017: August - Barnes, Carson Smith; July - Elias, Holt; June - ERod; May - Holt; April - Rutledge 2016: August - Hanigan, Workman; April - Smith 2015: August - Betts; July - Swihart; June - Victorino, Hanigan, Masterson; May - Victorino 2014: August - Kelly Johnson; July - Lavarnway; June - Doubront; May - Wright 2013: August - David Ross, Franklin Morales; July - Stephen Drew; May - Ross, Morales; April - Breslow 2012: Highlights included Ellsbury, Crawford, Dice-K 2011: Literally just one: Bobby Jenks 2010: Jeremy Hermida, Mike Cameron, Manny Delcarmen 2009: Dice-K, Lowrie, Smoltz 2008: I think none 2007: Again I think none Big takeaways: They definitely used Pawtucket more than Portland from 2013 onward (seems like 2012 they used it more, and that's the year I stopped), and I had forgotten how often they used Lowell for rehab assignments. Also they had rehab assignments end without the guy getting activated more often than I remembered. The 2012 rehabs were probably the last ones of this magnitude but of course those weren't in a winning year like this. 2019 Pedroia ones were early enough that they were big but they were stop/start. I know there's no way you remembered this off the top of your head but the fact that you have it on hand is still impressive, is it readily available somewhere or do you keep notes yourself?
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 20, 2021 19:31:47 GMT -5
On MLB Radio today Cora said something about 3 weeks. 25th, 30th, 4th, MLB return on the 9th? I am sure you are right, but wouldn't Sale throwing 70 pitches his next start be more valuable than a couple of the Red Sox current starters? Have him pitch the same day with Houck or Whitlock. I get that he isn't going to be ready to go 6 or 7 innings his next couple of starts, but after he has rested from this start aren't the Red Sox better off with him than they are with Rios? Fifty pitches against AA hitters probably is not the challenge the Sox want to see Sale facing before throwing him into the rotation. Even if he were going into the pen in long relief, Sale would be asked to pitch to a better brand of merchandise before going active. In Spring Training, it usually takes pitchers about five starts to be ready to start the season. And even then, they are limited in their pitch counts. I get the point, and I am as anxious as anybody for him to be back. Hell, I wanted him back now so the Sox could package one of their starters as part of a deal for a real 1B. But I also get why they are taking their sweet time with him. If he is back with 50 days to go in the season and he is ready, that is 9 or 10 starts. Think about a playoff rotation with Sale, ERod and Nate at their best. With Houk and Whitlock in long relief, and Perez and Pivetta being used in whatever way Cora sees fit. That is a recipe to be competitive to the end. But to quote Abbott and Costello, Who's on first?
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 20, 2021 20:32:35 GMT -5
So Luis De La Rosa came on in relief tonight…kind of? The pitching for the FCL team has been a disaster so far. Loubier started but didn’t make it out of the first inning. I don’t know if it was a planned thing for De La Rosa to follow him later in the game to get them both innings, but he didn’t get out of his inning either. Currently sitting on a very ugly, very SSS 81.00 ERA.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 20, 2021 20:42:07 GMT -5
Portland rehab assignments: 2019: May - Pedroia 2x (this was the one where Pedroia played in one game and removed himself), Holt, Johnson 2018: August - Vazquez, ERod; June - Thornburg; May - Maddox, Thornburg; April - Poyner, Pomeranz 2017: August - Barnes, Carson Smith; July - Elias, Holt; June - ERod; May - Holt; April - Rutledge 2016: August - Hanigan, Workman; April - Smith 2015: August - Betts; July - Swihart; June - Victorino, Hanigan, Masterson; May - Victorino 2014: August - Kelly Johnson; July - Lavarnway; June - Doubront; May - Wright 2013: August - David Ross, Franklin Morales; July - Stephen Drew; May - Ross, Morales; April - Breslow 2012: Highlights included Ellsbury, Crawford, Dice-K 2011: Literally just one: Bobby Jenks 2010: Jeremy Hermida, Mike Cameron, Manny Delcarmen 2009: Dice-K, Lowrie, Smoltz 2008: I think none 2007: Again I think none Big takeaways: They definitely used Pawtucket more than Portland from 2013 onward (seems like 2012 they used it more, and that's the year I stopped), and I had forgotten how often they used Lowell for rehab assignments. Also they had rehab assignments end without the guy getting activated more often than I remembered. The 2012 rehabs were probably the last ones of this magnitude but of course those weren't in a winning year like this. 2019 Pedroia ones were early enough that they were big but they were stop/start. I know there's no way you remembered this off the top of your head but the fact that you have it on hand is still impressive, is it readily available somewhere or do you keep notes yourself? CTRL+F for "rehab" on the transactions pages here on the site.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 20, 2021 21:16:17 GMT -5
Stephen Scott with a walkoff 2-out hit for Salem to win the game.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 20, 2021 21:46:44 GMT -5
The FCL game is STILL going on. Three position players have pitched already (Herbert, Perez, and Feliz). Good news: Bonaci is 3-3 with 2 walks and Vaughn has 2 HRs.
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Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2021 21:59:32 GMT -5
Not the best days from LDLR and Loubier
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 20, 2021 22:08:31 GMT -5
I think I know why LDLR hasn't been starting.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 20, 2021 22:10:45 GMT -5
The FCL game is STILL going on. Three position players have pitched already (Herbert, Perez, and Feliz). Good news: Bonaci is 3-3 with 2 walks and Vaughn has 2 HRs. And now the game is delayed...the reason is "Power".
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 20, 2021 22:15:49 GMT -5
Brainer Bonaci is currently hitting .256/.452/.435.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 20, 2021 22:16:20 GMT -5
I think I know why LDLR hasn't been starting. He started a game at the start of their season that was suspended because of rain and hasn't pitched since so this is his first official appearance. My guess is he was dealing with a minor injury in between.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 20, 2021 22:28:38 GMT -5
Brainer Bonaci is currently hitting .256/.452/.435. Marcelo who?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 20, 2021 22:44:11 GMT -5
Stuff-wise, Sale is 100% ready for Boston. He just left after 3.2 IP and was NASTY. Only threw 50 pitches so all that’s really left for him is to build back up. Wonder how many more starts that will take. On MLB Radio today Cora said something about 3 weeks. 25th, 30th, 4th, MLB return on the 9th? On 7/30 and 8/4, the Sox are on the road, then they return home (vs. TB) on the 8/10 (8/9 is an off day). Not sure how much home/road figures into their thinking for his first start back, in terms of home clubhouse and other resources.
On 8/7, BOS will play a double header (in Toronto?) to make up for today's rain out (in Buffalo). Therefore, they could probably use an extra pitcher in the few days after that (although there is the off day on 8/9).
Another factor in not rushing Sale back might be the fact that they will need to clear both a 26- and 40-man roster spot for him. It's possible that they would prefer to do this after the 7/30 trade deadline. However, the trade deadline is 4pm on 7/30 and the game on 7/30 in Tampa starts at 7:10 pm, so this factor would only affect a potential return this Saturday (at Fenway vs. the MFYs), which doesn't seem to be in the offing anyway.
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 20, 2021 22:46:07 GMT -5
Not the best days from LDLR and Loubier LDLR's 6 ER on 11 pitches has got to be some sort of record.
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