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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2021 22:37:27 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B ...still a big defensive downgrade compared to the “just stick Schwarber at 1B” approach, though.
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Post by danr on Jul 29, 2021 22:38:04 GMT -5
Very strange. Having a great year at the plate, but strictly a LF and not that good a defensive one.
Never a good hitter in high leverage until this year, where his clutch splits are great. That suggests the Nats may have made some kind of tweak to him ... did they also teach him 1B on the side?
I like it if he can play 1B (and he is an ex-catcher). You'd platoon him with Arroyo or Dalbec, though.
He is 28 years old, which is the average age for players to have their best seasons, and sure enough he was in the process of having his best season when he got injured. Since he doesn't exactly fit in, is there another move coming?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2021 22:38:36 GMT -5
Okay, I think Eric and Scotty's explanation of the mutual option makes sense.
What are the luxury tax implications of the buyout?
Say he wants to test the market. The Red Sox promise to buy him out if he accepts the option. My not-really-knowing-how-this-works read is that this could lower the team's 2021 luxury tax number. Is that right?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 22:39:36 GMT -5
I remember Scott Hatteberg converting from catcher to 1b. He had all winter and a full spring training to learn 1b.
Is Schwarber supposed to figure out 1b in 2 weeks?
If they stick him at 1b I hope he's not another Dick Stuart. Probably not, but still if he's bad at 1b that would mess up the infield defense.
I prefer the defense of Verdugo in lf, duran oy Hernandez in cf and renfroe in rf.
Schwarber works out if he can manage 1b. Otherwise they still have a 1b issue.
What happend if the Sox want Schwarber to dh if Martinez leaves? How does the mutual option work? Is this a scenario where they only have him for late Aug, Sept and Oct and that's it?
Aldo Ramirez is the best lower level pitching lottery ticket they had?
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2021 22:41:06 GMT -5
He can play first better than Dalbec has, it’s not exactly a high bar
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Post by incandenza on Jul 29, 2021 22:42:03 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B That would weaken the outfield defense in left and right in two-thirds of the games with an inexperienced rookie in center. Seems to me Verdugo was a lot better in RF last year than he has been in LF this year, though I don't know if that's because he has a better feel for the position or because he's been kind of banged up this year.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 29, 2021 22:42:11 GMT -5
Speier: "Schwarber has never played first base in the big leagues, but the Red Sox are open to see how he can handle the position. He’s also expected to see playing time in the outfield and at designated hitter."
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 29, 2021 22:44:01 GMT -5
Lefty outfielder with zero games at first base? Don't really get it. Not a fan of this move. Hope Aldo isn't somebody they regret losing. Schwarber isn't a guy I was hoping we'd get. Aldo Ramirez - Oh no! That’s going to mess up the Farm System for this years team!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 22:44:04 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B ...still a big defensive downgrade compared to the âjust stick Schwarber at 1Bâ approach, though. Not a fan of taking a guy with great center of the diamond skills like Kiké and wasting him at 1b while Schwarber makes the outfield defense less good.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 22:45:58 GMT -5
Boston Globe headline may provide information about where Schwarber will play: "Red Sox acquire first baseman Kyle Schwarber" That's some pretty good reporting considering he's played exactly one inning at 1B in his life. I wonder if the Red Sox (who, full disclosure, own part of the Globe) gave them that description of him... Still, lots of catchers, like Nap, Mauer, and yes, Scott Hatteburg, have made seamless transitions up the first base line. I'm most concerned about the hammy. I wonder if that affected his price tag (i.e. maybe he's not ready for a few more weeks?). Also, 1B can be a hammy-intensive position although it's his right hammy that's recovering and as a right-handed thrower, he'll have his right foot on the bag while his left leg does the stretching.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 22:46:14 GMT -5
Not a fan of this move. Hope Aldo isn't somebody they regret losing. Schwarber isn't a guy I was hoping we'd get. Aldo Ramirez - Oh no! That’s going to mess up the Farm System for this years team! If Schwarber can't play 1b what's the point of potentially renting him for less than 3 mpnths? That's more my issue with the deal than losing Aldo Ramirez.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 22:47:54 GMT -5
This guy is a huge LH power hitter but he's hurt and is horrible defensively. He will have to DH until healthy forcing JD to play left more. I suppose he could work on playing 1B but you can’t just stick him there to play a position he is not familiar with. Ask Christian Arroyo what's that like. Still its another power bat in the lineup who equals what the Yankees did with Rizzo or Gallo. Good start see what Mr. Bloom does tomorrow for the rotation and bullpen. Would have liked Hudson attached to this deal. Hudson is in SD Latest news is that a deal "has been agreed upon." How'd that workout with Scherzer?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2021 22:47:57 GMT -5
Everyone was real upset about the Nelson Cruz pickup for the Rays. Schwarber's batting projection is pretty close to Cruz's. And he can fake it in the field. And the Rays gave up a much better prospect haul.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 29, 2021 22:49:24 GMT -5
I remember Scott Hatteberg converting from catcher to 1b. He had all winter and a full spring training to learn 1b. Is Schwarber supposed to figure out 1b in 2 weeks? If they stick him at 1b I hope he's not another Dick Stuart. Probably not, but still if he's bad at 1b that would mess up the infield defense. I prefer the defense of Verdugo in lf, duran oy Hernandez in cf and renfroe in rf. Schwarber works out if he can manage 1b. Otherwise they still have a 1b issue. What happend if the Sox want Schwarber to dh if Martinez leaves? How does the mutual option work? Is this a scenario where they only have him for late Aug, Sept and Oct and that's it? Aldo Ramirez is the best lower level pitching lottery ticket they had?I think the lower guys have more power to pop they just need more exposure, talking about Perales, Nathael Cruz and Wilkerman but obviously Aldo was further in his process so he is ranked higher but there are few lower level guys with stuff to really pop once they are seen more.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 29, 2021 22:51:52 GMT -5
Aldo Ramirez - Oh no! That’s going to mess up the Farm System for this years team! If Schwarber can't play 1b what's the point of potentially renting him for less than 3 mpnths? That's more my issue with the deal than losing Aldo Ramirez. He calls the prospects "suspects" and just posts trade proposals for crappy LHH with team control.
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2021 22:53:58 GMT -5
Everyone was real upset about the Nelson Cruz pickup for the Rays. Schwarber's batting projection is pretty close to Cruz's. And he can fake it in the field. And the Rays gave up a much better prospect haul. Feels like a Bloom trade. Great value, very talented player, cheaper than he should be because he’s currently on the DL, we’ll figure out the fit later.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 22:54:29 GMT -5
Not a fan of this move. Hope Aldo isn't somebody they regret losing. Schwarber isn't a guy I was hoping we'd get. Aldo Ramirez - Oh no! That’s going to mess up the Farm System for this years team! Dave Dombrowski Jr.
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Post by juanpena on Jul 29, 2021 22:54:57 GMT -5
That would weaken the outfield defense in left and right in two-thirds of the games with an inexperienced rookie in center. Seems to me Verdugo was a lot better in RF last year than he has been in LF this year, though I don't know if that's because he has a better feel for the position or because he's been kind of banged up this year. Maybe he would be OK in right, but Renfroe is terrific defensively, and you need that in Fenway's RF.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 29, 2021 22:57:50 GMT -5
If Schwarber can't play 1b what's the point of potentially renting him for less than 3 mpnths? That's more my issue with the deal than losing Aldo Ramirez. He calls the prospects "suspects" and just posts trade proposals for crappy LHH with team control. I would of preferred Raimel Tapia as an OF acquisition, he can steal a base
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 22:58:00 GMT -5
I remember Scott Hatteberg converting from catcher to 1b. He had all winter and a full spring training to learn 1b. Is Schwarber supposed to figure out 1b in 2 weeks? If they stick him at 1b I hope he's not another Dick Stuart. Probably not, but still if he's bad at 1b that would mess up the infield defense. I prefer the defense of Verdugo in lf, duran oy Hernandez in cf and renfroe in rf. Schwarber works out if he can manage 1b. Otherwise they still have a 1b issue. What happend if the Sox want Schwarber to dh if Martinez leaves? How does the mutual option work? Is this a scenario where they only have him for late Aug, Sept and Oct and that's it? Aldo Ramirez is the best lower level pitching lottery ticket they had?I think the lower guys have more power to pop they just need more exposure, talking about Perales, Nathael Cruz and Wilkerman but obviously Aldo was further in his process so he is ranked higher but there are few lower level guys with stuff to really pop once they are seen more. Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to know. I know they added De La Rosa from KC. His debut was not good. They also drafted Elmer in the 4th round this year. I know he's quite young.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2021 22:58:09 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming.
LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 22:58:41 GMT -5
If Schwarber can't play 1b what's the point of potentially renting him for less than 3 mpnths? That's more my issue with the deal than losing Aldo Ramirez. He calls the prospects "suspects" and just posts trade proposals for crappy LHH with team control. Yup.
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Post by wildsox on Jul 29, 2021 22:59:57 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming. LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ? Votto please
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 23:00:33 GMT -5
He calls the prospects "suspects" and just posts trade proposals for crappy LHH with team control. I would of preferred Raimel Tapia as an OF acquisition, he can steal a base I wish the Sox already had a speedy of on the roster who could steal a base. Where could we find such a guy?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 29, 2021 23:03:19 GMT -5
I think the lower guys have more power to pop they just need more exposure, talking about Perales, Nathael Cruz and Wilkerman but obviously Aldo was further in his process so he is ranked higher but there are few lower level guys with stuff to really pop once they are seen more. Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to know. I know they added De La Rosa from KC. His debut was not good. They also drafted Elmer in the 4th round this year. I know he's quite young. Yes if we gonna get down to it young lower level pitching is a strong group. Obviously a lot will fizzle out but they have numbers.
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