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danr
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Post by danr on Jun 14, 2013 16:04:23 GMT -5
You are right, of course, but I have to think that some changes are coming all up and down the system. I think only six of this year's draftees are listed on team rosters so far, and all the rosters are full. Probably another dozen or more will have to be accommodated. That would seem to indicate some winnowing out of marginal players is coming all through the system, which also will involve mid-season promotions.
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Post by jchang on Jun 14, 2013 17:12:36 GMT -5
Several of the players at Pawtucket are not prospects but serve as AAA depth, 27-30 years old, below average for MLB, but good enough to have hang around just in case. I do not see a reason that one or two could be sent to AA, if that would help the development of a true prospect. I am thinking both Ranaudo and Britton have enough AA innings that they could be in AAA, especially Britton because he is already on the 40.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 14, 2013 17:16:11 GMT -5
Britton's had 2-3 amazing starts. Otherwise he's been meh, and bound for the pen. Let's see if can sustain this success a few more starts before penciling him in the Pawtucket rotation.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 14, 2013 17:30:09 GMT -5
There are only four legitimate starters of any significant value to redsox in RDLR, Webster, Workman and Aceves. I am pretty sure they can create one more opening at some point soon. Who would it be? I am not sure but I would think Britton just to get the ball rolling on him whether he will stick with Sox or move him out.
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Post by rdsxmbnt on Jun 14, 2013 17:43:26 GMT -5
Could see Aceves taking over Mortenson's role on the MLB roster which would free a AAA rotation slot.
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 14, 2013 17:51:40 GMT -5
Doyle and Wright can both be either traded or released if they have to be, and Aceves can be put in the pen. They will promote him exactly when they feel he is ready. The same goes for Barnes, though in his case he won't be ready for a while. In both cases they aren't going to base his placement on who is ahead of them. The only time that comes in to play, particularly for a pitcher, is with a promotion to the big leagues.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 14, 2013 18:44:34 GMT -5
With all the guys that would be leaving Portland for Pawtucket, causing those pitchers to be bumped out of the Pawtucket rotation, there would be voids in the Portland rotation, so I wonder if guys like Wright and Doyle could be bumped down to Portland to pitch?
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Post by larrycook on Jun 16, 2013 8:52:49 GMT -5
Ranaudo's delivery is smoother this year than in previous years, especially through the hips.
Very interested to see if he starts to tire within the next 30 innings or so. He is starting to show signs of fatigue.
Barnes is leaving meatballs up and hitters are not missing them.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 16, 2013 9:43:26 GMT -5
Ranaudo's delivery is smoother this year than in previous years, especially through the hips. Very interested to see if he starts to tire within the next 30 innings or so. He is starting to show signs of fatigue. Barnes is leaving meatballs up and hitters are not missing them. This is also pretty much Ranaudo's 1st trip through AA, if one doesn't count the little time he spent early last year getting hammered, then being shut down with arm fatigue. Am kind of thinking the Sox may leave him at Portland for the duration this year. Britton was semi effective last year and was there a tad over half of the season. If he maintains pitching as he has could see him getting called up 1st, then if he backslides? Both staying, along with Barnes.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 19, 2013 20:43:47 GMT -5
Keith Law on Ranaudo in a column discussing recent and "Possible near-term call-ups" insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post?id=840Law notes: "I'm stretching a little here to discuss Ranaudo, as it's not clear that he'd be the next pitcher recalled if the Red Sox need another starter."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 30, 2013 14:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by onbase on Jul 1, 2013 6:47:26 GMT -5
Noting the 92-95 for Ranaudo above, and wondering about the consistent 92, occasional 93 I saw yesterday in Manchester. Barnes was consistently at 94 the day before and a few pitches were higher, so it wasn't the radar gun.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 1, 2013 8:00:56 GMT -5
Noting the 92-95 for Ranaudo above, and wondering about the consistent 92, occasional 93 I saw yesterday in Manchester. Barnes was consistently at 94 the day before and a few pitches were higher, so it wasn't the radar gun. True, but from what I heard it was hot, hot, hot with a lot of humidity. Not saying that he shouldn't be expected to pitch in those conditions, but that kind of heat saps the energy from you and might take something off his top end velocity. Also it might be different if you had seen both pitcher with their "A" game, which obviously neither had.
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Post by awall on Jul 1, 2013 8:13:44 GMT -5
maybe it was just me, but everyone on the field just looked kind of sapped yesterday. that said, Ranaudo didn't look like a guy who's going to be at the top of a rotation. it will be interesting to see how he does at Pawtucket.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 25, 2013 15:55:43 GMT -5
Speier and Morrison dipped in to Ranaudo's recent struggles in today's Minor League Roundup, pointing out how in his recent outings his walks have risen dramatically while his strikeout numbers have dipped. Obviously he wasn't going to keep running with that insane ERA he had early in the season, but he seems to have tripped and fallen on his face in the past few weeks. I figured the easiest thing to point to would be innings total and wouldn't you know it, he went from 37 official to 103 this season. I'm not sure what kind of workout/pitching/throwing regimen they had him on last season but that's a big jump and it sure looks statistically like he's wearing down. He looks like a guy that will benefit greatly from skipping a few starts as the season winds down, and less and less like a guy who could help the bullpen late in the season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2013 17:44:34 GMT -5
Good point. Lots of innings. I think a week plus off then a bullpen move makes a ton of sense. Might be able to help the big club.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 2, 2013 13:47:36 GMT -5
Ranaudo promoted to Pawtucket.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 2, 2013 13:49:22 GMT -5
It's all coming together.
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 2, 2013 14:05:08 GMT -5
Ranaudo promoted to Pawtucket. What a rotation! It used to be the prospects were all in A ball.....and we watched a Greenville and a Salem closely. Now this organization is really top heavy in AA and AAA. The competition will be scary good.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 2, 2013 15:05:13 GMT -5
Yessss! Ranaudo one more Buttrey!
I have a theory why they waited till after trade deadline. I just thinking out loud with his recent struggles last year and turnaround this year I believe he was back to being a blue chipper at AA. So even though he was ready to go to AAA , He was a possible chip in a Lee deal and the Sox didnt want to risk potential growing pains by promoting him before the deadline and possibly losing some value. I believe he was in the "A" group reserved for the big deal.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 2, 2013 15:30:48 GMT -5
Congratulations on the callup to Pawtucket. What an outstanding rotation and Britton is even at Boston.. Ranaudo, RDLR, Webster, Workman temporarily. 4 toughies and nice guys for the fans at mcCoy stadium to enjoy, a FAR cry from the bunch of castoffs they generally get to see from year to year.
Wonder when the team is ever going to give up on giving large bonus money to Bill Lee types like Hernandez? If Will's tweet is spot on, he's getting released and it makes sense.. LH junk throwers, with velocity in the mid 80's haven't graduated from the Sox farm system and made more than a dozen starts SINCE Bill Lee.
A colossal waste of draft cash and the pick itself on any of those types.
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Post by jmei on Aug 2, 2013 16:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 2, 2013 17:00:36 GMT -5
Not the promotion I was hoping for today, or yesterday, or the day before. But still nice to see. If you added Barnes I have to think that rotation is better than some major league teams (even if a few of them are inconsistent).
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 2, 2013 17:47:29 GMT -5
Congratulations on the callup to Pawtucket. What an outstanding rotation and Britton is even at Boston.. Ranaudo, RDLR, Webster, Workman temporarily. 4 toughies and nice guys for the fans at mcCoy stadium to enjoy, a FAR cry from the bunch of castoffs they generally get to see from year to year. Wonder when the team is ever going to give up on giving large bonus money to Bill Lee types like Hernandez? If Will's tweet is spot on, he's getting released and it makes sense.. LH junk throwers, with velocity in the mid 80's haven't graduated from the Sox farm system and made more than a dozen starts SINCE Bill Lee. A colossal waste of draft cash and the pick itself on any of those types. Hernandez got a $375K bonus, so it's not like they threw the farm at him. For context, he was the Sox seventh-round pick in 2010. The sixth-rounder, Kendrick Perkins, got $600K, and the eighth-rounder, Mathew Price, got $415K. Considering that Hernandez was very good in Double-A and got to Triple-A within two years of signing, it really wasn't a bad pick or a bad gamble. Also, Will's tweet meant that a press release would follow, not the outright release of Hernandez. Also too, why are you using Bill Lee as a negative? He won 119 games, pitched nearly 2000 innings and had a career ERA+ of 108. There's a solid chance that none of the prospects in the Red Sox system have a career that good.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2013 18:06:11 GMT -5
Congratulations on the callup to Pawtucket. What an outstanding rotation and Britton is even at Boston.. Ranaudo, RDLR, Webster, Workman temporarily. 4 toughies and nice guys for the fans at mcCoy stadium to enjoy, a FAR cry from the bunch of castoffs they generally get to see from year to year. Wonder when the team is ever going to give up on giving large bonus money to Bill Lee types like Hernandez? If Will's tweet is spot on, he's getting released and it makes sense.. LH junk throwers, with velocity in the mid 80's haven't graduated from the Sox farm system and made more than a dozen starts SINCE Bill Lee. A colossal waste of draft cash and the pick itself on any of those types. Hernandez got a $375K bonus, so it's not like they threw the farm at him. For context, he was the Sox seventh-round pick in 2010. The sixth-rounder, Kendrick Perkins, got $600K, and the eighth-rounder, Mathew Price, got $415K. Considering that Hernandez was very good in Double-A and got to Triple-A within two years of signing, it really wasn't a bad pick or a bad gamble. Also, Will's tweet meant that a press release would follow, not the outright release of Hernandez. Also too, why are you using Bill Lee as a negative? He won 119 games, pitched nearly 2000 innings and had a career ERA+ of 108. There's a solid chance that none of the prospects in the Red Sox system have a career that good. And he was a Yankee killer! I'm still mad that Zimmer picked Torrez over Lee in game 163 in 78.
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