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Post by incandenza on Jul 29, 2021 22:20:30 GMT -5
Ok, ngl, that made me lol. Can't argue with the bat though. 25 bombs from the left side, we all said they needed more pop from the left side, we just assumed it'd be at 1B. If he can play 1st this is a great deal, even having to give up Aldo. It definitely shuffles the lineup a bit, curious to see how it all falls out here. Actually, we didn't assume it would be at 1B, or that it had to be, or that it had to be Rizzo, or any of the other things that some people were assuming until like 5 seconds ago. Which is one reason that we were content to see what Bloom did before jumping to any conclusions.
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2021 22:21:24 GMT -5
I think of it as he has a $3M bonus and then an $8.5M mutual option. That doesn't make sense to me. What happens if he wants to test the market (a lock, barring injury)? I'm reading you as saying the Red Sox would pay him $3 million in this scenario and then he is a free agent. Yes, I think that is how it would work. He’d decline the mutual option, get the $3M buyout and become a free agent.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 29, 2021 22:21:44 GMT -5
This was a great trade. We have him ranked way to high on here hes closer to our number 15th prospect. Schwarber will rake here and learn 1st. He just looks like hes a Sox. I love Bloom!
Kiké Devers Bogaerts Martinez Schwarber Renfroe Verdugo
Thatâs as solid as 1-7 will ever get. Appreciate this man! Instead of overpaying for someone he grabbed the bat we need and we can figure out where he plays. He came up as a catcher. Catchers move to 1st with ease. Rizzo was there so he had to move to OF. LFG!!!!
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Post by incandenza on Jul 29, 2021 22:22:30 GMT -5
Damn it, the Royals are too dumb to know what's good for them, and it bites us. I would've liked Santana.
But Schwarber is an interesting way to go, maybe it'll be for the best...
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 29, 2021 22:22:33 GMT -5
I think of it as he has a $3M bonus and then an $8.5M mutual option. That doesn't make sense to me. What happens if he wants to test the market (a lock, barring injury)? I'm reading you as saying the Red Sox would pay him $3 million in this scenario and then he is a free agent. If the Sox don't want him, he gets the $3M. If they do, he can accept the $11M or turn it down and declare free agency.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 29, 2021 22:22:56 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense to me. What happens if he wants to test the market (a lock, barring injury)? I'm reading you as saying the Red Sox would pay him $3 million in this scenario and then he is a free agent. Yes, I think that is how it would work. He’d decline the mutual option, get the $3M buyout and become a free agent. Are you certain on this? My understanding is if the Red Sox pick up the option but he declines they don’t have to pay the buyout, that’s just if they decline it.
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Post by azblue on Jul 29, 2021 22:23:18 GMT -5
Boston Globe headline may provide information about where Schwarber will play: "Red Sox acquire first baseman Kyle Schwarber"
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 29, 2021 22:24:07 GMT -5
Ok, ngl, that made me lol. Can't argue with the bat though. 25 bombs from the left side, we all said they needed more pop from the left side, we just assumed it'd be at 1B. If he can play 1st this is a great deal, even having to give up Aldo. It definitely shuffles the lineup a bit, curious to see how it all falls out here. Actually, we didn't assume it would be at 1B, or that it had to be, or that it had to be Rizzo, or any of the other things that some people were assuming until like 5 seconds ago. Which is one reason that we were content to see what Bloom did before jumping to any conclusions. I still would've done the Rizzo deal, so I dunno why you're in here trying to pick fights. Enjoy your night!
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2021 22:24:20 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense to me. What happens if he wants to test the market (a lock, barring injury)? I'm reading you as saying the Red Sox would pay him $3 million in this scenario and then he is a free agent. Yes, I think that is how it would work. He’d decline the mutual option, get the $3M buyout and become a free agent. Would this retroactively decrease the 2021 luxury tax number by $3 million, adding it to 2022?
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Post by juanpena on Jul 29, 2021 22:24:29 GMT -5
So to put things in perspective:
Kyle Schwarber: 1.8 fWAR, 138 wRC+ Anthony Rizzo: 1.0 fWAR, 115 wRC+
Return for Rizzo from the Yankees: Alcantara (50 FV), Vizcaino (45 FV) Return for Schwarber from Red Sox: Ramirez (40+ FV)
Schwarber has a mutual option for next season too.
Schwarber will undoubtedly decline the option. Both teams need a first baseman: Rizzo is a first baseman, Schwarber has never played there. Rizzo will probably be in the Yankees lineup tomorrow. Schwarber is at least two weeks from playing, in a span in which 6 of the Sox next 12 are against the Rays.
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2021 22:25:50 GMT -5
Yes, I think that is how it would work. He’d decline the mutual option, get the $3M buyout and become a free agent. Are you certain on this? My understanding is if the Red Sox pick up the option but he declines they don’t have to pay the buyout, that’s just if they decline it. Maybe you’re right. It’s too late and my brain is mush from the other thread.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 22:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 29, 2021 22:26:51 GMT -5
This definitely doesn’t help the 40-man crunch if he opts in next year. But can’t look ahead…win in 2021.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 29, 2021 22:29:26 GMT -5
This definitely doesn’t help the 40-man crunch if he opts in next year. But can’t look ahead…win in 2021. Workman got DFA
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 29, 2021 22:29:33 GMT -5
This definitely doesn’t help the 40-man crunch if he opts in next year. But can’t look ahead…win in 2021. perfect replacement if jd opts out no?
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2021 22:29:44 GMT -5
“So tell me are we better off with Kyle or Anthony “ “It’s close , but technically Kyle” “Then what are we worried about”
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 29, 2021 22:31:22 GMT -5
And Workman gets DFA'd to clear a spot on the 40. Not a surprise.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 29, 2021 22:31:46 GMT -5
So to put things in perspective:
Kyle Schwarber: 1.8 fWAR, 138 wRC+ Anthony Rizzo: 1.0 fWAR, 115 wRC+
Return for Rizzo from the Yankees: Alcantara (50 FV), Vizcaino (45 FV) Return for Schwarber from Red Sox: Ramirez (40+ FV)
Schwarber has a mutual option for next season too.
Schwarber will undoubtedly decline the option. Both teams need a first baseman: Rizzo is a first baseman, Schwarber has never played there. Rizzo will probably be in the Yankees lineup tomorrow. Schwarber is at least two weeks from playing, in a span in which 6 of the Sox next 12 are against the Rays. Fair points. I still really like Schwarber at the price we paid and would've really disliked Rizzo at the price we would've had to pay.
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Post by elp51 on Jul 29, 2021 22:31:48 GMT -5
This guy is a huge LH power hitter but he's hurt and is horrible defensively. He will have to DH until healthy forcing JD to play left more. I suppose he could work on playing 1B but you can’t just stick him there to play a position he is not familiar with. Ask Christian Arroyo what's that like. Still its another power bat in the lineup who equals what the Yankees did with Rizzo or Gallo. Good start see what Mr. Bloom does tomorrow for the rotation and bullpen. Would have liked Hudson attached to this deal.
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2021 22:32:12 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 29, 2021 22:32:31 GMT -5
This guy is a huge LH power hitter but he's hurt and is horrible defensively. He will have to DH until healthy forcing JD to play left more. I suppose he could work on playing 1B but you can’t just stick him there to play a position he is not familiar with. Ask Christian Arroyo what's that like. Still its another power bat in the lineup who equals what the Yankees did with Rizzo or Gallo. Good start see what Mr. Bloom does tomorrow for the rotation and bullpen. Would have liked Hudson attached to this deal. Hudson is in SD
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 29, 2021 22:35:35 GMT -5
No more where is Waldo threads.
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Post by juanpena on Jul 29, 2021 22:36:38 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B That would weaken the outfield defense in left and right in two-thirds of the games with an inexperienced rookie in center.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 22:36:47 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense to me. What happens if he wants to test the market (a lock, barring injury)? I'm reading you as saying the Red Sox would pay him $3 million in this scenario and then he is a free agent. Yes, I think that is how it would work. He’d decline the mutual option, get the $3M buyout and become a free agent. Does he get the buyout if he declines the option? Usually it's a "buyout" because the team declines a club option and has to buy him out. Can't recall ever seeing it in a mutual option. If he declines his side, hasn't he also declined the buyout? There's always something you've never seen in baseball...
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 29, 2021 22:37:15 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B He will have to learn 1st base Kiké 2nd Devers 3rd Bogaerts SS JD Martinez DH Schwarber 1st Renfroe RF Verdugo LF Vazquez C Duran CF That lineup is so sexy! Of course you can move Kiké around to give Arroyo some ABs. Dalbec can spell Devers and Schwarber. Kyle can DH and JD can play LF. We can do so many things but that should be our most used lineup.
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