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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 15, 2021 14:03:49 GMT -5
Don't blame ERod for being mad about coming out of the game. He's been cruising. I hate this they can't go beyond six innings stuff. Cora must really want to get Ottavino and Barnes (whitlock, perhaps) some work? Agree, this is a game the bullpen absolutely cannot lose. If we win it's water under the bridge and the team will be 6-3 in ERod's last 9 starts. If we lose, there will be a ton of second guessing since it was 6-7-8-9 coming up and ERod was at 83 pitches and cruising.
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:04:57 GMT -5
JFC this umpire
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 15, 2021 14:05:51 GMT -5
This ump Blows
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2021 14:05:51 GMT -5
Looking forward to Schwarber in Yankee Stadium. That sure was some easy power on a super compact swing.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 15, 2021 14:06:03 GMT -5
You keep ERod in if you think it's low leverage. If you think it's high leverage, well you definitely want Ottavino, Whitlock and Barnes pitching instead of Erod the third time through the order.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 15, 2021 14:06:58 GMT -5
How long since the Sox had a lineup as good as today’s??? 2018 works serries game 1 vs LH Betts Benny pierce ]JD Boggy Devers Kinsler Leon Bradley I’d take today’s lineup Kinsler, Leon, and Bradley is pretty weak.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2021 14:07:45 GMT -5
haha, thanks for the makeup call
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 15, 2021 14:09:20 GMT -5
If I was Fernando Abad I would be so raged up right now that the manager would probably want to pull me from the game.
edit: lol and there's the hook
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:09:29 GMT -5
This guy is missing multiple pitches per at-bat
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 15, 2021 14:11:40 GMT -5
This guy is missing multiple pitches per at-bat This ump isn't helping with the umpire bias study, that was atrocious. The Verdugo at bat should be shown at his year-end review (if they even do that).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 15, 2021 14:13:27 GMT -5
You keep ERod in if you think it's low leverage. If you think it's high leverage, well you definitely want Ottavino, Whitlock and Barnes pitching instead of Erod the third time through the order. I know the numbers are against pitchers going through the order a 3rd time. We saw Houck cruise and then fall apart. But at some point a pitcher cruising has to be able to go through an order thrice. If not how do they ever learn how to? Is the idea to only develop 5 inning pitchers? We know ERod has been cruising. Sometimes it's a lift to remove a cruising pitcher (think back to the Yankees when Ottavino came in to relieve Eovaldi or the next day when German was lifted for Loiasaga and the Sox offense exploded.
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
GET OUT THE WAY BLUE
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 15, 2021 14:15:24 GMT -5
I am absolutely fine with ERod being held to 6 innings. We need the pen, the pen needs work, and if indeed ERod is done in this game I am fine with the decision.
Long inning, ERod has been sitting for awhile, and we may be in the process of making the game even Robles-proof.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 15, 2021 14:21:11 GMT -5
You keep ERod in if you think it's low leverage. If you think it's high leverage, well you definitely want Ottavino, Whitlock and Barnes pitching instead of Erod the third time through the order. I know the numbers are against pitchers going through the order a 3rd time. We saw Houck cruise and then fall apart. But at some point a pitcher cruising has to be able to go through an order thrice. If not how do they ever learn how to? Is the idea to only develop 5 inning pitchers? We know ERod has been cruising. Sometimes it's a lift to remove a cruising pitcher (think back to the Yankees when Ottavino came in to relieve Eovaldi or the next day when German was lifted for Loiasaga and the Sox offense exploded. This isn't rocket science. We can probably count on ERod to have an ERA somewhere in the 4s going forward. Those three relievers I'd put at low-mid 3's. 3 is lower than 4. We don't even need to get into the third time through the order penalty. Sometimes the relievers will blow it, but I'd put my money on them blowing it less often.
The benefit of having your starter go deep is that it gives your pen a break. The good relievers don't need a rest today.
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -5
Hell of a play by McKenna. Raffy scorched it
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Post by incandenza on Aug 15, 2021 14:23:49 GMT -5
This game has felt like it was about 6-1 since the first inning and now it finally is.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 15, 2021 14:26:19 GMT -5
can't watch this game, but listening- Joe C and Will F been talking about what a brutal day the umpiring crew is having.
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 15, 2021 14:26:40 GMT -5
This whole ump crew is a clown fiesta
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:28:05 GMT -5
can't watch this game, but listening- Joe C and Will F been talking about what a brutal day the umpiring crew is having. Yeah I’m not sure the last time I remember an entire crew having such a bad game
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:28:31 GMT -5
That was the friendliest mound charge I’ve ever seen
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 15, 2021 14:28:37 GMT -5
I know the numbers are against pitchers going through the order a 3rd time. We saw Houck cruise and then fall apart. But at some point a pitcher cruising has to be able to go through an order thrice. If not how do they ever learn how to? Is the idea to only develop 5 inning pitchers? We know ERod has been cruising. Sometimes it's a lift to remove a cruising pitcher (think back to the Yankees when Ottavino came in to relieve Eovaldi or the next day when German was lifted for Loiasaga and the Sox offense exploded. This isn't rocket science. We can probably count on ERod to have an ERA somewhere in the 4s going forward. Those three relievers I'd put at low-mid 3's. 3 is lower than 4. We don't even need to get into the third time through the order penalty. Sometimes the relievers will blow it, but I'd put my money on them blowing it less often. The benefit of having your starter go deep is that it gives your pen a break. The good relievers don't need a rest today.
I feel like it's more than the basic math that you are suggesting. Your expected 4 ERA for ERod isn't factoring in the condition that ERod is cruising. We know what we're getting from ERod today, we don't know what we're getting from the pen. So there's a lot of variance around getting 3 relievers (or more) to combine for the 3 ERA that you're expecting, whereas putting ERod back out with a quick hook likely doesn't have much variance. But anyways, it's moot because I would have pulled ERod now that it's 6-1 instead of 3-1.
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 14:29:50 GMT -5
Ottavino is all over the place
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 15, 2021 14:30:19 GMT -5
Well, it seems like Ottavino has nothing - doing what Sawamura did the other day.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 15, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5
can't watch this game, but listening- Joe C and Will F been talking about what a brutal day the umpiring crew is having. That is accurate...calling balls, strikes... calling strikes, balls...calling fouls, fair. Not pitches on the paint that can go either way but rather 6 inches.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 15, 2021 14:31:46 GMT -5
lol @ Devers inspecting Severino's bean ball injury
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