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Post by caliexile on Jul 29, 2021 23:03:44 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming. LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ? Votto?
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 29, 2021 23:06:16 GMT -5
I would of preferred Raimel Tapia as an OF acquisition, he can steal a base I wish the Sox already had a speedy of on the roster who could steal a base. Where could we find such a guy? Tapia is hitting 285 & has 19 stolen bases in the MAJORS, but he’d probably cost more then just Aldo
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 23:10:41 GMT -5
I remember Scott Hatteberg converting from catcher to 1b. He had all winter and a full spring training to learn 1b. Is Schwarber supposed to figure out 1b in 2 weeks? If they stick him at 1b I hope he's not another Dick Stuart. Probably not, but still if he's bad at 1b that would mess up the infield defense. I prefer the defense of Verdugo in lf, duran oy Hernandez in cf and renfroe in rf. Schwarber works out if he can manage 1b. Otherwise they still have a 1b issue. What happend if the Sox want Schwarber to dh if Martinez leaves? How does the mutual option work? Is this a scenario where they only have him for late Aug, Sept and Oct and that's it? Aldo Ramirez is the best lower level pitching lottery ticket they had? That's a low blow. For one thing, we've seen the second coming of Dick Stuart and his name rhymes with flobby flalbec. Also Stuart (and flalbec) never caught -- the two positions for which footwork is most essential are C and 1B; this is why many catchers move to 1B (and why it's also unfair, as others have done, to equate Schwarber's transition from C to LF with a possible transition to 1B. Another point that I think shouldn't be ignored is that a big reason why Schwarber has never played a full game at 1B in his career is that he was teammates for all but the past year with a guy named Anthony Rizzo, who is both a good 1B and has been quite durable over his career. Let's not assume Schwarber has never played 1B because he's bad or ill-equipped to do so. This may be the first time he's ever been asked to don that mitt. LFG! Berrios ftw!
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Post by danr on Jul 29, 2021 23:11:14 GMT -5
He can play first better than Dalbec has, it’s not exactly a high bar Dalbec has been an excellent 1B and has made a number of sensational plays, almost one every game.
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2021 23:12:07 GMT -5
He can play first better than Dalbec has, it’s not exactly a high bar Dalbec has been an excellent 1B and has made a number of sensational plays, almost one every game. Bobby Dalbec??
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 29, 2021 23:12:15 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming. LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ? Why no Arroyo? Schwarber only makes sense if he is the strong side platoon at 1b.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 29, 2021 23:13:13 GMT -5
Love it. Where does schwarber play? Dunno. But he hits. Cost of 1 minor league pitcher? Always (unless it is a no-doubt starter). Vs RHP / LHP LF – Schwarber L CF – Verdugo L RF – Renfroe R 3B – Devers L SS – Bogaerts R 2B – Hernandez R 1B – Cordero L / Dalbec R C – Vazquez R or Plawecki R DH – Martinez R
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 29, 2021 23:15:28 GMT -5
Schwarber's season. Top line is expected and second line is actual. Through June 11.
Vs. RHP .236 / .292 / .452 = .321 xwOBA (152 PA) .212 / .270 / .426 = .299 Vs. LHP
.204 / .387 / .308 = .337 (62 PA) .234 / .403 / .340 = .344
June 12 Onward (all as leadoff hitter except second game of 6/12)
Vs. RHP
.419 / .487 / 1.215 = .673 (57 PA) .388 / .456 / 1.306 = .679
.246 / .319 / .487 = .347 (31 PA) .250 / .323 / .393 = .316
There had to be stories about a change of approach, etc. Someone want to hunt them down?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2021 23:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 23:17:33 GMT -5
Seems to me Verdugo was a lot better in RF last year than he has been in LF this year, though I don't know if that's because he has a better feel for the position or because he's been kind of banged up this year. Maybe he would be OK in right, but Renfroe is terrific defensively, and you need that in Fenway's RF. Renfroe is athletic and has a cannon for an arm but I wouldn't call him "terrific defensively." Just my opinion. Of course, he wouldn't be out there every day if he wasn't their best option. Re: Verdugo, this is his first year as an everyday player and the wear and tear seem to have caught up with him lately. Schwarber should allow them to give Verdugo a few more maintenance days down the stretch.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2021 23:20:08 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming. LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ? Votto please Yeah, maybe this is finally the year he waives his no-trade rights and leaves CIN!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 23:20:31 GMT -5
I wish the Sox already had a speedy of on the roster who could steal a base. Where could we find such a guy? Tapia is hitting 285 & has 19 stolen bases in the MAJORS, but he’d probably cost more then just Aldo no need to give up resources for something the Sox already have. I'll take my chances with Duran. He's faster anyways and costs nothing. Who doesnt hit 285 in Colorado?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2021 23:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2021 23:22:04 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Jul 29, 2021 23:23:59 GMT -5
I have seen nearly every Sox game this year. Renfroe has become one of my favorite players because of his defense. He makes some sensational plays and handles all the routine ones. His arm is amazing.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 29, 2021 23:24:45 GMT -5
Tapia is hitting 285 & has 19 stolen bases in the MAJORS, but he’d probably cost more then just Aldo no need to give up resources for something the Sox already have. I'll take my chances with Duran. He's faster anyways and costs nothing. Who doesnt hit 285 in Colorado? Let’s just we’re both not big fans of the Schwarber acquisition
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2021 23:26:27 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2021 23:28:26 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming. LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ? Why no Arroyo? Schwarber only makes sense if he is the strong side platoon at 1b. Because he managed to get hurt in his 1 attempt. He’s a Brock Holt type. Super utility that you can’t rely on. I wonder if Franchy or Dalbec alone would be enough for CJ Cron? Depends on how bad his groin is. I really just want a competent 1B. If they think Schwarber is the guy, fine. Does he catch anymore?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2021 23:28:32 GMT -5
no need to give up resources for something the Sox already have. I'll take my chances with Duran. He's faster anyways and costs nothing. Who doesnt hit 285 in Colorado? Let’s just we’re both not big fans of the Schwarber acquisition I'm a fan of his offense but not a fan of his defense and unsure of his fit on the team beyond being a needed LH bat to balance the lineup but he is injured and I don't know that he can play a passable 1b. I still think they need a real 1b.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 29, 2021 23:31:17 GMT -5
I know you're busy Eric and its only one game but can you do a full stat analysis of that 1 gm Schwarber played 1B, jk. Well I am off to bed since I was told that Dan character is a hack. Good Night All!
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Post by incandenza on Jul 29, 2021 23:49:11 GMT -5
Well, you knew our luck couldn't last all season - we finally have one of our star players on the IL.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 29, 2021 23:54:57 GMT -5
One thing that's easy to miss is that this is somewhat of a covert endorsement of Franchy over Duran, short-term.
Obviously, they hope Schwarber can play 1B. That gives them an OF choice of Dugie in LF and Duran in CF, or Franchy in LF and Dugie in CF. But if Schwarber has to play LF, that puts Dugie in CF and leaves 1B open for Franchy, and Duran out of the picture.
Now, against LHP, Arroyo is at 2B and Kiké is in CF. How about 1B and LF? And here's where it gets tricky.
I think they have to extend Marwin's rehab into September, by not starting it until after August 11.
If they do that, and they stay with a 3-man bench, that leaves two spots for Franchy, Duran, and Dalbec when and if everyone is healthy (meaning both Schwarber and Arroyo have returned). One guy needs to be optioned for the second half of August. I think Dalbec continues to see PA vs. LHP to see if he can contribute in that role, and they really ought to give Duran some looks. I had Dalbec being optioned briefly if we got Santana, but now Duran seems roughly as likely.
Once 9/1 rolls around, the optioned player can be recalled and Marwin can be activated.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2021 0:05:27 GMT -5
I know you're busy Eric and its only one game but can you do a full stat analysis of that 1 gm Schwarber played 1B, jk. Well I am off to bed since I was told that Dan character is a hack. Good Night All! He has 1 game with 0 innings played. Defensive replacement in the bottom of the 9th or extras, and a no-outs walkoff?
Not quite ... April 7, 2017, Cubs at Brewers, who have the bases loaded with 1 out in the bottom of the 11th. Maddon decides to move Rizzo to LF and Schwarber to 1B! And Mike Montgomery throws an 0-2 walk-off wild pitch.
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Post by cheers on Jul 30, 2021 0:14:15 GMT -5
Why not Arroyo at 2B and Kiké at 1st? Yeah, it wastes Kiké's athleticism, but creates one hell of a lineup - and you can move guys all over the place when you give people the day off.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 30, 2021 0:21:16 GMT -5
So we're clear, this acquisition did not come at no cost. From TradeRumors:
That, for me, is the bottom line for young pitchers. The Nationals knew what they were doing.
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