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Post by jaffinator on Jun 22, 2022 18:18:42 GMT -5
I'd be real curious to see what Graham's whiff numbers were against breaking balls while we're on the subject. Just watching, he's not always looked great there either.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 22, 2022 21:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 22, 2022 23:44:19 GMT -5
According to them he averaged 97.6 mph with his FB.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jun 23, 2022 7:28:37 GMT -5
The MLB Pipeline podcast had an interesting note that players who attended the combine and took a physical ensured that they the lowest they could sign for is 75% of slot value, college seniors included.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jun 23, 2022 8:22:06 GMT -5
The MLB Pipeline podcast had an interesting note that players who attended the combine and took a physical ensured that they the lowest they could sign for is 75% of slot value, college seniors included. So if they attend the combine they're guaranteed a lower limit for their bonus? By who? The MLB? |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 23, 2022 8:25:36 GMT -5
The MLB Pipeline podcast had an interesting note that players who attended the combine and took a physical ensured that they the lowest they could sign for is 75% of slot value, college seniors included. So if they attend the combine they're guaranteed a lower limit for their bonus? By who? The MLB? It's per the new CBA. It also reinstates "Draft and Follow" for after the 10th round, which was one of the greatest usernames in the history of SP imo. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2022 8:34:06 GMT -5
The MLB Pipeline podcast had an interesting note that players who attended the combine and took a physical ensured that they the lowest they could sign for is 75% of slot value, college seniors included. So if they attend the combine they're guaranteed a lower limit for their bonus? By who? The MLB? |
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Post by jaffinator on Jun 23, 2022 16:14:42 GMT -5
A fair number of the true money saving guys aren't necessarily top 300 prospects and so wouldn't be eligible. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 23, 2022 17:06:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure most College seniors skipped the combine or weren’t even invited.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jun 23, 2022 18:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 23, 2022 19:53:44 GMT -5
Interesting thanks for that list.
I counted 17 classified as college Seniors the highest ranked being Ivan Melendez and Ben Joyce wonder if they did the physical part which is also part of the equation. We’ll see how it affects where they get picked.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 24, 2022 7:47:14 GMT -5
According to them he averaged 97.6 mph with his FB. He'll probably average 91 mph his next start. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 24, 2022 9:55:48 GMT -5
Sign me up, if he gets to us. Normally I would always prefer a positional player in the first round (maybe because I still have a Trey Ball hang-over). Kumar may eventually have Tommy John, but few guys like this grow on trees.
I remember going to Port Charlotte to see Trey Ball debut. There were 3 or 4 cars from Indiana in the parking lot. Immediately I was NOT blown away! In the GCL (FCL), 1st impressions are often wrong, but nothing screamed outstanding and I drove home somewhat worried. I had wanted Frasier or Meadows that year. We still had the chance when we came up for Meadows. Oh the pain!
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 24, 2022 12:00:57 GMT -5
IIRC, Mlbpipeline said it wasn't just the elbow, but the shoulder as well. So ya he may have TJ, but could have other issues as well. Doubt he makes it to 41, but that's where I'd feel a lot better taking him
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 24, 2022 12:19:56 GMT -5
According to them he averaged 97.6 mph with his FB. He'll probably average 91 mph his next start. Why? He has kept his velocity in all his starts so far. |
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 25, 2022 17:55:41 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on Jun 25, 2022 19:10:10 GMT -5
The article is from last May, no? |
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 25, 2022 23:49:54 GMT -5
The article is from last May, no? Absolutely. A good couple months before the Mets decided to bail based on his physical. His improved velocity has come across 15 innings across 4 starts in an environment (independent ball) entirely controlled by his agent and after 12 months of rest, correct? My original comment wasn’t meant to be combative, just a comment that the dude has a long history of getting people really excited about his fastball then going extended periods of having diminished velocity. He’s a weird guy to assign value/health…his slider looks consistently filthy, but I watched him 4-5 times and never thought his curve/change looked as good as the grades I saw…but again, like the fastball, I’m guessing they flash. |
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Post by borisman on Jun 26, 2022 10:14:38 GMT -5
The article is from last May, no? Absolutely. A good couple months before the Mets decided to bail based on his physical. His improved velocity has come across 15 innings across 4 starts in an environment (independent ball) entirely controlled by his agent and after 12 months of rest, correct? My original comment wasn’t meant to be combative, just a comment that the dude has a long history of getting people really excited about his fastball then going extended periods of having diminished velocity. He’s a weird guy to assign value/health…his slider looks consistently filthy, but I watched him 4-5 times and never thought his curve/change looked as good as the grades I saw…but again, like the fastball, I’m guessing they flash. Ok, just making sure you weren't referencing any of this velocity drops in his current stop. He has filthy stuff. We know that. The issue is not only his elbow but reported shoulder issue as well. If it was just the elbow I would be ok with TJ when necessary. The Sox went through a few of these in recent years. It would be worth it if it was just the elbow. Not sure I'd pay the price tag Mets offered though. If he takes less then it may be worth it. He has 2 plus pitches and good third one (if his changeup ever develops, watch out) so he's definitely starter material. I also think his agent is a dbag so it will be hard to sign him for less than $4M+. On another note, if he doesn't sign again this year, what is his draft status moving forward? |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 26, 2022 10:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 26, 2022 11:14:09 GMT -5
Sign me up, if he gets to us. Normally I would always prefer a positional player in the first round (maybe because I still have a Trey Ball hang-over). Kumar may eventually have Tommy John, but few guys like this grow on trees. I remember going to Port Charlotte to see Trey Ball debut. There were 3 or 4 cars from Indiana in the parking lot. Immediately I was NOT blown away! In the GCL (FCL), 1st impressions are often wrong, but nothing screamed outstanding and I drove home somewhat worried. I had wanted Frasier or Meadows that year. We still had the chance when we came up for Meadows. Oh the pain! Meadows is a lousy-fielding platoon guy with 6 career fWAR. Not worth the pain. He's had one big year (2019) and not much else.
2013 was a really bad draft class in general, so whiffing on Ball didn't really mean much in retrospect. The "what might have beens" are few and far between.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 26, 2022 11:39:49 GMT -5
I mentioned this a few weeks back and it was mentioned that if you're a team picking in the 20's and looking hitter then a College OF would probably be the pick. Anything can happen but judging by the rankings/mocks then there could be 6-8 of them picked in the back of the 1st/comp round. That said, to take Jones with players like Lesko and Brock Porter on the board would probably annoy me a bit Brock Jones he’ll no. I will start a riot in this mother father. Dude, you need to upgrade yer speech-to-text software... |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 26, 2022 11:50:27 GMT -5
I went back through this thread and the last 10 mock drafts have us taking a college OF. I quit after 10, maybe it goes back further. Gotta say it's kinda funny to see this consensus developing based on what I assume is literally nothing at all. ^This is hilarious.
It's also hilarious to try to guess what Chaim's "tendency" is. He's run two drafts so far and picked prep IF both times, so... college OF?
I like the Snelling kid from Reno. Big, athletic LHP. Also starred at QB and LB (was set to play both sports at Arizona but switched to baseball-only commitment at LSU) and has an attack mentality on the mound. LFG!!
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Post by taiwansox on Jun 26, 2022 12:22:10 GMT -5
The article is from last May, no? Absolutely. A good couple months before the Mets decided to bail based on his physical. His improved velocity has come across 15 innings across 4 starts in an environment (independent ball) entirely controlled by his agent and after 12 months of rest, correct? My original comment wasn’t meant to be combative, just a comment that the dude has a long history of getting people really excited about his fastball then going extended periods of having diminished velocity. He’s a weird guy to assign value/health…his slider looks consistently filthy, but I watched him 4-5 times and never thought his curve/change looked as good as the grades I saw…but again, like the fastball, I’m guessing they flash. Reminds me of Mike Rozier 15 years ago. I believe he was also a Boras client and he never showed anything as a pro |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 26, 2022 12:23:43 GMT -5
Is we stay with a high school infielder in this draft, Jett Williams should interest us given the expected hit tool.
But some people are predicting he will be off the board by 24.
So maybe we look at toman at either 24 or 41. Hit tool grades at 55, son of a coach, switch hitter. Defensively, he is a bit nebulous, but I’m sure they can figure that out.
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